SNASM drivers - SCSI controleur for PCMCIA A1200

Tony Landais · 10 April 2003, 21:08

I have a SCSI controleur for A600 A1200.
the SNASM created by Cross products in 1993.
The serial is 0043 so it must be a bit rare and as usual I haven't the drivers.

Is anybody could help me to find them ?

IFW · 11 April 2003, 00:59

It is not a scsi controller... it is an sw downloader module for a600/a1200s without expansion bus.
It was being used for the SnAsm development system and hence you won't find any drivers for it, unless from a licensed developer with the same type of downloader.
You might try contacting Cross Products, or if you really work at Team 17, search your archives for the correct package - it is unlikely to be out on the net, being completely unusable without the downloader cartridge.

Galahad/FLT · 11 April 2003, 12:13

Didn't use any kind of development system, they coded directly on the intended machine.

SNASM was extensively used by Arc Developments, Tiertex, and lots of other British developers who did Atari ST and Amiga conversions.

More than likely now, most developers have junked their old SNASM systems, I don't hold out much hope for you.

IFW · 11 April 2003, 12:34

Someone finding a snasm downloader in the junkyard of team 17 is a good sign of the company using snasm, which makes sense for rapid development -> less work hours -> less development cost.
It has nothing to do with developing ST titles or not, most 16 bit games however shared common codebase, minus sound ang gfx, so it made sense especially for companies doing other platforms as well.
It is no different to programming directly on the machine, just much more efficient if you can afford it...
Snasm is a cross compiler (assembly that time) running on a pc having complete control over the amiga cpu including step by step running through hardware cpu halt.
I used to have one (with a500+ specific downloader) while in England so I now for sure

Tony Landais · 11 April 2003, 12:43

I didn t find it at team17 but in a bundle from Ebay germany... probably from a coder.

thanks for help

IFW · 11 April 2003, 12:47

Damn, I wish I could find someone throwing away an a1200 downloader module... Aaaargh.

Galahad/FLT · 11 April 2003, 12:49

Told you..... at some point you may want to ask how I know about Team 17

IFW · 11 April 2003, 13:03

So? Let me guess: you sneaked into their office and stole their latest betas...? Or better some unhappy underpaid miserable guy leaked all their latest developments to you

Tony Landais · 11 April 2003, 13:08

Well if you are like me and you don't know what is it

It s easy to drop off a simple scsi controleur without drivers

Galahad, you seems to know very well team17

IFW · 11 April 2003, 13:14

The only thing it is good for is programming hw hitting games, so if you are into graphics or sound it is not much of use.
... And of course you do need the pc software compiler/downloader/debugger that controls it.

Later Cross Products split up, one team doing a system called Psy-Q or something similar, anyone used it?
I have only seen it at ects when it was presented in a very small booth, probably at a very wrong time, when many miggy developers started to look into console development...

Galahad/FLT · 11 April 2003, 14:56

Quote:

Originally posted by IFW
So? Let me guess: you sneaked into their office and stole their latest betas...? Or better some unhappy underpaid miserable guy leaked all their latest developments to you

My past wasn't always so illegal

I did actually help on one game and write another, one was for Team 17

Tony Landais · 11 April 2003, 14:57

hehe witch one if it s not to ask too much

Galahad/FLT · 11 April 2003, 15:15

not a hugely good idea for me to continue this conversation to be honest.... I WAS a cracker for Fairlight, and I may/may not have done a couple of Team 17 games. Sure they'd be glad to hear that

Think I will abort this thread now

Tony Landais · 11 April 2003, 15:26

Lol
nobody will put you in jail

And to be honest, in a world without piracy, bill gate would not be the richest man of the world and video games market would not make more money than movie industry.

There are rich now because you

Galahad/FLT · 11 April 2003, 15:30

Not so sure Martyn, Rico, Andreas, Mr. Bagguely et all, would agree with you!

qwak · 20 November 2009, 02:26

C'mon, spill the beans Galahad.. Did you do the asteroids type game?

I think I have a snasm Amiga dev-kit hidden away somewhere, and some disks for it.

cosmicfrog · 20 November 2009, 02:56

crumbs that was 6 years ago, Have you changed your mind Galahad ? and now ready to tell all hehehehe

Galahad/FLT · 20 November 2009, 09:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwak

C'mon, spill the beans Galahad.. Did you do the asteroids type game?

I think I have a snasm Amiga dev-kit hidden away somewhere, and some disks for it.

No, Stardust had nothing to do with me.

