ClassicWB True AGA versions.......... - Page 2

Unknown_K · 04 August 2003, 22:47

I kept my A500 stock (well with a stock 512k ram upgrade) so I can play the old games. I will be loading this classic WB on my A1200 030 this week to try it out.

Bloodwych · 04 August 2003, 23:49

Syko, yeah I'm afraid I used 020 and higher libs and no AGA means no copper background.

I developed this for my A1200 and then public versions followed.

EDIT: Just been checking out if I could replace the 020 libs but ScalOS min requirement is a 68020 so I'm afraid it's definitely no to 68000 support.

The WBlite will work with minimal changes on your A500+ machine (that can be done in WinUAE).

Syko · 05 August 2003, 13:17

Yea I knew scalos would have to go

although I remember a damn nice cooper routine off on of the mags years ago that would do a 4096 background on OCS.

And I was funnin ya about the A4000/OS3.9 - wouldn't change back for anything. Sorry

Don't stop cranking WB3.1 till it skweeks though, it looks bootiful!

Quote:

I kept my A500 stock (well with a stock 512k ram upgrade)

Nope, the A500 has the ATonce+ PC board in it, so that's not std either

but I can switch the GVP off with the 'game' switch. Too be honest ther's not much I've tried that wont work at all with it. Just a shame the ATonce was one of them...

Phiber · 06 August 2003, 17:25

Hmh.. I'd still like to see a WB 3.1 TV-resolution setup for my stock A600... :hoo

Bloodwych · 06 August 2003, 23:24

Quote:

Originally posted by Phiber
Hmh.. I'd still like to see a WB 3.1 TV-resolution setup for my stock A600... :hoo

Paul the green Amiga Alien did a WB 2.0 one and Akira started but didn't finish!

I'm afraid that I have no interest in doing a WB 3.0 setup for an A600 because I don't own one! Plus, like already mentioned, ScalOS (used in the FULL and ADV versions) needs a 68020.

Since I've used 68020 libs/progs from the start of these WB setups for my A1200, I'd have to begin again in order to build a 3.0 workbench for A600's, which as you can appreciate is a rare hardware setup.

All I can suggest is either try Paul's WB 2.0 setup, or download the ClassicWB LITE install it and replace the 68020 specific programs like Virus EX and libs plus one or two others hanging around in the c directory. You'll know when you hit an 020 specific prog due to a software failure. It will still save you a lot of time in comparison to starting from scratch, or if run in WinUAE will simply give you an idea of what to download off Aminet in ordere to build your own.

Bloodwych · 07 August 2003, 12:03

ClassicWB service announcement
------------------------------------------

Just a quick note for those of you using the ClassicWB FULL or ADV.

Note 1
--------

I've just noticed that visage (the picture viewing program) selects screen modes for jpgs, bmps, gifs ect based upon what monitors you have in the devs/monitors drawer.

Since I have a multisync, I'd left various monitors in the devs/monitors drawer that may be incompatible with your VDU. If visage selects an unsupported screenmode for a pic, it won't look good. In fact, you won't see anything at all!

So if you're not going to use high res screen modes like dbl PAL/NTSC, Productivity then remove all monitors except PAL/NTSC from the devs/monitors drawer to the storage/monitors drawer. Visage will then work fine.

Note 2
--------

Copper Demon, the program used to create the lovely colour gradient backgrounds, can create a few compatibility issues which is one of the reasons why it's offered as an addon pack rather than being included in the basic installs.

Since Copper Demon is a commodity (as seen in the WB3 "exchange" program) running in ScalOS, it won't allow screenmodes to be altered or the workbench to be shut down without exiting it first. That's why I've included its icon in the bottom right hand corner. Before changing Workbench screenmodes (public screens (ie brand new screens) opened by programs are unaffected) please exit copper demon to avoid errors. One of these errors may be display positioning problems when stepping up from PAL/NTSC modes to productivity/DBL- PAL/NTSC. In order to confirm this I'll need to do some testing on my A1200 in the near future.

In rare instances, some programs like Dpaint and the game Settlers have the option of temporarily shutting down workbench in order to save resources for their operation. This is not possible when Copper Demon is running so be aware of this if you require every last bit of RAM.

Note 3
--------

Due to the extra eye candy and higher resolution, the ADV version may not have enough chipram available to run certain AGA specific games. Users with only 2MB RAM and no fast will also face this problem. If this is the case, then reset the Amiga and hold both mouse buttons. From the startup menu that appears, select "Boot with no Startup-Sequence". This will take you to a CLI prompt. From here you can launch the game with full resources by first changing the prompt to the games directory (use "cd") and then finding the executable file with "dir" command. If a game requires an Icon to launch, use the command "WBRUN" before the games executable.

