Ishar 2 AGA & WHDLoad crash

Chain · 28 December 2008, 22:48

Thorm´s Island, part where girl Zeldy (daughter of Commander from Zach´s Island) is hidden.

Ishar2AGA, slave 1.3a (CFOU!), WHDLoad 16.8.4231, from KG´s pack. (also crashes with IPF files, so probably no slave bug)

Symptoms:
Game stops responding, mouse moves, only quitkey (F10) works.
"Step forward" button stays down.

Saves are below:
crash2.sav - blue point on map
crash3.sav - as far as i can go, but after load it crashes immediately.

http://chain.3dgrafika.cz/amiga/isha...rash_saves.zip

dlfrsilver · 28 December 2008, 23:18

do you use winuae or the real machine ?

Chain · 29 December 2008, 00:03

real A1200+Blizz1230

it crashes also under winuae (1.5.3), and also while playing from ipf disks, sooooo

SHIT!

edit: sometimes it shows
http://chain.3dgrafika.cz/temp/bug_asi.jpg
but after visit a tavern it dissapears

dlfrsilver · 29 December 2008, 02:02

can you test the save in an ADF, and then load them will the game on ADF ?

This will tell us if the game has a bug, or if it's due to the whdload slave

I'm very sorry to tell you that after playing from the floppies, it seems to be a bug of the game

meaning that it won't work if not corrected.....

To get into details, it's seems to be related to a sprites problem (misplaced sprites => needs to be checked).

Chain · 29 December 2008, 10:50

save is usable in OCS version, so ive finished this area in this version (from floppys)

game still sometime fails on "blah blah Exception number xxxx", thats a slave bug ?

Retro-Nerd · 29 December 2008, 11:59

Sounds like a slave bug. Have you sent a bug report to CFOU?

Chain · 29 December 2008, 13:34

Im already too old for that probably

Retro-Nerd · 29 December 2008, 13:36

LOL, too old for sending a bug report?

dlfrsilver · 29 December 2008, 14:59

I have sent a bug error yesterday to CFOU. What's horrible is that this bug cripples
the original version

This means that the AGA version can't be finished :'(

Chain · 29 December 2008, 16:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

LOL, too old for sending a bug report?

you must read it as "old and tired of sending bug reports, testing while it will not change anything"

which reminds me - ECS version correctly says DF0 while saving, and that carpy aga versions want disk in drive A (or B). drive B cannot be used for loading/saving, drive A works like DF0. stupid pc conversion i say.

i simply tried to finish this game on holidays, bah, no way. time to kill some enemies in chaos engine

Shoonay · 29 December 2008, 16:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chain

you must read it as "old and tired of sending bug reports, testing while it will not change anything"

Think of it this way: If everybody was thinking like that we wouldn't had a single working WHDLoad game

Erm... not that the slave coders can't write a proper slave, I mean by that, that is... uhmmm... bye for now...

dlfrsilver · 29 December 2008, 17:48

I must get in contact with CFOU!

i'll chat with him about this problem

Chain · 29 December 2008, 18:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5h00n4y

Think of it this way: If everybody was thinking like that we wouldn't had a single working WHDLoad game

try to find a thread about buggy whd games in KG packs, there are few games reported from me, years ago, which are still unplayable

nobody bother even to test it (im suspicious like they dont trust me or what, with themepark in example)

Shoonay · 29 December 2008, 18:39

You take this too personally imho, my Czech friend

This could be only a simple case of no-timeous-havingoos or stuff like that.

I remember reading your Theme Park thread but I never had that problem... or never played long enough... :/
Could you point me to some of those other threads of yours?
All I can do is test them, but there's a tiny little possibility there this might help in some way

mailman · 29 December 2008, 18:41

I finished this game using WHDLoad many times. No crashes. Although I don't remember which version of the slave I use. I need to check it.

dlfrsilver · 29 December 2008, 20:18

must the ECS version mailman. This AGA version bugs also on my real A1200

Or can it be a copy protection problem related ? Only CFOU! can tell us

We could ask Toni Wilen to have a little look where it fails via a savestate....

