hi...

Import_Gaming · 17 November 2006, 23:05

Hello,

Im new one here and I have some questions.Are the Cd32 isos illegal?
5 hours ago I sent a pm to 2 opers but no one answered(this is rude btw...I asked for this info very polite).I have a bunch of Cd32 uploads in Megaupload and it will be my pleasure to share them with amiga fans.

I do not sell links! I just share them 4 free .
It will be shame Megaupload host to delete them.

Thank you

keropi · 17 November 2006, 23:07

oh I saw ur post on a.org...
welcome to EAB

u will enjoy it here!

P-J · 17 November 2006, 23:33

Presume anything is illegal unless you can categorically prove otherwise.

Welcome to the board

Marcuz · 18 November 2006, 01:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Import_Gaming

5 hours ago I sent a pm to 2 opers but no one answered(this is rude btw...I asked for this info very polite)

dude: moderators are not here 24/7 we are volunteers here and with a life like anyone else. i'm sure they will answer as soon as they see your pm.
about your question, the faq says:
http://eab.abime.net/faq.php?faq=eab..._ks_wb_faqitem
that means that if the software is no longer for sale or under some restriction of copyright (a quick search on the title may help you ) it should be ok to post the link.
strictly however, no software sharing is legal if not specifically consented by the copyright owner, it is just not worthy to look into it if the software it's not sold anymore.

Zetr0 · 18 November 2006, 01:40

Heys marco,

I wonder, when you state sell, does this specifically mean or include distribution licenses ?

for instance as we know Psygnosis got eaten up by sony, NONE of thier software has a current distribution license (not saying they wont in future) where as ORIGIN whom got eat up by EA still have distribution licenses on a small fraction of their software, notably the WING COMMANDER initial 6 games ( kilrathi three game saga) prophecy, academy and privettier..

it difficult... and in truth its just to damn confusing....

linking to the unknown data is a bad move, but i fail to see what would be wrong in linking to a website. it would be like a link to a bittorrent site... but given the choice i would forgo the link for fear of these boards being taken down.

anyways i best stop i dont wanna start a legal v ethical debate ... its really not worth it, LOL mods have too much work to do as it is.

Marcuz · 18 November 2006, 02:30

Zetr0, i've not the knowledge for a correct discrimination of what's legal to share. i just pointed, answering the question about legality, that copyrights stand longer, to various degrees depending on the country and international laws and accords, than our concept of the time for a software to become abandonware. as it is abandoned, it's kinda safe to share, that don't mean it's legal. ethics here are not the point. i say however that the software that is not currently under the restrictions stated in the faqs, i.e. software not currently sold or distributed or specifically not allowed to be distributed by current request of rights owner, (we have had exemples of that too in the recent months, and it is perfectly ok) it is safe to share until said owners ask for stop.
when we talk of abandonware, wich outlines are not at all clear and fixed, we approximate only.
in regard of the the user' question, i would say that he has to check the titles he want to share for them to comply to the rules, and if they do he can surely link the site. the mods will check it then.
EAB's rule as everybody should know by now, is that no link is allowed to software outside what's in the faqs.

Import_Gaming · 18 November 2006, 03:36

Quote:

dude: moderators are not here 24/7 we are volunteers here and with a life like anyone else. i'm sure they will answer as soon as they see your pm.

I know that man but one of them was online for many minutes when I sent him the pm,I saw it.
Anyway,you have right and I agree with you.They have better and more important things to do.

These are all my uploaded games (no links):

Amiga wont lose money from this...Im sure

Can you guys see any illegal?