End of service announcement
-------------------------------------

All these issues will be fixed/addressed at some point down the line, including updated "readmes".

Bloodwych · 08 August 2003, 15:41

^^^^^ Just added an extra note above for ClassicWB ADV users and those facing low chipram. All of this will be included in the updated readmes.

It is possible to create a double startup-sequence where the mouse button(s) can be used to select a normal Workbench and a less memory intensive one. It causes many complications however, including problems with the ClassicWB install procedure. The ClassicWB FULL uses so little chipram this feature isn't worth adding. The ClassicWB ADV has enough chipram for the vast majority of programs and the very few that are affected can be run easily from CLI using the method described in note 3.

Mouse startup progs include "mouse.lha" and "getmouseinput.lha" from Aminet.

Other options apart from multiple startups are various utilities off Aminet. These can be used to create a RAD: drive in workbench then reset the Amiga and run the game. If you're interested take a look here.

Examples are "Max_Reset_V1.5.lha", "ResetRun2.lha", "ResRun_V1.0.lha" and "ResRunV1_1.lha".

Bloodwych · 08 August 2003, 18:52

Another tip, yeah I've been updating the Tips & FAQ!

At the start of the s/user-startup file, assigns were added so common folders could be accessed and referred to easily in file requesters, programs, CLI and ScalOS scripts. They are in the format "A-x", where "x" is the folder name. The prefix "A-" was added so they appear at the top of file requesters.

If any of these folders differ in location (eg "Games" folder is on DH1: not DH0: ) then feel free to edit these assigns. Once edited, the popup menus will also be updated with the new location of a given folder as well as file requesters.

Amiga1992 · 09 August 2003, 01:20

Be on the lookout for my Workbench setup, available for your 2.0 amigas, sometime in the near future .

I promised oince I would do it and I still want to,m but it's been ages since I last connected my A600. will start it up soon

MethodGit · 09 August 2003, 03:34

Quote:

Originally posted by Akira
Be on the lookout for my Workbench setup, available for your 2.0 amigas, sometime in the near future .

I promised oince I would do it and I still want to,m but it's been ages since I last connected my A600. will start it up soon

OHO! Sounds like competition for Bloodwych to moi....

Amiga1992 · 09 August 2003, 06:36

Quote:

Originally posted by MethodGit
OHO! Sounds like competition for Bloodwych to moi....

No, mine will run on 1MB (probably 2MB) ECS 2.0 Amigas

Bloodwych's for 1200s

Bloodwych · 11 October 2003, 17:07

Since so many people seem to install the “bloatware free” Classic workbench then ruin it by placing os hack newicons over the top, I decided to play around with the idea of doing a newicon classic wb (of course the wb isn't exactly classic anymore once I change the way it handles icons.).

Anyway, it ended up like this and as I thought it kills performance on 020s (not sure about 030s) and eats chipram for breakfast. Plus for the icons to look nice you have to run 64 colour screenmode. Hmmmm.

Bloodwych · 11 October 2003, 17:35

......and the copper version.

rattus · 11 October 2003, 18:08

erk...

I honestly don't think that all those newicon sets floating around are worth it (they just make the workbench look like windows most of the time!)

Bring back the *CLASSIC* Workbench!

The only time I use newicons are for the pretty game-specific icons for WHD/JST installs; run fine in 16/32 color screenmode on an 030 (although they do look a bit stretched in PAL resolution - I would like to resize them myself but I can never be bothered)

fisken uno · 11 October 2003, 18:11

Agreed, these Newicons does NOT make the Classicwb look better. The look of it is as good as it needs to be.

yadster · 11 October 2003, 19:03

Quote:

Originally posted by Bloodwych
Anyway, it ended up like this and as I thought it kills performance on 020s (not sure about 030s) and eats chipram for breakfast. Plus for the icons to look nice you have to run 64 colour screenmode. Hmmmm.

Agreed but thank god for the utility Fblit - but was unable to get it to run with Scalos

Bloodwych · 13 October 2003, 13:43

Thanks for the input peeps - I won't bother finishing the newicon versions then. I guess it starts looking too much like os 3.9.

In fact as you'll see below, I'm not big on workbench eye candy! All I want is something powerful but runs everything (including all AGA games) from workbench and will work on TVsets, so my setup on my A1200 is basic as can be, but classic.

And as for game icons. You really should start making your own and here is a quick guide to pictureicon:

1. Load your game in winuae. Press the "printscreen" button on your PC keyboard when you see something you want to make an icon for.

