Premiere CD32 with audio tracks - Page 2

Mrz · 03 April 2019, 19:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

I can imagine a technique like this would be very cool for Turrican(2) where there are full studio remixes by the original composer available (if you own the CD).

why you want turrican 2 with remixed music ? the original music is fantastic and can't be enhanced

turrican 2 and 3 are the games which have the better music in all the history of videogames

jotd · 07 April 2019, 23:31

Okay, update: now you can burn on a disk and it works on a real console.

Took me all week but I'm proud to present the full version. See original post for instructions & limitations.

I'm currently witnessing the end screen on my real console after having successfully loaded & played all levels.

turrican3 · 08 April 2019, 02:49

Great work like usual j-f.

turrican + 1

ps : they are doing something like that on the snes.
Take a look : http://helmet.kafuka.org/msu1.htm

Wachi · 08 April 2019, 19:03

Now it works well on CD32.

Thank you for your great work....

jotd · 08 April 2019, 20:24

@Wachi my pleasure. You may have noticed that I included your CD printable label on the disc.
Now I can try Lemmings again, and other games.
@Turrican3 yes, looks like it. But the cool thing about the CD32 is that it's much more common & "standard".

turrican3 · 08 April 2019, 21:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

@Wachi my pleasure. You may have noticed that I included your CD printable label on the disc.
Now I can try Lemmings again, and other games.
@Turrican3 yes, looks like it. But the cool thing about the CD32 is that it's much more common & "standard".

Do thinl that there is no way for simple guy with a debuger to see when there is Paula calls and make a xml file like with snes msu1 ? I ask because it must be a huge work to make alone, if it could be a way to help you ???

Retroplay · 08 April 2019, 21:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by turrican3

ps : they are doing something like that on the snes.
Take a look : http://helmet.kafuka.org/msu1.htm

Perhaps this post might be of interest to you.

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=...3&postcount=22

Mrz · 08 April 2019, 21:30

btw,

the trainer here is not working
I keep pressed the blue button during boot but nothing happens, it start with 3 lives as usual

jotd · 08 April 2019, 21:37

Maybe you have to wait until the AmigaCD animation shows. Not sure. I have tested it from command line (not from CD boot) when booting from the TF on the CF card.

EDIT: tested from CD and it works. Press blue buttons when CD animation shows until "8th day" screen appears to be safe.

SKOLMAN_MWS · 09 April 2019, 00:14

I do not have PrismaMeamix, but this audio card can play mp3 files during the game.

turrican3 · 10 April 2019, 03:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by turrican3

Do thinl that there is no way for simple guy with a debuger to see when there is Paula calls and make a xml file like with snes msu1 ? I ask because it must be a huge work to make alone, if it could be a way to help you ???

Perhaps,but a way that could help jotd to not do everything alone could be call. I just hope that there is one way to help him more.

jotd · 14 April 2019, 22:55

This isn't the way to do such adaptations. You have to locate the main loop and the current level to play the proper music / monitor when the music isn't playing anymore to restart it.

Also monitor the "game over" routine to stop the music at this point.

This requires disassembling of the game and some reverse engineering, then code a .cdslave (study examples in CD32load package). Being familiar with how whdload works is a plus, since cdslaves use patchlists too.

For Premiere it was easy (not the CD loading itself which was hell, but the specific game adaptations, since the game is coded in a simple/trivial way)

For Marble Madness it was just hell (game coded in C, with events, not just music or sfx but music AND sfx, and music had to be removed, but not sfx)

It also requires a lot of testing, where levelskip & trainers become mandatory.

turrican3 · 15 April 2019, 01:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by jotd

This isn't the way to do such adaptations. You have to locate the main loop and the current level to play the proper music / monitor when the music isn't playing anymore to restart it.

Also monitor the "game over" routine to stop the music at this point.

This requires disassembling of the game and some reverse engineering, then code a .cdslave (study examples in CD32load package). Being familiar with how whdload works is a plus, since cdslaves use patchlists too.

For Premiere it was easy (not the CD loading itself which was hell, but the specific game adaptations, since the game is coded in a simple/trivial way)

For Marble Madness it was just hell (game coded in C, with events, not just music or sfx but music AND sfx, and music had to be removed, but not sfx)

It also requires a lot of testing, where levelskip & trainers become mandatory.

no way for me then !!! if only i could learn assembler.

malko · 15 April 2019, 01:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by turrican3

no way for me then !!! if only i could learn assembler.

Except if exists unknown reasons, why not

turrican3 · 18 April 2019, 22:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by malko

Except if exists unknown reasons, why not

Why not is my problem, in fact i have difficulty to understand the basics : like registers. It was often my problem, the basic things after when i understood the basic, it's more easy for me.
I know this sound strange, but it's the way that my brain work and since i have a tinnitus, it's even harder for me to learn new things !
But if someone could find a way to explain me really the basics of the amiga like registers, etc... perhaps with a draw, i'll come back to the books.

