Remove newicons..?

8bitbubsy · 15 October 2009, 23:05

I installed ClassicWB (I love it !) ADVSP on my A1200 some moments back in time (030 50MHz 32MB RAM - 640x480 indivision), but I find it utterly slow. 64 color-icons, what on earth was I thinking? If I turn the colors to 8 or 16 (aah), the icons are so ugly they SCREAM for attention.

So, here I ask today: Is there an easy way to remove the newicons, so I get the old, simple ones back? I can't be arsed to do a new install, I don't have any CD-ROM drive, and the only way is to struggle with the CF PCMCIA adapter, or open the Amiga and pick out the CF card, then grab a lot of stuff and wires to connect it to my PC, then...

Graham Humphrey · 15 October 2009, 23:07

Doesn't NewIcons install itself in the startup-sequence? Surely all you have to do is remove its entry in there and you should be back to normal...?

TCD · 15 October 2009, 23:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham Humphrey

Doesn't NewIcons install itself in the startup-sequence? Surely all you have to do is remove its entry in there and you should be back to normal...?

Yep, just comment 'run <>NIL: c:newicons' out by adding a ';' at the start of the line.

8bitbubsy · 15 October 2009, 23:15

I already commented that one out, found it some days ago, in happiness. But then it all came down to anger and agony when it didn't do jack shit!

Bloodwych · 15 October 2009, 23:17

I'm surprised it's so slow on a 030, as fizsteve recently showed me how fast ADV SP was on a basic 020 with just Fastram!!! See here:

[ Show youtube player ]

Unless Youtube has sped up the frame rate. I was surprised he was willing to run ADV SP on an 020, as I normally recommend ADV or below using normal icons for performance reasons.

Something seems wrong - it shouldn't be that slow on an 030 50Mhz. Have you got FBlit and iconbefast enabled from the Settings or Tools menu?

To update the icons, you'd have to make an icon pack yourself in WinUAE. Literally use Dopus or shell to copy over all the ".info" files to another directory/HDF file, zip it up, then unzip it on-top of your install. It will overwrite all the newicons with standard old icons.

A bit messy, but it should work.

TCD · 15 October 2009, 23:18

Hmm, no newicons here anymore when this is commented out. Did you change you screen mode back to 16 colours aswell?

8bitbubsy · 15 October 2009, 23:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

I'm surprised it's so slow on a 030, as fizsteve recently showed me how fast ADV SP was on a basic 020 with just Fastram!!! See here:

[ Show youtube player ]

Unless Youtube has sped up the frame rate. I was surprised he was willing to run ADV SP on an 020, as I normally recommend ADV or below using normal icons for performance reasons.

Something seems wrong - it shouldn't be that slow on an 030 50Mhz. Have you got FBlit and iconbefast enabled from the Settings or tools menu?

To update the icons, you'd have to make an icon pack yourself in WinUAE. Literally use Dopus or shell to copy over all the ".info" files to another directory/HDF file, zip it up, then unzip it on-top of your install. It will overwrite all the newicons with standard old icons.

A bit messy, but it should work.

Fblit, ftext, BlazeWCP and IconsBeFast are enabled...
I run NTSC High-Res Interlaced 720x482, 64 colors. (Indivision AGA 1200)...

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Hmm, no newicons here anymore when this is commented out. Did you change you screen mode back to 16 colours aswell?

Let me have an extra look in the startup files agian, then I'll report back.
REPORT: Looked in both s:startup-sequence and s:user-startup - no NewIcon execution there... I guess I really *did* remove it, and cried afteron.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

[ Show youtube player ]

No offense, but I find that very slow/sloppy :/
8 colors in 640x480 is perfect, I need some new icons with minimalistic colors!

Bloodwych · 15 October 2009, 23:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Yep, just comment 'run <>NIL: c:newicons' out by adding a ';' at the start of the line.

ClassicWB runs Scalos - newicons can't be disabled and if they were, he'd be left with dots and no icons!

Thorham · 15 October 2009, 23:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

Something seems wrong - it shouldn't be that slow on an 030 50Mhz. Have you got FBlit and iconbefast enabled from the Settings or Tools menu?

Indeed, use FBlit, and turn on the RTG option in the NewIcons prefs (only works with FBlit if you only have AGA). I use it that way, and it's not slow at all.

TCD · 15 October 2009, 23:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

ClassicWB runs Scalos - newicons can't be disabled and if they were, he'd be left with dots and no icons!

