Ghosts 'N Goblins - 100% perfect disk version

[B14ck W01f]

Originally Posted by DamienD

@Galahad; we haven't seen your Ghosts 'N Goblins regular AmigaDos format .ADF appear anywhere as yet...

I presume that means you are working on a nice cracktro and more importantly a full option trainer to wow us all?

...or maybe fixing the game up is just too difficult for him.

[dlfrsilver]

Originally Posted by B14ck W01f

...or maybe fixing the game up is just too difficult for him.

Well i know him personally, he is simply real life busy.

[Amiga1992]

I played Ghosts n Goblins for the first time yesterday. It's crazy how good of a conversion it is compared to Ghouls N Ghosts which plays like a shitty Amstrad game (sorry Denis :P).

The added thingies on the WHDLoad version like the ability to turn in the air make it quite perfect! I am sure any fellow cracker can add these features to the disk version and make it real cool. JOTD did teh WHD one so he might be the man for the job to making a floppy version.

Why weren't more arcade conversions done right like this? I have noticed a few games using that kind of vertical-ish screen format too, it's quite good for certain 80s coinop conversions!

[dlfrsilver]

Originally Posted by Akira

I played Ghosts n Goblins for the first time yesterday. It's crazy how good of a conversion it is compared to Ghouls N Ghosts which plays like a shitty Amstrad game (sorry Denis :P).

Well, a lot of games were basically 8 bits games with a 16 bits low res graphics. Ghouls'n'Ghosts is one of them.

It's the not tied to the game itself, but to the coder ability, and we all know the nasty feats U.S.Gold was able to lol!

The added thingies on the WHDLoad version like the ability to turn in the air make it quite perfect! I am sure any fellow cracker can add these features to the disk version and make it real cool. JOTD did teh WHD one so he might be the man for the job to making a floppy version.

CFOU did the GNG whdload patch.

Why weren't more arcade conversions done right like this? I have noticed a few games using that kind of vertical-ish screen format too, it's quite good for certain 80s coinop conversions!

Why ? Ok let me explain then : because you need to extract all the tiles from the arcade roms, and this can be a complicated engineering process.
Back in the day, only the best engineers could do that. The others were mimicking the coin-op they were converting.

The amiga coder, Rich Frankish got access to the game tiles. That's why they are so arcade faithfull. The game was also an amiga first (the ST version was done a bit later).

[Amiga1992]

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

CFOU did the GNG whdload patch.

Woops! I got it wrong, sorry! Then we need to count on someone else as CFOU is MIA.

Why ? Ok let me explain then

Yeah that makes sense, I heard of this. But that didn't explain why that kind of screen format was used. The only other game I can think of right now that uses it is Dynablaster.

[musashi9]

http://www.flashtro.com/index.php?e=...aHTML5&id=4221

[Superman]

Excellent work as usual Musashi9.

[Retro1234]

I dont know what anyone else thinks but I thought some of the a.I in the cracks seems different to the ipf like the Red Devils seemed to move a bit different.

[dlfrsilver]

Originally Posted by musashi9

http://www.flashtro.com/index.php?e=...aHTML5&id=4221

Merci Musashi9 for the credits

[Sandro]

Originally Posted by musashi9

http://www.flashtro.com/index.php?e=...aHTML5&id=4221

thanks for this but it doesn't works very fine

there are pauses during game and when you activate the jump+turn I find that in the 1st level the snakes trow their bullets touching the ground which is not as it should be :check this please

can you add 2nd button joystick support ?

[demoniac]

Originally Posted by musashi9

http://www.flashtro.com/index.php?e=...aHTML5&id=4221

This is great, but why does DamienD think that there are no 100% cracks of this game? The crack by Defjam/CCS/Accumulators has a +7 trainer that works till the end.

[DrBong]

Originally Posted by musashi9

http://www.flashtro.com/index.php?e=...aHTML5&id=4221

Originally Posted by Sandro

thanks for this but it doesn't works very fine

there are pauses during game and when you activate the jump+turn I find that in the 1st level the snakes trow their bullets touching the ground which is not as it should be :check this please

Is Musashi's release simply a disk crack + trainer, or is it supposed to be fixed for higher CPUs also? If it's just a disk crack, then that would explain the pauses. Fixing Ghosts 'n' Goblins is no trivial task as even the WHD patchers had trouble.

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=60335

Can anyone tell me if CFOU's WHD patch eliminates the pauses 100%? For that matter, did Jeff ever manage it with his JST patch?

[B14ck W01f]

Amazing work, musashi, amazing.

You can even expect even before you download what sort of cracktro you can expect to see. This is certainly a refreshing change from the bad cracks that obviously lack sound effects.

Originally Posted by Sandro

thanks for this but it doesn't works very fine

there are pauses during game and when you activate the jump+turn I find that in the 1st level the snakes trow their bullets touching the ground which is not as it should be :check this please

Why would anyone use this "jump+turn" feature when this feature is not even present in the original coin-op?