Akira
Beneath a Steal Sky
Arabian Nights
ATR - All Terrain Racing
Beavers
D-Generation
Deep Core
Chambers of Shaolin
Elite 2 - frontier
Chuck Rock
Fields of Glory
Fire Force
Gloom
Black Viper
Cannon Fodder
Banshee
Dark Seed
Dragonstone
Battletoads
Fly Harder
Last Ninja 3
Skeleton Krew
Emerald Mine
Exile
Simon the Sorcerer
Labyrinth of Time
Ultimate Super Skidmarks
Prey - An Alien Encounte
Roadkill
Top 100 A1200 Games
Wendetta 2175
Gulp!
International Karate
Alien Breed Special Edition and Qwak
James Pond
John Barnes European Football
Jungle Strike
Lost Vikings
Mean Arenas
Morph
Mr Nutz
Nick Faldos
Pierrere Le Chief...Out to Lunch
PGA European Tour
Pinball Prelude
Naughty Ones
Overkill and Lunar-C
Soccer Superstars
Premiere
Subwar 2050
Speris Legacy,The
Seven Gates of Jambala,The
Sabre Team
Rider Cup by Johnie Walker
Rise of the Robots
Project X SE & Formula 1 Challenge
Quik The Thunder Rabbit
Super League Manager
Super Putty
Super Frog
Syndicate
Total Carnage
Ufo-Enemy Unknown
Vital Light
Global Effect
Brutal Football
Sensible World Soccer

You are talking about a 13 years old console...(A.CD32).

shillard · 18 November 2006, 05:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by Import_Gaming

Hello,

5 hours ago I sent a pm to 2 opers but no one answered(this is rude btw...I asked for this info very polite).

Wow, I didn't realise that some users had a Direct Neural Interface link to the eab site, so no matter what was going on in their lives they could meet a 5 hour minimum response time to private messages posted here.

Where can I get my HaNdz on c00l WaReZ like that?

Photon · 18 November 2006, 13:14

shillard: Agree, joining and demanding immediate response from mods is not a good start...

They're not here to serve you, they're here because they kindly donate their time to our forum. If one of them had this site open in their browser, that doesn't mean they sit and refresh their Inbox to catch any new message. Bah.

Zetr0 · 18 November 2006, 13:33

Heys Import Gamming, welcome to EAB

hope you like it here.

It would be a shame to loose such a resource that you offer, but alas there have been to many website closures and close-calls and obviously a lot of huff and puff about what is, what is`nt and leagal.

unfortunately unless some one contacts the software house or publisher to have for a deffinate that these works belong to the public domain then they well respectively belong to whom over owns the rights for a period of 50 years (in the case of computer programs books have 75 years)

thats a leagal deffinition, but it doesn`t encompas this

if a company has works, this company falls to recievership or liquidation* then works will fall unto the public domain where not (a) If the licesne was transfered to another party before liquidation conclusion (b) Existing distrubtion licenese still exist by another party.

when companys get bought, most if not all the time the rights to all works past and previous are also included in the sale.

there is only one exception from this.

if ANY time in WHOLE or PART that licensed works are placed within the public domain (by the licensor) that work is part of the public domain and cannot be taken out.

the only way would be to have either written agreement by said publisher/softwarehouse that these works are considered abandoned and the wrights to said software exist in the public domain.

so if anyone whats to help me wright one up for SONY let get them psygnosis games released...

Marcuz · 18 November 2006, 13:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Import_Gaming

I know that man but one of them was online for many minutes when I sent him the pm,I saw it.
Anyway,you have right and I agree with you.They have better and more important things to do.

These are all my uploaded games (no links):

Amiga wont lose money from this...Im sure

Can you guys see any illegal?

