usb wrapper

rzookol · 30 July 2010, 12:56

hi,

maybe some usb wrapper could be added to be used with poseidon (eueusb.device ...)

Toni Wilen · 30 July 2010, 21:02

USB "wrapper" would be extremely complex and difficult task.

Why? Mass storage devices work without usb support, network does not need usb, input devices don't need usb support etc..

thomas · 30 July 2010, 22:11

I would like to use my USB scanner through uaescsi.device ...

Or a generic Betascan driver for Windows scanners: uaescanner.device (Not TWAIN, there must be something else in Windows, because the "Wizard for Scanners and Cameras" (free translation from German; wiaacmgr.exe) can scan without opening the TWAIN GUI.)

lolafg · 01 August 2010, 18:40

jh-tgrdsqsaq<

lolafg · 02 August 2010, 18:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by lolafg

jh-tgrdsqsaq<

Sorry for that , was not me who wrote that....probably my daughter who played with the PC...sorry again

thomas · 02 August 2010, 18:24

dfgje mzowi mzopragksdövkasdfög erpapor?

lolafg · 02 August 2010, 18:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas

dfgje mzowi mzopragksdövkasdfög erpapor?

Someone played with your PC too...probably...

asm1 · 04 August 2010, 03:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas

I would like to use my USB scanner through uaescsi.device ...

Or a generic Betascan driver for Windows scanners: uaescanner.device (Not TWAIN, there must be something else in Windows, because the "Wizard for Scanners and Cameras" (free translation from German; wiaacmgr.exe) can scan without opening the TWAIN GUI.)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

USB "wrapper" would be extremely complex and difficult task.

Why? Mass storage devices work without usb support, network does not need usb, input devices don't need usb support etc..

I'm intrigued too.... why would you want to use a scanner in winUAE ?

I could almost (and I say *almost*) see the point of usb on a Real Amiga.... but UAE

pardon me but I'm confused.

Surely it is easier to scan / manipulate in winblows and then import your pix into your emulated Amiga in winuae ? (you can set up your winuae to do this y'know, with a 'PC' folder

- just drop the file into it once you have scanned)

or would that be too simple ?

I get that there are some mind squiffing things you can do on real Amigas... and the ability to connect USB scanners/cameras is probably one of them. But USB support in an EMULATOR ?

I genuinely don't understand the request. Or maybe I do, but I still cant see why you would want to... unless you are talking about doing everything in a WinUAE environment (i.e. using it as a "windows replacement") And having AMIGA OS do all your stuff.... which IMHO is bordering on madness.

thomas · 04 August 2010, 12:36

Quote:

Surely it is easier to scan / manipulate in winblows and then import your pix into your emulated Amiga in winuae ?

No, it's the other way round. Amiga scanning Software, especially Scanquix, is much better than everything you get for Windows. It allows much more control over what is scanned and how. *Before* scanning begins.

I once started to write a Scanquix-like frontend for Betascan, but it would be much easier if I could do this in WinUAE.

prowler · 04 August 2010, 22:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas

Amiga scanning Software, especially Scanquix, is much better than everything you get for Windows. It allows much more control over what is scanned and how. *Before* scanning begins.

Thanks for that, Thomas!

Now I know why requests for Amiga scanner drivers still pop up from time to time!

rzookol · 06 August 2010, 09:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

USB "wrapper" would be extremely complex and difficult task.

Why? Mass storage devices work without usb support, network does not need usb, input devices don't need usb support etc..

i'm working on scanner software for morphos and aros. This wrapper could be useful for testing 68k port and drivers' port. Poseidon source code is located in aros archives.

http://brain.umcs.lublin.pl/~rzookol/pics/scandal20.jpg
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kolla · 09 August 2010, 23:27

Has anyone considered doing a USB over IP driver for Poseidon? Imagine the possibilities, direct access to USB devices even from Amigas that have no USB hardware attached

Toni Wilen · 13 August 2010, 11:27

Emulating SCSI scanner protocol probably isn't too difficult but afaik there is no good enough scanner API in Windows.. TWAIN probably sucks too much.

Emulating image file as an uaescsi.device virtual scanner unit is probably very pointless

prowler · 13 August 2010, 22:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toni Wilen

Emulating SCSI scanner protocol probably isn't too difficult but afaik there is no good enough scanner API in Windows.. TWAIN probably sucks too much.

So, it's not just the name that isn't interesting, then.

rzookol · 02 January 2015, 21:19

bump

Maybe now, after releasing Thylacine specs, WinUAE could get some usb card emulation?

Toni Wilen · 06 January 2015, 13:54

No. You still need Windows driver to be able to access any real USB devices in low level.

Unless you want mostly pointless USB emulation that emulates for example hdf image as a virtual USB memory stick or USB HD or Windows supported mouse or joystick or keyboard as virtual USB input device.

demolition · 06 January 2015, 14:26

When using Windows XP Mode for example in Windows 7, it uses a USB virtualization driver which enables communication directly between the VM and the USB device. It is then disconnected from the host OS. I guess this is what needs to be used?

rzookol · 08 January 2015, 10:16

Yep, VirtualBox has EHCI support and it works in Windows.

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30 July 2010, 21:02	#2
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	USB "wrapper" would be extremely complex and difficult task. Why? Mass storage devices work without usb support, network does not need usb, input devices don't need usb support etc..

30 July 2010, 22:11	#3
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 6,985	I would like to use my USB scanner through uaescsi.device ... Or a generic Betascan driver for Windows scanners: uaescanner.device (Not TWAIN, there must be something else in Windows, because the "Wizard for Scanners and Cameras" (free translation from German; wiaacmgr.exe) can scan without opening the TWAIN GUI.)

01 August 2010, 18:40	#4
lolafg Registered User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Tours/France Age: 52 Posts: 1,233	jh-tgrdsqsaq<

02 August 2010, 18:24	#6
thomas Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 6,985	dfgje mzowi mzopragksdövkasdfög erpapor?

09 August 2010, 23:27	#12
kolla Banned Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Trondheim, Norway Posts: 1,893	Has anyone considered doing a USB over IP driver for Poseidon? Imagine the possibilities, direct access to USB devices even from Amigas that have no USB hardware attached

13 August 2010, 11:27	#13
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	Emulating SCSI scanner protocol probably isn't too difficult but afaik there is no good enough scanner API in Windows.. TWAIN probably sucks too much. Emulating image file as an uaescsi.device virtual scanner unit is probably very pointless

02 January 2015, 21:19	#15
rzookol Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Stasin/Poland Posts: 46	bump Maybe now, after releasing Thylacine specs, WinUAE could get some usb card emulation?

06 January 2015, 13:54	#16
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,505	No. You still need Windows driver to be able to access any real USB devices in low level. Unless you want mostly pointless USB emulation that emulates for example hdf image as a virtual USB memory stick or USB HD or Windows supported mouse or joystick or keyboard as virtual USB input device.

06 January 2015, 14:26	#17
demolition Unregistered User Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Copenhagen / DK Age: 43 Posts: 4,190	When using Windows XP Mode for example in Windows 7, it uses a USB virtualization driver which enables communication directly between the VM and the USB device. It is then disconnected from the host OS. I guess this is what needs to be used?

08 January 2015, 10:16	#18
rzookol Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Stasin/Poland Posts: 46	Yep, VirtualBox has EHCI support and it works in Windows.

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