a4000 vs a1200 speed ?

turrican3 · 07 August 2022, 11:53

Hi, is there a difference of speed between the a4000 and the a1200 with the same cpu ???

Leon Besson · 07 August 2022, 13:30

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Originally Posted by turrican3

Hi, is there a difference of speed between the a4000 and the a1200 with the same cpu ???

If you believe the “Sysinfo” scores, then they are like for like Bromigo!

turrican3 · 07 August 2022, 18:32

a such difference of price just for zorro 3 !!! fastmem place and a cpu board and oh yes a faster cpu.
the 68040 explain surely the difference of prices.
Was there some softwares with the a4000 when you bought one (a pack): lightwave or something ??
wb3.1 was preinstalled ??
I had one but it wasn't a new one and i had zero software with it, just wb 3.1.

nogginthenog · 07 August 2022, 20:23

A stock A1200 has a 68020 CPU. A stock A4000 has a 68030 or 68040 CPU.
You cannot compare them. You can upgrade both of course.

The A4000 has room for expansions: hard drives or a CDROM drive (just!).
CDROM is of course redundant these days but I have a Zorro ethernet card.

My A4000 has 128Mb of RAM on the 68060 card. This will not fit easily in a A1200.

Leon Besson · 07 August 2022, 20:42

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Originally Posted by nogginthenog

My A4000 has 128Mb of RAM on the 68060 card. This will not fit easily in a A1200.

Yes it will Mang! Blizzard 1260 holds 128 or 256MB with a MKIV SCSI card. TF1260 fits easily as well.

matt3k · 07 August 2022, 21:05

It is very dependent on what stuff you have on it.

Zorro 3 is noticeably faster than Zorro 2, so if your using Z3 cards and DMA the 4000 is the way to go. The 1200 won't compete here even with a busboard.

Having owned both...

The 1200 will be the best bet to run stockish or maybe a vampire to give it life. Once you start modifying the 1200 a great deal, it gets finicky in my experience. A 4000 will be a much better choice if you want to add lots of stuff to it. Zorro 3 slots are good at what they were designed for.

In the states, 1200 had game packs but the 4000s were all white boxes with nothing but the OS. If you bought from a local Amiga store they would install the software for you if you purchased it from them, and direct you to the user group for more training, etc.

system info programs are wildly inaccurate sometimes. A Stock 3000/030 with 60NS SC zipps with a scsi drive is noticeably faster than stock 4000/030 with 60NS SIMMS and an IDE drive. Sysinfo will likely say they are the same, but in use they are different.

turrican3 · 07 August 2022, 22:22

When i read some reactions the subject seems sensible.
They are both great.

jbenam · 07 August 2022, 22:51

With the A4000 you were mainly paying for the luxury of having expandable slots.

Just think of the A2000 - it was mainly a repackaged A1000 first and a repackaged A2000 later, but it was much more expensive.

Some of it was due to market segmentation, some because of the additional hardware costs (GALs, glue logic, Buster and more).

Keep in mind that Commodore never released official 030 or 040 options for the A1200 and I'm not sure they would ever do as much even if they stayed afloat. They only released 020 and 030 cards for the A2000 and 030 and 040 cards for the A3000/4000 because high power CPUs needed to go with the workstation Amigas. Clearly the third party expansion market was always there, but back then it would've been a commercial suicide to introduce any kind of expansion lockdown.

Clearly Commodore wanted pro-users to purchase the big box Amigas, along with their higher margins.

From an end-user prospective, they probably seem like a waste of money, but back then they were the only serious option for pro-users.

Jope · 08 August 2022, 12:55

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Originally Posted by jbenam

Keep in mind that Commodore never released official 030 or 040 options for the A1200 and I'm not sure they would ever do as much even if they stayed afloat.

At that point Commodore was planning on completely moving out of the expansion game, so my guess is that your guess is right but for different reasons. :-)

Pyromania · 08 August 2022, 16:18

Wasn’t the IDE on the A4000 slower than the A1200 IDE?

trixster · 08 August 2022, 16:36

Ide on the 4000 can reach 2.8MB/s. On the 1200 it’s about 2.2MB/s

Pyromania · 08 August 2022, 16:49

Maybe not IDE then. I remember some complaint back then that the A1200 was faster than the A4000 at something.

Lord Aga · 08 August 2022, 16:51

Falling off a ledge? It's more aerodynamic

hooverphonique · 08 August 2022, 17:37

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Originally Posted by Pyromania

Maybe not IDE then. I remember some complaint back then that the A1200 was faster than the A4000 at something.

In some cases, CPU chipram access is faster on the 1200..

trixster · 08 August 2022, 19:16

Yes, due to the accelerator in the A4000. Some boards have quite remarkably slow chip ram access. I was pleased to see the new BFG9060 has moreorless perfect chip ram access speed of 3.5MB/s / 7.0MB/s

nogginthenog · 08 August 2022, 19:59

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Originally Posted by Leon Besson

Yes it will Mang! Blizzard 1260 holds 128 or 256MB with a MKIV SCSI card. TF1260 fits easily as well.

