Would I benefit from 3.1.4 ROM?

CDTV1991 · 28 June 2019, 14:13

I have an A1200, with a ACA1230-28 accelerator with 64mb RAM, 8GB card HDD and a 1081 CRT monitor.

I have ClassicWB (Full) running on an 8GB CF card.

I use it mainly for WHDload games, watching demos and generally just fiddling with Workbench, DPaint, Octamed and other bits for nostalgia purposes, no real application work. No interest in network or online stuff on the Amiga.

The machine has 3.0 ROM as standard. The Accelerator can map a ROM file, but I don't use that function.

Would I see any benefit at all by using 3.1.4 ROM based on my uses and the fact that the HDD is already set up and working?

cloverskull · 28 June 2019, 14:18

If you have things working well, I see no real benefit.

Predseda · 28 June 2019, 14:35

Overscan windows is a nice feature.

Daedalus · 28 June 2019, 17:13

Yeah, if you have a system already set up and working, the benefits will be relatively minor I guess. Personally though, some of the small improvements are quite important to me. There are lots of small improvements in Workbench that were carried over from 3.9, such as new keyboard shortcuts, new sorting options, cancel option for lengthy file operations, an ARexx port and so on. And the new Intuition feature for dragging windows out of the screen is nice too.

Of course, if you were to set up another drive from scratch, the built-in >4GB support is a big bonus.

nogginthenog · 28 June 2019, 19:23

I like the idea of supporting the development of classic Amiga software in 2019. Hopefully this will continue.

As for overscan windows, I think Thor released the improved layers.library on Aminet some years ago.

Thomas Richter · 28 June 2019, 19:52

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Originally Posted by nogginthenog

As for overscan windows, I think Thor released the improved layers.library on Aminet some years ago.

While layers V45 is certainly necessary for out-of-screen dragging, it is not sufficient. Intuition also has to use the feature.

spudje · 28 June 2019, 20:47

I migrated one of my A1200s from ClassicWB 3.9 to a 3.1.4 ROMed system with this http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...ight=classicwb and I must say it feels a bit less sluggish than the 3.9 install. But apart from that there is no real reason to switch, or you have to be very curious

Mark sealey · 29 June 2019, 14:15

I used 3.1 on my A600 furia for a long time....Then upgraded to 3.1.4....there is a speed increase....more software works....i even use Shadowrom now....Could never get it to work with 3.1.

For me 3.1.4 was like a magic wand....well worth it...even more so if you burn a Rom.

CDTV1991 · 29 June 2019, 20:02

Thanks for the advice, very helpful.

There's a fair bit I don't fully understand about ROM versions and workbench versions. It seemed to make sense back in the day, when you had a set of workbench disks to match the version of the ROM that the computer came with.

I understand that 3.1.4 is a version of the ROM, which is on chips, but do you need a 3.1.4 version of workbench to make use of any of the updated functionality?

Would a 3.1.4 ROM without a version of workbench just not do anything or would another version of workbench just not work

In my original Amiga days I just had 2.04 on an A500+ then 3.0 on my A1200 and the workbench that was used just matched those versions.

indigolemon · 29 June 2019, 21:51

If you buy 3.1.4 you get both, a ROM and the matching OS disks - it's a complete package. Essentially both are part of the operating system, it's just that some components are in ROM rather than loaded from disk (and are thus available from power on).

Historically, the only time that there was disparity was with the release of 3.5 and 3.9. These needed you to have the 3.1 ROM and then they patched in updated system components in memory as the machine booted, stealing some of your RAM but providing updated functionality.

derSammler · 10 July 2019, 12:20

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Originally Posted by indigolemon

Historically, the only time that there was disparity was with the release of 3.5 and 3.9.

Actually, there were many more times. Workbench 3.1 worked with 3.0 ROMs, as Kickstart 3.1 was not released yet when Workbench 3.1 came out.

Kickstart 1.4 / V35 with Hedley/A2024 monitor support only existed in the form of newer modules loaded at run-time (like with 3.1.4 if you don't install the 3.1.4 ROM).

And then there was Workbench 2.1, which had no corresponding Kickstart. That being said, all 2.x subversions did not require or often not even had parity between ROM and Workbench. The number of versions in which Kickstart and ROM must match is actually easier to count.