Toni, if we post a savestate here, can you hint us on the problem we met ?

thanks !

mailman · 29 December 2008, 21:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

must the ECS version mailman. This AGA version bugs also on my real A1200

Nope. AGA version. ECS I played on my A500 from floppies in summer 1996

Quote:

Or can it be a copy protection problem related ? Only CFOU! can tell us

If so, then it could be that it is unsupported version or cracked one.

dlfrsilver · 29 December 2008, 21:26

i'm talking about the preserved version by SPS. I have tested it on my real A1200, and
the bug is there.....

mailman · 29 December 2008, 22:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

i'm talking about the preserved version by SPS. I have tested it on my real A1200, and
the bug is there.....

Well, I'm talking about original floppy version I installed using WHDLoad. It's pretty much the same but somewhere's the difference

dlfrsilver · 30 December 2008, 00:33

i got an answer from CFOU, and explained him the whole thing. I wait for his answer.

28 December 2008, 22:48	#1
Chain A-Collector, repairments Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Czech Rep. Age: 50 Posts: 1,536	Ishar 2 AGA crash Thorm´s Island, part where girl Zeldy (daughter of Commander from Zach´s Island) is hidden. Ishar2AGA, slave 1.3a (CFOU!), WHDLoad 16.8.4231, from KG´s pack. (also crashes with IPF files, so probably no slave bug) Symptoms: Game stops responding, mouse moves, only quitkey (F10) works. "Step forward" button stays down. Saves are below: crash2.sav - blue point on map crash3.sav - as far as i can go, but after load it crashes immediately. http://chain.3dgrafika.cz/amiga/isha...rash_saves.zip Last edited by Chain; 29 December 2008 at 00:41.

29 December 2008, 00:03	#3
Chain A-Collector, repairments Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Czech Rep. Age: 50 Posts: 1,536	real A1200+Blizz1230 it crashes also under winuae (1.5.3), and also while playing from ipf disks, sooooo SHIT! edit: sometimes it shows http://chain.3dgrafika.cz/temp/bug_asi.jpg but after visit a tavern it dissapears Last edited by Chain; 29 December 2008 at 00:09.

29 December 2008, 02:02	#4
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,436	can you test the save in an ADF, and then load them will the game on ADF ? This will tell us if the game has a bug, or if it's due to the whdload slave I'm very sorry to tell you that after playing from the floppies, it seems to be a bug of the game meaning that it won't work if not corrected..... To get into details, it's seems to be related to a sprites problem (misplaced sprites => needs to be checked). Last edited by dlfrsilver; 29 December 2008 at 02:59.

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28 December 2008, 23:18	#2
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,436	do you use winuae or the real machine ?

29 December 2008, 10:50	#5
Chain A-Collector, repairments Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Czech Rep. Age: 50 Posts: 1,536	save is usable in OCS version, so ive finished this area in this version (from floppys) game still sometime fails on "blah blah Exception number xxxx", thats a slave bug ?

29 December 2008, 11:59	#6
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,449	Sounds like a slave bug. Have you sent a bug report to CFOU?

29 December 2008, 13:34	#7
Chain A-Collector, repairments Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Czech Rep. Age: 50 Posts: 1,536	Im already too old for that probably

29 December 2008, 13:36	#8
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,449	LOL, too old for sending a bug report?

29 December 2008, 14:59	#9
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,436	I have sent a bug error yesterday to CFOU. What's horrible is that this bug cripples the original version This means that the AGA version can't be finished :'(

29 December 2008, 17:48	#12
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,436	I must get in contact with CFOU! i'll chat with him about this problem

29 December 2008, 18:39	#14
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,107	You take this too personally imho, my Czech friend This could be only a simple case of no-timeous-havingoos or stuff like that. I remember reading your Theme Park thread but I never had that problem... or never played long enough... :/ Could you point me to some of those other threads of yours? All I can do is test them, but there's a tiny little possibility there this might help in some way

29 December 2008, 18:41	#15
mailman Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Warsaw/Poland Age: 45 Posts: 2,431	I finished this game using WHDLoad many times. No crashes. Although I don't remember which version of the slave I use. I need to check it.

29 December 2008, 20:18	#16
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,436	must the ECS version mailman. This AGA version bugs also on my real A1200 Or can it be a copy protection problem related ? Only CFOU! can tell us We could ask Toni Wilen to have a little look where it fails via a savestate.... Toni, if we post a savestate here, can you hint us on the problem we met ? thanks !

29 December 2008, 21:26	#18
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,436	i'm talking about the preserved version by SPS. I have tested it on my real A1200, and the bug is there.....

30 December 2008, 00:33	#20
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,436	i got an answer from CFOU, and explained him the whole thing. I wait for his answer.

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