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Old 14 September 2018, 19:57   #41
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Sorry but the translation does not help, for me that in 1984 (i was already 30 years old), those primitive calculators as confirmed by Wikipedia represented Operating Systems regardless of what they could do, today perhaps it no longer makes sense to call them Operating Systems but then they were.

Excuse me but with this I close my replies avoiding to annoy someone and excuse me if I have already done
No problem, my friend!

But maybe this explanation helps clearing a little confusion:
Consider typing WIN.COM in DOS like typing LoadWB on Amiga. On Amiga parts of workbench and GUI is in ROM. Think of a PC like an Amiga which would only come with DOS, no graphics.library, no intuition.library, no expansion.library, etc.

The older Windows versions were more like adding graphics.library, intuition.library to a dos.library only system. Later Windows versions like 95 added expansion.library to the DOS.
Basically the same way how AmigaOS got RTG and AHI...

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Old 20 September 2018, 15:22   #42
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So today I learnt that Linux is not an operating system, since it relies on various boot-strapper software to work, loadlin, amilinux, yaboot, uboot, grub, lilo...
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Right observation Kolla
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So today I learnt that Linux is not an operating system, since it relies on various boot-strapper software to work, loadlin, amilinux, yaboot, uboot, grub, lilo...
That is not true! Linux can even be flashed on BIOS. See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coreboot

Those boot strappers are only needed if the boot logic doesn't fit the MBR / boot block / boot sector (488 bytes for MBR) or to manage multiple operating systems at once per drive.

I also don't see how you came to this conclusion.

BTW: Try to bootstrap Windows 1.04 from grub without DOS layer. It won't work!

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DOS layer is an integral part of Windows up to Win95.
WinXP or Win7 can be hosted by AROS in dual boot and this does not mean WinXP or Win7 that they are not independent OS.
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...can't believe this thread is still going; and has gone way off topic from the original post.

Anyway, thread title adjusted from "Emulation Windows 1.4" --> "Emulation Windows 1.04".
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So today I learnt that Linux is not an operating system, since it relies on various boot-strapper software to work, loadlin, amilinux, yaboot, uboot, grub, lilo...
It is once you type "startx".
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Thanks for the change of title
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DOS layer is an integral part of Windows up to Win95.
That's wrong! Win98, Win98SE and WinME are DOS based, too.
Windows NT series was without DOS (including WinNT/Win2k/WinXP and all later ones).

WinME forced auto-execution of WIN.COM to start WinME. The possibility in MSDOS.SYS to disable booting in the GUI was disabled.

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WinXP or Win7 can be hosted by AROS in dual boot and this does not mean WinXP or Win7 that they are not independent OS.
You probably mean virtualization. That's a very different topic!
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That's wrong! Win98, Win98SE and WinME are DOS based, too.
I've always talked about these OS that integrate DOS, from Win2000 onwards it may not be so even if I have the doubt che io DOS
is still an integral part.

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You probably mean virtualization. That's a very different topic!
No Virtualization, a normal DualBoot AROS+Win7 through GRUB AROS (No Linux), I am attaching an old video of mine.

Dual Boot AROS Windows 7

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