Akira
Beneath a Steal Sky
Arabian Nights
ATR - All Terrain Racing
Beavers
D-Generation
Deep Core
Chambers of Shaolin
Elite 2 - frontier
Chuck Rock
Fields of Glory
Fire Force
Gloom
Black Viper
Cannon Fodder
Banshee
Dark Seed
Dragonstone
Battletoads
Fly Harder
Last Ninja 3
Skeleton Krew
Emerald Mine
Exile
Simon the Sorcerer
Labyrinth of Time
Ultimate Super Skidmarks
Prey - An Alien Encounte
Roadkill
Top 100 A1200 Games
Wendetta 2175
Gulp!
International Karate
Alien Breed Special Edition and Qwak
James Pond
John Barnes European Football
Jungle Strike
Lost Vikings
Mean Arenas
Morph
Mr Nutz
Nick Faldos
Pierrere Le Chief...Out to Lunch
PGA European Tour
Pinball Prelude
Naughty Ones
Overkill and Lunar-C
Soccer Superstars
Premiere
Subwar 2050
Speris Legacy,The
Seven Gates of Jambala,The
Sabre Team
Rider Cup by Johnie Walker
Rise of the Robots
Project X SE & Formula 1 Challenge
Quik The Thunder Rabbit
Super League Manager
Super Putty
Super Frog
Syndicate
Total Carnage
Ufo-Enemy Unknown
Vital Light
Global Effect
Brutal Football
Sensible World Soccer

You are talking about a 13 years old console...(A.CD32).

after a cursory look i see no problem. there are a couple og games i don't know tough: other guys here will know for sure better than me and will answer.
Zetr0, my friend, i think you are taking this out of context, after all many of the users here have/ have had in the years their own sites hosting software. i see no problem in posting ok links: it's not a courtesy or a appliance on EAB rules, while it's a right of EAB to tutelate itself from illegality issues, but it's more of a courtesy the owner of the site does to himself as it is his first interest and responsability to have not problem about the content of his site.
i think it's the time to leave the feeling of witch-hunts that lingered here in the past few months in the past.

Zetr0 · 18 November 2006, 14:12

agreed marco

Import_Gaming · 18 November 2006, 16:15

Quote:

shillard: Agree, joining and demanding immediate response from mods is not a good start...

shillard & Photon I didnt demand an answer.I also gave a reply to marco pedrana :

Quote:

Anyway,you have right and I agree with you.They have better and more important things to do.

Dont stuck in my first post.

Quote:

that doesn't mean they sit and refresh their Inbox to catch any new message

You are wrong.It doesnt need refresh.This is a modern kind of forum.If I send you a pm & you are online , you will definetely see it because a new window screen(java ap.) opens immidiatelly and informs you about the message.You must be blind not to see it or have something to do or..or...or.. Thats why I said "rude".

As for the isos,I didnt understand...

{Sorry for my bad english...

}

Marcuz · 18 November 2006, 21:04

yeah let it go.

Import_Gaming · 18 November 2006, 21:54

Ok I' ll post them in a new topic

P-J · 18 November 2006, 21:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Import_Gaming

Ok I' ll post them in a new topic

I'm not sure, but if that remark was as sarcastic as it seemed it would be better if you didn't.

DamienD · 18 November 2006, 22:12

...and to be honest there's nothing in your list that isn't "hard to find".

Check out Amiga Univers, GameTronik or Fdasi-amigaland for example...

Not that I don't appreciated your kind gesture Import_gaming

Marcuz · 19 November 2006, 00:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Import_Gaming

Ok I' ll post them in a new topic

not need to, the 2 threads would get merged

really people let it go, no damage done.

17 November 2006, 23:05	#1
Import_Gaming The CD32-man Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Atlantis Posts: 10	hi... Hello, Im new one here and I have some questions.Are the Cd32 isos illegal? 5 hours ago I sent a pm to 2 opers but no one answered(this is rude btw...I asked for this info very polite).I have a bunch of Cd32 uploads in Megaupload and it will be my pleasure to share them with amiga fans. I do not sell links! I just share them 4 free . It will be shame Megaupload host to delete them. Thank you

17 November 2006, 23:07	#2
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	oh I saw ur post on a.org... welcome to EAB u will enjoy it here!