The very undersold The Speris Legacy I was involved with.

cosmicfrog · 20 November 2009, 12:42

cool thanks for the info Galahad

sad too say about the time of Speris Legacy I wasn`t doing much computer stuff, never mind amiga stuff

Galahad/FLT · 20 November 2009, 13:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by cosmicfrog

cool thanks for the info Galahad

sad too say about the time of Speris Legacy I wasn`t doing much computer stuff, never mind amiga stuff

Damn you, YOU are the reason we didn't sell enough copies!!!!!!!

10 April 2003, 21:08	#1
Tony Landais Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: uk Posts: 426	SNASM drivers - SCSI controleur for PCMCIA A1200 I have a SCSI controleur for A600 A1200. the SNASM created by Cross products in 1993. The serial is 0043 so it must be a bit rare and as usual I haven't the drivers. Is anybody could help me to find them ? Attached Thumbnails

11 April 2003, 12:13	#3
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,986	Team 17 Didn't use any kind of development system, they coded directly on the intended machine. SNASM was extensively used by Arc Developments, Tiertex, and lots of other British developers who did Atari ST and Amiga conversions. More than likely now, most developers have junked their old SNASM systems, I don't hold out much hope for you.

11 April 2003, 12:49	#7
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,986	Told you so! Told you..... at some point you may want to ask how I know about Team 17

11 April 2003, 15:15	#13
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,986	Possibly not a hugely good idea for me to continue this conversation to be honest.... I WAS a cracker for Fairlight, and I may/may not have done a couple of Team 17 games. Sure they'd be glad to hear that Think I will abort this thread now

11 April 2003, 15:30	#15
Galahad/FLT Going nowhere Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: United Kingdom Age: 50 Posts: 8,986	... Not so sure Martyn, Rico, Andreas, Mr. Bagguely et all, would agree with you!

11 April 2003, 00:59	#2
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	It is not a scsi controller... it is an sw downloader module for a600/a1200s without expansion bus. It was being used for the SnAsm development system and hence you won't find any drivers for it, unless from a licensed developer with the same type of downloader. You might try contacting Cross Products, or if you really work at Team 17, search your archives for the correct package - it is unlikely to be out on the net, being completely unusable without the downloader cartridge.

11 April 2003, 12:34	#4
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	Someone finding a snasm downloader in the junkyard of team 17 is a good sign of the company using snasm, which makes sense for rapid development -> less work hours -> less development cost. It has nothing to do with developing ST titles or not, most 16 bit games however shared common codebase, minus sound ang gfx, so it made sense especially for companies doing other platforms as well. It is no different to programming directly on the machine, just much more efficient if you can afford it... Snasm is a cross compiler (assembly that time) running on a pc having complete control over the amiga cpu including step by step running through hardware cpu halt. I used to have one (with a500+ specific downloader) while in England so I now for sure

11 April 2003, 12:43	#5
Tony Landais Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: uk Posts: 426	I didn t find it at team17 but in a bundle from Ebay germany... probably from a coder. thanks for help

11 April 2003, 12:47	#6
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	Damn, I wish I could find someone throwing away an a1200 downloader module... Aaaargh.

11 April 2003, 13:03	#8
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	So? Let me guess: you sneaked into their office and stole their latest betas...? Or better some unhappy underpaid miserable guy leaked all their latest developments to you

11 April 2003, 13:08	#9
Tony Landais Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: uk Posts: 426	Well if you are like me and you don't know what is it It s easy to drop off a simple scsi controleur without drivers Galahad, you seems to know very well team17

11 April 2003, 13:14	#10
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	The only thing it is good for is programming hw hitting games, so if you are into graphics or sound it is not much of use. ... And of course you do need the pc software compiler/downloader/debugger that controls it. Later Cross Products split up, one team doing a system called Psy-Q or something similar, anyone used it? I have only seen it at ects when it was presented in a very small booth, probably at a very wrong time, when many miggy developers started to look into console development...

11 April 2003, 14:57	#12
Tony Landais Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: uk Posts: 426	hehe witch one if it s not to ask too much

11 April 2003, 15:26	#14
Tony Landais Zone Friend Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: uk Posts: 426	Lol nobody will put you in jail And to be honest, in a world without piracy, bill gate would not be the richest man of the world and video games market would not make more money than movie industry. There are rich now because you

20 November 2009, 02:26	#16
qwak Game Developer Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: UK Posts: 78	C'mon, spill the beans Galahad.. Did you do the asteroids type game? I think I have a snasm Amiga dev-kit hidden away somewhere, and some disks for it.

20 November 2009, 02:56	#17
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 56 Posts: 3,557	crumbs that was 6 years ago, Have you changed your mind Galahad ? and now ready to tell all hehehehe

20 November 2009, 12:42	#19
cosmicfrog The 1 who ribbits Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: leek, Staffs, UK Age: 56 Posts: 3,557	cool thanks for the info Galahad sad too say about the time of Speris Legacy I wasn`t doing much computer stuff, never mind amiga stuff

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