2. Load up a paint prgram and "paste" the image. Save the image as a jpg (or other pictureicon friendly format).

3. Load up the ClassicWB in WinUAE and select "Pictureicon", as shown below.

4. Find the image saved in 2, and drag it onto the picticon.

5. Wait a few seconds and hey presto, a lovely game icon.

6. Change the settings to suit your needs. The icon shown below uses 8 colours only! You can force the magicwb palette as well although the icons do look a little bland.

Minuous · 13 October 2003, 16:28

I would not want to go back to OS3.0, I like OS3.9 far too much, and I can still run WBVerlauf too :-)

I suggest an OS3.9 version, that would be cool...

fisken uno · 13 October 2003, 16:55

Personally I prefer speed to "good looks". There's nothing wrong with 3.0 looks as long as wb is equally powerful and useful. If you want 3.9 looks, install 3.9!!

Minuous · 14 October 2003, 22:20

Hmmm, point taken, but why OS3.0 and not for example OS3.1? IIRC OS3.1 is slightly faster than OS3.0 for some things...?

04 August 2003, 23:49	#22
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Syko, yeah I'm afraid I used 020 and higher libs and no AGA means no copper background. I developed this for my A1200 and then public versions followed. EDIT: Just been checking out if I could replace the 020 libs but ScalOS min requirement is a 68020 so I'm afraid it's definitely no to 68000 support. The WBlite will work with minimal changes on your A500+ machine (that can be done in WinUAE). Last edited by Bloodwych; 05 August 2003 at 15:40.

07 August 2003, 12:03	#26
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	ClassicWB service announcement ------------------------------------------ Just a quick note for those of you using the ClassicWB FULL or ADV. Note 1 -------- I've just noticed that visage (the picture viewing program) selects screen modes for jpgs, bmps, gifs ect based upon what monitors you have in the devs/monitors drawer. Since I have a multisync, I'd left various monitors in the devs/monitors drawer that may be incompatible with your VDU. If visage selects an unsupported screenmode for a pic, it won't look good. In fact, you won't see anything at all! So if you're not going to use high res screen modes like dbl PAL/NTSC, Productivity then remove all monitors except PAL/NTSC from the devs/monitors drawer to the storage/monitors drawer. Visage will then work fine. Note 2 -------- Copper Demon, the program used to create the lovely colour gradient backgrounds, can create a few compatibility issues which is one of the reasons why it's offered as an addon pack rather than being included in the basic installs. Since Copper Demon is a commodity (as seen in the WB3 "exchange" program) running in ScalOS, it won't allow screenmodes to be altered or the workbench to be shut down without exiting it first. That's why I've included its icon in the bottom right hand corner. Before changing Workbench screenmodes (public screens (ie brand new screens) opened by programs are unaffected) please exit copper demon to avoid errors. One of these errors may be display positioning problems when stepping up from PAL/NTSC modes to productivity/DBL- PAL/NTSC. In order to confirm this I'll need to do some testing on my A1200 in the near future. In rare instances, some programs like Dpaint and the game Settlers have the option of temporarily shutting down workbench in order to save resources for their operation. This is not possible when Copper Demon is running so be aware of this if you require every last bit of RAM. Note 3 -------- Due to the extra eye candy and higher resolution, the ADV version may not have enough chipram available to run certain AGA specific games. Users with only 2MB RAM and no fast will also face this problem. If this is the case, then reset the Amiga and hold both mouse buttons. From the startup menu that appears, select "Boot with no Startup-Sequence". This will take you to a CLI prompt. From here you can launch the game with full resources by first changing the prompt to the games directory (use "cd") and then finding the executable file with "dir" command. If a game requires an Icon to launch, use the command "WBRUN" before the games executable. End of service announcement ------------------------------------- All these issues will be fixed/addressed at some point down the line, including updated "readmes". Last edited by Bloodwych; 08 August 2003 at 16:04.

08 August 2003, 15:41	#27
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	^^^^^ Just added an extra note above for ClassicWB ADV users and those facing low chipram. All of this will be included in the updated readmes. It is possible to create a double startup-sequence where the mouse button(s) can be used to select a normal Workbench and a less memory intensive one. It causes many complications however, including problems with the ClassicWB install procedure. The ClassicWB FULL uses so little chipram this feature isn't worth adding. The ClassicWB ADV has enough chipram for the vast majority of programs and the very few that are affected can be run easily from CLI using the method described in note 3. Mouse startup progs include "mouse.lha" and "getmouseinput.lha" from Aminet. Other options apart from multiple startups are various utilities off Aminet. These can be used to create a RAD: drive in workbench then reset the Amiga and run the game. If you're interested take a look here. Examples are "Max_Reset_V1.5.lha", "ResetRun2.lha", "ResRun_V1.0.lha" and "ResRunV1_1.lha". Last edited by Bloodwych; 08 August 2003 at 16:24.