[Sandro]

Originally Posted by B14ck W01f

Why would anyone use this "jump+turn" feature when this feature is not even present in the original coin-op?

it seems you never played the original arcade because have this feature otherwise you can't beat the big demons

[Sandro]

Originally Posted by DrBong

Is Musashi's release simply a disk crack + trainer, or is it supposed to be fixed for higher CPUs also? If it's just a disk crack, then that would explain the pauses. Fixing Ghosts 'n' Goblins is no trivial task as even the WHD patchers had trouble.

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=60335

Can anyone tell me if CFOU's WHD patch eliminates the pauses 100%? For that matter, did Jeff ever manage it with his JST patch?

of course the pauses are fixed in the whdload CFOU release, such release is perfect

[Superman]

Speaking of Ghost N Goblins I just dug out my old cracked copy from years ago and it seems to be a version that isn't in TOSEC. It's a Paradox crack but it also has a cracktro from The Dual Crew saying its "100%". It has no trainer options on it but I did write on my disk that entering your name as )!( on the score board gives you invunerability which does actually work when you restart.

It does still have that message about the last 2 levels being broken but I have not tested it.

I will attach it here if anyone wants to look as I have made an ADF.

[B14ck W01f]

Originally Posted by Superman

Speaking of Ghost N Goblins I just dug out my old cracked copy from years ago and it seems to be a version that isn't in TOSEC. It's a Paradox crack but it also has a cracktro from The Dual Crew saying its "100%". It has no trainer options on it but I did write on my disk that entering your name as )!( on the score board gives you invunerability which does actually work when you restart.

It does still have that message about the last 2 levels being broken but I have not tested it.

Then it's not 100%. You see, back in the day crackers like Paradox were notorious for not testing their cracks. What's worse with the Paradox crack is that they blamed Elite for the glitch in the graphics.

[WayneK]

That's because there were a bad batch of originals that had corrupted data for the last 2 levels (level 5 + 6) - presumably PDX got one (or more) of these copies to work from.

[DrBong]

Originally Posted by DrBong

Can anyone tell me if CFOU's WHD patch eliminates the pauses 100%? For that matter, did Jeff ever manage it with his JST patch?

Originally Posted by Sandro

of course the pauses are fixed in the whdload CFOU release, such release is perfect

Well, I originally supplied Ghosts 'n' Goblins to Codetapper for WHD patching some years back and he had troubles resolving the random slowdowns or pauses. I remember CFOU taking over the patch, but didn't know if he had sorted out the bug 100% (I was crazy busy in 2013 and never did test his patch). The bug was quite perplexing as it was truly random and could not be reproduced at the same points in any one game on a particular Amiga config. Even from game to game the slowdowns were often vastly different, and sometimes the bug wouldn't appear at all until the later levels. That's why I asked.

Anyway, from what I read in this thread, it sounds like Bertrand did a great job in trying to cover all the bases with the final patch! It also seems that Jeff's JST patch was for a pre-release crack of the game, so it probably doesn't matter too much if it has the same problem or not.

Originally Posted by B14ck W01f

Then it's not 100%. You see, back in the day crackers like Paradox were notorious for not testing their cracks. What's worse with the Paradox crack is that they blamed Elite for the glitch in the graphics.

Originally Posted by WayneK

That's because there were a bad batch of originals that had corrupted data for the last 2 levels (level 5 + 6) - presumably PDX got one (or more) of these copies to work from.

Yeh, what WayneK said and what Denis said in post #3.

Originally Posted by B14ck W01f

Why would anyone use this "jump+turn" feature when this feature is not even present in the original coin-op?

The link that Denis gave in post #3 would've led you to a really interesting thread that, among other things, talked about the "jump+turn" feature in the coin-op too.....

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=54410&page=3
http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=692269&postcount=45

[Sandro]

Originally Posted by DrBong

Well, I originally supplied Ghosts 'n' Goblins to Codetapper for WHD patching some years back and he had troubles resolving the random slowdowns or pauses. I remember CFOU taking over the patch, but didn't know if he had sorted out the bug 100% (I was crazy busy in 2013 and never did test his patch). The bug was quite perplexing as it was truly random and could not be reproduced at the same points in any one game on a particular Amiga config. Even from game to game the slowdowns were often vastly different, and sometimes the bug wouldn't appear at all until the later levels. That's why I asked.

Anyway, from what I read in this thread, it sounds like Bertrand did a great job in trying to cover all the bases with the final patch! It also seems that Jeff's JST patch was for a pre-release crack of the game, so it probably doesn't matter too much if it has the same problem or not.

which difference is between the version you supplied to codetapper and the one by dlfrsilver?

it seems the pauses bug is related to the game running on the A1200 o related to the a 020+ because it doesn't appear when playing it on a plain A500