Puggsy · 10 July 2019, 16:54

No benefit.

TjLaZer · 10 July 2019, 21:42

Just get Kickstart 3.1 ROMs to use with your classic WB. It has more features.

28 June 2019, 14:13	#1
CDTV1991 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Wales Posts: 279	Would I benefit from 3.1.4 ROM? I have an A1200, with a ACA1230-28 accelerator with 64mb RAM, 8GB card HDD and a 1081 CRT monitor. I have ClassicWB (Full) running on an 8GB CF card. I use it mainly for WHDload games, watching demos and generally just fiddling with Workbench, DPaint, Octamed and other bits for nostalgia purposes, no real application work. No interest in network or online stuff on the Amiga. The machine has 3.0 ROM as standard. The Accelerator can map a ROM file, but I don't use that function. Would I see any benefit at all by using 3.1.4 ROM based on my uses and the fact that the HDD is already set up and working?

10 July 2019, 21:42	#13
TjLaZer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Tacoma, WA USA Age: 52 Posts: 1,915	Would I benefit from 3.1.4 ROM? Just get Kickstart 3.1 ROMs to use with your classic WB. It has more features.

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28 June 2019, 14:18	#2
cloverskull Registered User Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: California Posts: 321	If you have things working well, I see no real benefit.

28 June 2019, 14:35	#3
Predseda Puttymoon inhabitant Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Tromaville Age: 46 Posts: 7,535	Overscan windows is a nice feature.

28 June 2019, 17:13	#4
Daedalus Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Dublin, then Glasgow Posts: 6,334	Yeah, if you have a system already set up and working, the benefits will be relatively minor I guess. Personally though, some of the small improvements are quite important to me. There are lots of small improvements in Workbench that were carried over from 3.9, such as new keyboard shortcuts, new sorting options, cancel option for lengthy file operations, an ARexx port and so on. And the new Intuition feature for dragging windows out of the screen is nice too. Of course, if you were to set up another drive from scratch, the built-in >4GB support is a big bonus.

28 June 2019, 19:23	#5
nogginthenog Amigan Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: London Posts: 1,309	I like the idea of supporting the development of classic Amiga software in 2019. Hopefully this will continue. As for overscan windows, I think Thor released the improved layers.library on Aminet some years ago.

28 June 2019, 20:47	#7
spudje Registered User Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Netherlands Posts: 1,406	I migrated one of my A1200s from ClassicWB 3.9 to a 3.1.4 ROMed system with this http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...ight=classicwb and I must say it feels a bit less sluggish than the 3.9 install. But apart from that there is no real reason to switch, or you have to be very curious

29 June 2019, 14:15	#8
Mark sealey Registered User Join Date: Sep 2018 Location: Nottingham Posts: 340	I used 3.1 on my A600 furia for a long time....Then upgraded to 3.1.4....there is a speed increase....more software works....i even use Shadowrom now....Could never get it to work with 3.1. For me 3.1.4 was like a magic wand....well worth it...even more so if you burn a Rom.

29 June 2019, 20:02	#9
CDTV1991 Registered User Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Wales Posts: 279	Thanks for the advice, very helpful. There's a fair bit I don't fully understand about ROM versions and workbench versions. It seemed to make sense back in the day, when you had a set of workbench disks to match the version of the ROM that the computer came with. I understand that 3.1.4 is a version of the ROM, which is on chips, but do you need a 3.1.4 version of workbench to make use of any of the updated functionality? Would a 3.1.4 ROM without a version of workbench just not do anything or would another version of workbench just not work In my original Amiga days I just had 2.04 on an A500+ then 3.0 on my A1200 and the workbench that was used just matched those versions.

29 June 2019, 21:51	#10
indigolemon Bit Copying Bard Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Kelty, Fife, Scotland Age: 41 Posts: 1,293	If you buy 3.1.4 you get both, a ROM and the matching OS disks - it's a complete package. Essentially both are part of the operating system, it's just that some components are in ROM rather than loaded from disk (and are thus available from power on). Historically, the only time that there was disparity was with the release of 3.5 and 3.9. These needed you to have the 3.1 ROM and then they patched in updated system components in memory as the machine booted, stealing some of your RAM but providing updated functionality.

10 July 2019, 16:54	#12
Puggsy Banned Join Date: May 2018 Location: Toronto Posts: 158	No benefit.

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