08 August 2003, 18:52	#28
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Another tip, yeah I've been updating the Tips & FAQ! At the start of the s/user-startup file, assigns were added so common folders could be accessed and referred to easily in file requesters, programs, CLI and ScalOS scripts. They are in the format "A-x", where "x" is the folder name. The prefix "A-" was added so they appear at the top of file requesters. If any of these folders differ in location (eg "Games" folder is on DH1: not DH0: ) then feel free to edit these assigns. Once edited, the popup menus will also be updated with the new location of a given folder as well as file requesters. Last edited by Bloodwych; 08 August 2003 at 20:16.

11 October 2003, 17:07	#32
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Since so many people seem to install the “bloatware free” Classic workbench then ruin it by placing os hack newicons over the top, I decided to play around with the idea of doing a newicon classic wb (of course the wb isn't exactly classic anymore once I change the way it handles icons.). Anyway, it ended up like this and as I thought it kills performance on 020s (not sure about 030s) and eats chipram for breakfast. Plus for the icons to look nice you have to run 64 colour screenmode. Hmmmm. Attached Thumbnails

04 August 2003, 22:47	#21
Unknown_K Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio/USA Age: 55 Posts: 1,380	I kept my A500 stock (well with a stock 512k ram upgrade) so I can play the old games. I will be loading this classic WB on my A1200 030 this week to try it out.

06 August 2003, 17:25	#24
Phiber Hardware Freak Join Date: May 2002 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 50 Posts: 222	Hmh.. I'd still like to see a WB 3.1 TV-resolution setup for my stock A600... :hoo

09 August 2003, 01:20	#29
Amiga1992 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: ? Posts: 19,645	Be on the lookout for my Workbench setup, available for your 2.0 amigas, sometime in the near future . I promised oince I would do it and I still want to,m but it's been ages since I last connected my A600. will start it up soon

11 October 2003, 17:35	#33
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	......and the copper version. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Bloodwych; 11 October 2003 at 17:43.

11 October 2003, 18:08	#34
rattus Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 328	erk... I honestly don't think that all those newicon sets floating around are worth it (they just make the workbench look like windows most of the time!) Bring back the CLASSIC Workbench! The only time I use newicons are for the pretty game-specific icons for WHD/JST installs; run fine in 16/32 color screenmode on an 030 (although they do look a bit stretched in PAL resolution - I would like to resize them myself but I can never be bothered)

11 October 2003, 18:11	#35
fisken uno Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Age: 43 Posts: 716	Agreed, these Newicons does NOT make the Classicwb look better. The look of it is as good as it needs to be.

13 October 2003, 13:43	#37
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Thanks for the input peeps - I won't bother finishing the newicon versions then. I guess it starts looking too much like os 3.9. In fact as you'll see below, I'm not big on workbench eye candy! All I want is something powerful but runs everything (including all AGA games) from workbench and will work on TVsets, so my setup on my A1200 is basic as can be, but classic. And as for game icons. You really should start making your own and here is a quick guide to pictureicon: 1. Load your game in winuae. Press the "printscreen" button on your PC keyboard when you see something you want to make an icon for. 2. Load up a paint prgram and "paste" the image. Save the image as a jpg (or other pictureicon friendly format). 3. Load up the ClassicWB in WinUAE and select "Pictureicon", as shown below. 4. Find the image saved in 2, and drag it onto the picticon. 5. Wait a few seconds and hey presto, a lovely game icon. 6. Change the settings to suit your needs. The icon shown below uses 8 colours only! You can force the magicwb palette as well although the icons do look a little bland. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Bloodwych; 13 October 2003 at 14:01.

13 October 2003, 16:28	#38
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,631	I would not want to go back to OS3.0, I like OS3.9 far too much, and I can still run WBVerlauf too :-) I suggest an OS3.9 version, that would be cool...

13 October 2003, 16:55	#39
fisken uno Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Sweden Age: 43 Posts: 716	Personally I prefer speed to "good looks". There's nothing wrong with 3.0 looks as long as wb is equally powerful and useful. If you want 3.9 looks, install 3.9!!

14 October 2003, 22:20	#40
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,631	Hmmm, point taken, but why OS3.0 and not for example OS3.1? IIRC OS3.1 is slightly faster than OS3.0 for some things...?

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