But alone i can't figure it out.

malko · 19 April 2019, 09:48

@turrican3: pm sent

turrican3 · 14 May 2019, 02:43

By the way jotd,
how difficult to adapt it to the amiga 1200 ?
I know the answered i received by the past ... Too much hardware possibilities...
But why not focusing on the most used, atapi, i suppose.
Could be done, no ??
I clearly don't really care, if it still just work on cd32, i'm more than happy...
but i think about all guys which don't have a cd32 and all the coders who don't cares because it is only for the cd32.
I'm sure if it worked on the amiga 1200 even just on atapi, more coders could help you with the slaves. And the one who doesn't use their cd-rom with atapi will perhaps try to make it work on there solution.
I know that this is once again a difficult job, but like said long time ago :
[ Show youtube player ]

edited : jotd, you should clean your mp boxe.

jotd · 14 May 2019, 21:50

The CD loading & play routines are CD32 specific, relying on AKIKO chipset (basereg=$B80000) so adapting that would need to rewrite the lowlevel sector read routines (for the data, but we could also read from HD, not the biggest issue)

CD audio play issue would remain. Adapting to ATAPI / other / CDTV could be done, but I think very few people could handle a hardware version of this (Toni, for sure since he wrote the CD32 audio player for CD32load, but that's still a lot of work)

SKOLMAN_MWS · 15 May 2019, 13:27

@turrican3

IDEfix97 has a simple CD32 emulator, which just emulates references to an optical drive in CD32, only of course the A1200 does not have an audio mixer, sound you have to mix it with an external hardware device or sound card. http://aminet.net/package/driver/media/IDEfix97

jotd · 15 May 2019, 23:44

IDEFix97 comes with rewritten cd.device. Not hardware level. Only CD games using cd.device (and generally having been rewritten to use the OS) would work. My audio enhanced games would not and there's no way to do that since the games take over the system.

08 April 2019, 21:37	#29
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,160	Maybe you have to wait until the AmigaCD animation shows. Not sure. I have tested it from command line (not from CD boot) when booting from the TF on the CF card. EDIT: tested from CD and it works. Press blue buttons when CD animation shows until "8th day" screen appears to be safe. Last edited by jotd; 19 April 2019 at 23:39.

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07 April 2019, 23:31	#22
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,160	Okay, update: now you can burn on a disk and it works on a real console. Took me all week but I'm proud to present the full version. See original post for instructions & limitations. I'm currently witnessing the end screen on my real console after having successfully loaded & played all levels.

08 April 2019, 02:49	#23
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	Great work like usual j-f. turrican + 1 ps : they are doing something like that on the snes. Take a look : http://helmet.kafuka.org/msu1.htm

08 April 2019, 19:03	#24
Wachi Registered User Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Madrid Posts: 141	Now it works well on CD32. Thank you for your great work....

08 April 2019, 20:24	#25
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,160	@Wachi my pleasure. You may have noticed that I included your CD printable label on the disc. Now I can try Lemmings again, and other games. @Turrican3 yes, looks like it. But the cool thing about the CD32 is that it's much more common & "standard".

08 April 2019, 21:30	#28
Mrz Banned Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: I Posts: 338	btw, the trainer here is not working I keep pressed the blue button during boot but nothing happens, it start with 3 lives as usual

09 April 2019, 00:14	#30
SKOLMAN_MWS Registered User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Poland Posts: 168	I do not have PrismaMeamix, but this audio card can play mp3 files during the game.

14 April 2019, 22:55	#32
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,160	This isn't the way to do such adaptations. You have to locate the main loop and the current level to play the proper music / monitor when the music isn't playing anymore to restart it. Also monitor the "game over" routine to stop the music at this point. This requires disassembling of the game and some reverse engineering, then code a .cdslave (study examples in CD32load package). Being familiar with how whdload works is a plus, since cdslaves use patchlists too. For Premiere it was easy (not the CD loading itself which was hell, but the specific game adaptations, since the game is coded in a simple/trivial way) For Marble Madness it was just hell (game coded in C, with events, not just music or sfx but music AND sfx, and music had to be removed, but not sfx) It also requires a lot of testing, where levelskip & trainers become mandatory.

19 April 2019, 09:48	#36
malko Ex nihilo nihil Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: CH Posts: 4,856	@turrican3: pm sent

14 May 2019, 02:43	#37
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	By the way jotd, how difficult to adapt it to the amiga 1200 ? I know the answered i received by the past ... Too much hardware possibilities... But why not focusing on the most used, atapi, i suppose. Could be done, no ?? I clearly don't really care, if it still just work on cd32, i'm more than happy... but i think about all guys which don't have a cd32 and all the coders who don't cares because it is only for the cd32. I'm sure if it worked on the amiga 1200 even just on atapi, more coders could help you with the slaves. And the one who doesn't use their cd-rom with atapi will perhaps try to make it work on there solution. I know that this is once again a difficult job, but like said long time ago : [ Show youtube player ] edited : jotd, you should clean your mp boxe.

14 May 2019, 21:50	#38
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,160	The CD loading & play routines are CD32 specific, relying on AKIKO chipset (basereg=$B80000) so adapting that would need to rewrite the lowlevel sector read routines (for the data, but we could also read from HD, not the biggest issue) CD audio play issue would remain. Adapting to ATAPI / other / CDTV could be done, but I think very few people could handle a hardware version of this (Toni, for sure since he wrote the CD32 audio player for CD32load, but that's still a lot of work)

15 May 2019, 13:27	#39
SKOLMAN_MWS Registered User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Poland Posts: 168	@turrican3 IDEfix97 has a simple CD32 emulator, which just emulates references to an optical drive in CD32, only of course the A1200 does not have an audio mixer, sound you have to mix it with an external hardware device or sound card. http://aminet.net/package/driver/media/IDEfix97

15 May 2019, 23:44	#40
jotd This cat is no more Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: FRANCE Age: 52 Posts: 8,160	IDEFix97 comes with rewritten cd.device. Not hardware level. Only CD games using cd.device (and generally having been rewritten to use the OS) would work. My audio enhanced games would not and there's no way to do that since the games take over the system.

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