17 November 2006, 23:33	#3
P-J Registered User Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Moorpark, California Age: 44 Posts: 1,153	Presume anything is illegal unless you can categorically prove otherwise. Welcome to the board

18 November 2006, 01:40	#5
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	Heys marco, I wonder, when you state sell, does this specifically mean or include distribution licenses ? for instance as we know Psygnosis got eaten up by sony, NONE of thier software has a current distribution license (not saying they wont in future) where as ORIGIN whom got eat up by EA still have distribution licenses on a small fraction of their software, notably the WING COMMANDER initial 6 games ( kilrathi three game saga) prophecy, academy and privettier.. it difficult... and in truth its just to damn confusing.... linking to the unknown data is a bad move, but i fail to see what would be wrong in linking to a website. it would be like a link to a bittorrent site... but given the choice i would forgo the link for fear of these boards being taken down. anyways i best stop i dont wanna start a legal v ethical debate ... its really not worth it, LOL mods have too much work to do as it is.

18 November 2006, 02:30	#6
Marcuz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 48 Posts: 5,562	Zetr0, i've not the knowledge for a correct discrimination of what's legal to share. i just pointed, answering the question about legality, that copyrights stand longer, to various degrees depending on the country and international laws and accords, than our concept of the time for a software to become abandonware. as it is abandoned, it's kinda safe to share, that don't mean it's legal. ethics here are not the point. i say however that the software that is not currently under the restrictions stated in the faqs, i.e. software not currently sold or distributed or specifically not allowed to be distributed by current request of rights owner, (we have had exemples of that too in the recent months, and it is perfectly ok) it is safe to share until said owners ask for stop. when we talk of abandonware, wich outlines are not at all clear and fixed, we approximate only. in regard of the the user' question, i would say that he has to check the titles he want to share for them to comply to the rules, and if they do he can surely link the site. the mods will check it then. EAB's rule as everybody should know by now, is that no link is allowed to software outside what's in the faqs.

18 November 2006, 13:14	#9
Photon Moderator Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Eksjö / Sweden Posts: 5,602	shillard: Agree, joining and demanding immediate response from mods is not a good start... They're not here to serve you, they're here because they kindly donate their time to our forum. If one of them had this site open in their browser, that doesn't mean they sit and refresh their Inbox to catch any new message. Bah.

18 November 2006, 13:33	#10
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	Heys Import Gamming, welcome to EAB hope you like it here. It would be a shame to loose such a resource that you offer, but alas there have been to many website closures and close-calls and obviously a lot of huff and puff about what is, what is`nt and leagal. unfortunately unless some one contacts the software house or publisher to have for a deffinate that these works belong to the public domain then they well respectively belong to whom over owns the rights for a period of 50 years (in the case of computer programs books have 75 years) thats a leagal deffinition, but it doesn`t encompas this if a company has works, this company falls to recievership or liquidation* then works will fall unto the public domain where not (a) If the licesne was transfered to another party before liquidation conclusion (b) Existing distrubtion licenese still exist by another party. when companys get bought, most if not all the time the rights to all works past and previous are also included in the sale. there is only one exception from this. if ANY time in WHOLE or PART that licensed works are placed within the public domain (by the licensor) that work is part of the public domain and cannot be taken out. the only way would be to have either written agreement by said publisher/softwarehouse that these works are considered abandoned and the wrights to said software exist in the public domain. so if anyone whats to help me wright one up for SONY let get them psygnosis games released...

18 November 2006, 14:12	#12
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	agreed marco

18 November 2006, 21:04	#14
Marcuz Registered User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: . Age: 48 Posts: 5,562	yeah let it go.

18 November 2006, 21:54	#15
Import_Gaming The CD32-man Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Atlantis Posts: 10	Ok I' ll post them in a new topic

18 November 2006, 22:12	#17
DamienD Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 47 Posts: 20,420	...and to be honest there's nothing in your list that isn't "hard to find". Check out Amiga Univers, GameTronik or Fdasi-amigaland for example... Not that I don't appreciated your kind gesture Import_gaming

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