Atari ST Demo ripped from Amiga

[Fred the Fop]

I remember seeing this run on an Atari St and boasting it could match an Amiga of the coders tried hard enough.

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[Frog]

nice trick

you can find the Unlimited bobs on Dragons Megademo

[heavy]

I know the music on the atari unlimited "sprites" !! alreadry heard on Amiga but I can't remember the name of the module/author, arglll! (it's a remake of Koto)
I'm sure I have this mod somewhere!

ps: ha, the famous "unlimited" bobs effect famous fake unlimited haha (8 screens swapping)

EDIT : Found! "Leave the brain" by frederik "Fab" andersen (1990)

[manicx]

Originally Posted by Fred the Duck

coders tried hard enough.

That was the magic in the Atari ST demo scene.

[Adropac2]

Originally Posted by manicx

That was the magic in the Atari ST demo scene.

That's probably quite true actually in the same way that i like to see A500 demos pushing hard to emulate some of what A1200 more easily achieves.More fasinating still is seeing even earlier machines like Spectrum or Vic20 pulling out magic as well.I could watch boundry pushing demos all day.

[NLS]

or see C64 demos and games built 10 years ago and compare them to 20 years ago

sometimes it is like a different machine entirely

[Adropac2]

Yup that's also interesting

[DigitalQuirk]

Originally Posted by Adropac2

That's probably quite true actually in the same way that i like to see A500 demos pushing hard to emulate some of what A1200 more easily achieves.More fasinating still is seeing even earlier machines like Spectrum or Vic20 pulling out magic as well.I could watch boundry pushing demos all day.

You mean, like Robotic Liberation on an unexpanded Vic 20:

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Definitely the best computer demo I've ever seen; the fact that it runs on an unexpanded Vic 20 is unbelievable but true! Speech synthesis? Smoothly animated high res multi-coloured graphics? My favourite part, though, is the theme.

"All Mechanical creatures
Under humiliation
Combine together and fight for
Robotic Liberation"

I'm waiting for my Vic 20 to turn on me...

[NLS]

YOU GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!

WHERE is the jaw-dropping smillie??????

[chiark]

GOOD GRIEF!

If you've never seen (moreover heard) the Robotic liberation track linked by Digital Quirk, do so right now.

There's only a few times I'm impressed by the cleverness of coders in squeezing the last bit out of a machine, and this is one of 'em. Hats off, that is astounding.

[Frog]

there's also some Amiga demo ripped from Atari ST.

a good example Jochen Hippel Sound Demo

[Stefan Lindberg]

Afaik most demo stuff on the ST is from Amiga.

[NLS]

(those that could be ported)

[manicx]

Originally Posted by DigitalQuirk

You mean, like Robotic Liberation on an unexpanded Vic 20:

[ Show youtube player ]

Definitely the best computer demo I've ever seen; the fact that it runs on an unexpanded Vic 20 is unbelievable but true! Speech synthesis? Smoothly animated high res multi-coloured graphics? My favourite part, though, is the theme.

"All Mechanical creatures
Under humiliation
Combine together and fight for
Robotic Liberation"

I'm waiting for my Vic 20 to turn on me...

I saw the guy demonstrating Robotic Warrior in Alternative Party in 2003. All I can say is that the majority of people were not prepared for what they saw. At the end, the whole theater was clapping and screaming. It was the most memorable computer moment I experienced.

[mrbob2]

I remember a demo on the speccy (a magazine coverdisk i think) YS or SU and it showed thousands of colourerd dots on the screen apparently getting around the hardware colour clash limitation. It was things like this that always amazed me. Unfortunately this was at the end of the speccys life. If it was at the beginning, who knows what wonders would have been made. Do people still do things like that with speccy hardware? it would be interesting to see what people can do with 2008 ideas&knowledge on 1983 hardware.

[Graham Humphrey]

I don't think it will ever be possible to push the hardware that far at the beginning of a machine's life; it takes years to learn all the little quirks and things of the hardware. That's why people still manage to push machines seemingly beyond their limits, even now.

[Zetr0]

Originally Posted by DigitalQuirk

You mean, like Robotic Liberation on an unexpanded Vic 20:

[ Show youtube player ]

Definitely the best computer demo I've ever seen; the fact that it runs on an unexpanded Vic 20 is unbelievable but true! Speech synthesis? Smoothly animated high res multi-coloured graphics? My favourite part, though, is the theme.

"All Mechanical creatures
Under humiliation
Combine together and fight for
Robotic Liberation"

I'm waiting for my Vic 20 to turn on me...

I think i should add my

*FUCK ME*

to the cause...

damn impressive for a VIC-20 no less....

i do remember a 20 second very badly digitized song from tina turner (i can't stand the rain) on the C64... but it had no visuals that i remember...

[Frog]

Originally Posted by Stefan Lindberg

Afaik most demo stuff on the ST is from Amiga.

is it a joke ?

sometimes they use some mods/fonts from Amiga but they do some original effect of course.
Of course, they've done some remake of some famous Amiga Demos (D.O.C demos for example) just to proove they can done them.

But for example most of ST demos feature a "Main Menu" which looks like a mini game, it's a classic on ST but not at all on Amiga.

[DigitalQuirk]

Originally Posted by mrbob2

I remember a demo on the speccy (a magazine coverdisk i think) YS or SU and it showed thousands of colourerd dots on the screen apparently getting around the hardware colour clash limitation. It was things like this that always amazed me. Unfortunately this was at the end of the speccys life. If it was at the beginning, who knows what wonders would have been made. Do people still do things like that with speccy hardware? it would be interesting to see what people can do with 2008 ideas&knowledge on 1983 hardware.

Quite often, these kind of demos require every aspect of the computer focused just to create that demo, leaving no room to actually do anything useful with it. For instance, consider Impossiblator 3:

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Further on in the video, we see a 3D view of a roadway which appears as though it would make for a great racing style game. Unfortunately, this demo pushes the Vic 20 hardware to the point where having a user-controlled image on the screen would be impossible; even if it was a simple box with only two directions.

With regards to the Spectrum, it's possible that this "Trick" to get around the hardware colour clash limitation works okay for coloured dots on the screen, but may present further limitations if you were to actually create a recognizable picture with it.

One computer that I think was really underutilized was the Commodore 16/Plus 4 duo. These two were capable of so much untapped potential; had they been further developed, I'd bet they could've competed with 16 bit systems:

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[Stefan Lindberg]

Originally Posted by Frog

is it a joke ?
sometimes they use some mods/fonts from Amiga but they do some original effect of course.
Of course, they've done some remake of some famous Amiga Demos (D.O.C demos for example) just to proove they can done them.
But for example most of ST demos feature a "Main Menu" which looks like a mini game, it's a classic on ST but not at all on Amiga.

Yes just as you mentionen there is original stuff aswell but most is probably based on C-64 and Amiga effects.
The "main menu" is great and is what makes the ST demoscene unique.