Amiga 4000 - Black Screen

[WStyle]

Hello,

I'm working now sind some weeks on a Amiga 4000 Rev B Board.
I cleaned up the Varta damage and replaced the ICs in the area.

Checked all traces. Everything is fine. But I still get a black screen.
No Serial output with DiagROM. Tested another CPU Card. Same problem.
PSU and Voltages are okay. 15KHz at RGB out and 50Hz is okay.
Reset does not go from LOW to High.

The PowerLED does not "brighten" up. It still stays constant.

Any other clues what I can measure or test?

[cpiac64]

test chip ricoh for verify if signal "power good " is ok (high)

[Hedeon]

Correct jumper settings (INT/EXT) for the CPU board.

[WStyle]

- INT/EXT already checked. Is on INT.
- Ricoh unsoldered cause I heard it should work without
- PowerGood only 1,28V instead of 5V

[Hedeon]

3630?

Just asking as there is a lot of false info floating about. Even now on Amiga.org somebody linked the jumpers to cpu instead of cpu card (The A3000T thread)

[Vypr]

By 'Power Good' are you referring to the _FAIL signal? it should be around 5V,if not something is pulling it down.
_FAIL signal feeds into Pin 2 on the Ricoh, Pin 15 on Ramsey and Pin 56 on Gary, if it's not 5V then the Amiga won't initilize. I had a similar issue on an A3000 where someone had replaced a cap with the wrong one (Had a 47uF instead of a 470uF)
There's no cap on this line that I can see so the only other component is R175 which should be a 470 ohm resistor.
First thing to do is chekc you are actually getting 5V from the PSU

[WStyle]

Yes A3630.

So, checked everything again. On Ricoh Pin2 only 1.2V.
Checked R175. 470Ohm is correct.

5V is fine on PSU. Tested other PSU too.

Dont know what to do next... :-(

[cpiac64]

force 5 volt on pin 18 of ricoh, use a diode 1n4007

[WStyle]

Originally Posted by cpiac64

force 5 volt on pin 18 of ricoh, use a diode 1n4007

Forced.

There is a Diode between D178 and Pin 18.

Input on Diode between D178 hast 4,99V, Output 4.77V.
Input of my new Diode from Pin18 has 4.73V and on Pin2 I can measure 3.86V.

I can measure this 3.86V on the PowerGood at PSU Connector too.

Nothing changed. Still blackscreen.

[quantum8]

How are the signals around U975 & U976?

These can commonly die and caused similar issues on my 4000. Booted right up after replacing them.

[WStyle]

Hello,

I unsoldered and sanded the whole area and checked after this all traces and repaired some.

Most ICs are NEW.

[DigitalKeeper]

Ramsey (U890) - Pin 15 (PWRUP) -> _FAIL MUST be at min. +4.8 Volt

AND

Gary (U150) - Pin 56 (Powerup) -> _FAIL MUST be at min.+4,8 Volt

if not -> the Board won't boot

check the Power Connector's for Oxyd/Black Surfaces, and if there is no space between the plug and the connector; often there are shacky/waggly




Next "thing" - ya wrote "...Reset is Low..."

Check the Adress- and Data Lines for broken/corroded traces; in most cases -> at U975 & U976 the Area "looks" good, but it doesn't good -> that means - BOTH - Sides -> Top and Bottom

Check, if the "MDAT" Line comes up -> look and check the Traces from U975 Pin 13 to Lisa Pin 20 - if this Line/Signal is not present - Lisa get "stuck" and System won't boot

[WStyle]

Hello DigitalKeeper,

I forced 5V and nothing changed.
Pin15 Ramsey and Pin56 Gary gets the 5V after forcing too.

PowerConnector is in good condition. Measured a lot of times.

Checked area U975 and U976 now a lot of times. Measured the traces to next target. Everything looks fine :-(

MDAT Signal is "weird". But maybe I'm too dumb to configure my osciloscope correctly :-(

U975 Pin13 (MDAT) to Lisa Pin20 measured. No problems.

[MastaMagoo]

Hey WStyle,
Is there an outcome of this story? Is your Amiga working again or did you put it aside? I know, this is a 3 year old post, but I encounter the exact same issue as you did and wonder, if you found the solution to it.
Thanks anyway for the good work, that helped me to check many things already.

Cheers!

[Kin Hell]

Originally Posted by WStyle

Hello DigitalKeeper,

I forced 5V and nothing changed.
Pin15 Ramsey and Pin56 Gary gets the 5V after forcing too.

PowerConnector is in good condition. Measured a lot of times.

Checked area U975 and U976 now a lot of times. Measured the traces to next target. Everything looks fine :-(

MDAT Signal is "weird". But maybe I'm too dumb to configure my osciloscope correctly :-(

U975 Pin13 (MDAT) to Lisa Pin20 measured. No problems.

Originally Posted by MastaMagoo

Hey WStyle,
Is there an outcome of this story? Is your Amiga working again or did you put it aside? I know, this is a 3 year old post, but I encounter the exact same issue as you did and wonder, if you found the solution to it.
Thanks anyway for the good work, that helped me to check many things already.

Cheers!

Re-Amiga time.....

[MastaMagoo]

Originally Posted by Kin Hell

Re-Amiga time.....

I'm having too many projects up at the moment: BFG9060, Freeway Triton USB, MegaloDOS, Raemixx500 and some smaller stuff - no chance without a second myself... :-)
I will try further and possibly, I will find the issue. ReAmiga is always an option after giving up... Cheers!

[RetroPassionUK]

Originally Posted by Boing-Ball

Ignore Kin Hell….

He wants you to spend money with his buddy Retropassion so he can get his 10% commission….

Good luck with your fault finding.

Jonathan P, the more you post in this way the more you show who you really are :-)

JPOR - Banned
Leon Besson - Banned
Boing-Ball - it's only a matter of time.

But it's fine, any sales you interfere with, your making up yourself out of your very own pocket anyway.

[TCD]

Originally Posted by RetroPassionUK

JPOR - Banned
Leon Besson - Banned
Boing-Ball - it's only a matter of time.

A short time. Just leaving this here in case somebody wonders what happened to said person's posts.

[RetroPassionUK]

Originally Posted by TCD

A short time. Just leaving this here in case somebody wonders what happened to said person's posts.

Thank you TCD.

[Kin Hell]

Originally Posted by RetroPassionUK

Jonathan P, the more you post in this way the more you show who you really are :-)

JPOR - Banned
Leon Besson - Banned
Boing-Ball - it's only a matter of time.

But it's fine, any sales you interfere with, your making up yourself out of your very own pocket anyway.

Originally Posted by TCD

A short time. Just leaving this here in case somebody wonders what happened to said person's posts.

Thx TCD.