You haven't seen the SIMMs I have! Took a punt on some odd looking ones on eBay (obs pulled out of a server). Work fine. 12 chips per side.

https://imgur.com/a/Rsa3P29

Leon Besson · 08 August 2022, 21:18

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Originally Posted by nogginthenog

You haven't seen the SIMMs I have! Took a punt on some odd looking ones on eBay (obs pulled out of a server). Work fine. 12 chips per side.

https://imgur.com/a/Rsa3P29

Uuuhhhhhh! You are on about using Blizzard 1260 card here on a A1200?

If so, you are absolutely living in the past

You know you can get better SIMMs now a days which fit better? Right? Bromigo?!

nogginthenog · 09 August 2022, 20:07

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Originally Posted by Leon Besson

You know you can get better SIMMs now a days which fit better? Right? Bromigo?!

10x32MB SIMMs for £24 is why

Leon Besson · 09 August 2022, 20:13

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Originally Posted by nogginthenog

10x32MB SIMMs for £24 is why

Right…..Bromigo!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284791425...mis&media=COPY

Half price here

nogginthenog · 09 August 2022, 20:57

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Originally Posted by Leon Besson

Right…..Bromigo!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284791425...mis&media=COPY

Half price here

I got 10 SIMMs for that price!

07 August 2022, 11:53	#1
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07 August 2022, 18:32	#3
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	a such difference of price just for zorro 3 !!! fastmem place and a cpu board and oh yes a faster cpu. the 68040 explain surely the difference of prices. Was there some softwares with the a4000 when you bought one (a pack): lightwave or something ?? wb3.1 was preinstalled ?? I had one but it wasn't a new one and i had zero software with it, just wb 3.1.

07 August 2022, 20:23	#4
nogginthenog Amigan Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: London Posts: 1,311	A stock A1200 has a 68020 CPU. A stock A4000 has a 68030 or 68040 CPU. You cannot compare them. You can upgrade both of course. The A4000 has room for expansions: hard drives or a CDROM drive (just!). CDROM is of course redundant these days but I have a Zorro ethernet card. My A4000 has 128Mb of RAM on the 68060 card. This will not fit easily in a A1200.

07 August 2022, 21:05	#6
matt3k Registered User Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: NY / USA Posts: 290	It is very dependent on what stuff you have on it. Zorro 3 is noticeably faster than Zorro 2, so if your using Z3 cards and DMA the 4000 is the way to go. The 1200 won't compete here even with a busboard. Having owned both... The 1200 will be the best bet to run stockish or maybe a vampire to give it life. Once you start modifying the 1200 a great deal, it gets finicky in my experience. A 4000 will be a much better choice if you want to add lots of stuff to it. Zorro 3 slots are good at what they were designed for. In the states, 1200 had game packs but the 4000s were all white boxes with nothing but the OS. If you bought from a local Amiga store they would install the software for you if you purchased it from them, and direct you to the user group for more training, etc. system info programs are wildly inaccurate sometimes. A Stock 3000/030 with 60NS SC zipps with a scsi drive is noticeably faster than stock 4000/030 with 60NS SIMMS and an IDE drive. Sysinfo will likely say they are the same, but in use they are different.

07 August 2022, 22:22	#7
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	When i read some reactions the subject seems sensible. They are both great.

07 August 2022, 22:51	#8
jbenam Italian Amiga Zealot Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Italy Age: 36 Posts: 1,911	With the A4000 you were mainly paying for the luxury of having expandable slots. Just think of the A2000 - it was mainly a repackaged A1000 first and a repackaged A2000 later, but it was much more expensive. Some of it was due to market segmentation, some because of the additional hardware costs (GALs, glue logic, Buster and more). Keep in mind that Commodore never released official 030 or 040 options for the A1200 and I'm not sure they would ever do as much even if they stayed afloat. They only released 020 and 030 cards for the A2000 and 030 and 040 cards for the A3000/4000 because high power CPUs needed to go with the workstation Amigas. Clearly the third party expansion market was always there, but back then it would've been a commercial suicide to introduce any kind of expansion lockdown. Clearly Commodore wanted pro-users to purchase the big box Amigas, along with their higher margins. From an end-user prospective, they probably seem like a waste of money, but back then they were the only serious option for pro-users.

08 August 2022, 16:18	#10
Pyromania Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 3,375	Wasn’t the IDE on the A4000 slower than the A1200 IDE?

08 August 2022, 16:36	#11
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,339	Ide on the 4000 can reach 2.8MB/s. On the 1200 it’s about 2.2MB/s

08 August 2022, 16:49	#12
Pyromania Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 3,375	Maybe not IDE then. I remember some complaint back then that the A1200 was faster than the A4000 at something.

08 August 2022, 16:51	#13
Lord Aga MI clan prevails Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 1,443	Falling off a ledge? It's more aerodynamic

08 August 2022, 19:16	#15
trixster Guru Meditating Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: England Posts: 2,339	Yes, due to the accelerator in the A4000. Some boards have quite remarkably slow chip ram access. I was pleased to see the new BFG9060 has moreorless perfect chip ram access speed of 3.5MB/s / 7.0MB/s

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