Yep, I have dots here now

Bloodwych · 15 October 2009, 23:26

Thorham, FBlit is powering the icons and Scalos windows as I've just confirmed with 8bitbubsy it's enabled above. The RTG option isn't required in Scalos. It is used by default in the pure Workbench boot option.

Strange 8bitbubsy, shouldn't be running painfully slow if it's that fast with an 020. Just simulated a slower CPU in WinUAE, it's also quite fast. Don't understand.

8bitbubsy · 15 October 2009, 23:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thorham

Indeed, use FBlit, and turn on the RTG option in the NewIcons prefs (only works with FBlit if you only have AGA). I use it that way, and it's not slow at all.

Heh, RTG mode was disabled. I enabled it.. Seems a bit faster! Maybe placebo?

Well, still a bit sloppy.. Get alot of "traces" from delayed window closings..

BTW: NewIcons is still removed from user-startup... Should I put it back in?

Bloodwych · 15 October 2009, 23:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheCyberDruid

Yep, I have dots here now

What Workbench are you using CyberD!!!! Surely one of mine? Yes

Bloodwych · 15 October 2009, 23:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8bitbubsy

BTW: NewIcons is still removed from user-startup... Should I put it back in?

It's not in the user-startup file? It's in the WBboot-Sequence?

Are you using an older version? This could get confusing.

TCD · 15 October 2009, 23:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

What Workbench are you using CyberD!!!! Surely one of mine? Yes

Er... I have two of yours ready if you mean that

Bloodwych · 15 October 2009, 23:46

I'm drinking beer, this could get very confusing actually.

8bitbubsy · 15 October 2009, 23:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

It's not in the user-startup file? It's in the WBboot-Sequence?

Are you using an older version? This could get confusing.

No, I removed it myself... I'm not sure how the command goes again... I think it was more than just "C:NewIcons"... Oww, my memory is so bad albeit my young age

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bloodwych

I'm drinking beer, this could get very confusing actually.

Hey! Didn't your mom teach you to share?

What brand? I love beer

Bloodwych · 15 October 2009, 23:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thorham

Indeed, use FBlit, and turn on the RTG option in the NewIcons prefs (only works with FBlit if you only have AGA). I use it that way, and it's not slow at all.

Actually I lied. You do need RTG enabled even in Scalos. It is enabled by default in the packs however, not sure why is was disabled in 8bitbubsy's case, so leave it enabled 8bitbubsy as it is faster!

8bitbubsy · 15 October 2009, 23:51

Yep, I disabled RTG myself because I read somewhere that it only worked with graphics cards like Picasso etc... Well, now it is enabled again.

Look!! A three-headed monkey:
Should I still append the C:NewIcons to one of my startup-files, as I removed it earlier?

Bloodwych · 15 October 2009, 23:57

Not in a sharing mood. My Beer. MY BEER! I'm drinking nothing special, just Budvar Budweiser - those big bottles brewed over in Czech.

Anyway, not to get off track and answer your original question - see my first answer, you'd need to make your own icon pack by copying over all the ".info" files.

Check what version you're running 8bitbubsy - is it v24? The most recent?

I don't remember the ADVSP having newicons in the user-startup. It doesn't require it for Scalos.

15 October 2009, 23:05	#1
8bitbubsy Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 1,710	Remove newicons..? I installed ClassicWB (I love it !) ADVSP on my A1200 some moments back in time (030 50MHz 32MB RAM - 640x480 indivision), but I find it utterly slow. 64 color-icons, what on earth was I thinking? If I turn the colors to 8 or 16 (aah), the icons are so ugly they SCREAM for attention. So, here I ask today: Is there an easy way to remove the newicons, so I get the old, simple ones back? I can't be arsed to do a new install, I don't have any CD-ROM drive, and the only way is to struggle with the CF PCMCIA adapter, or open the Amiga and pick out the CF card, then grab a lot of stuff and wires to connect it to my PC, then...

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15 October 2009, 23:07	#2
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,167	Doesn't NewIcons install itself in the startup-sequence? Surely all you have to do is remove its entry in there and you should be back to normal...?

15 October 2009, 23:15	#4
8bitbubsy Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 1,710	I already commented that one out, found it some days ago, in happiness. But then it all came down to anger and agony when it didn't do jack shit!

15 October 2009, 23:17	#5
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	I'm surprised it's so slow on a 030, as fizsteve recently showed me how fast ADV SP was on a basic 020 with just Fastram!!! See here: [ Show youtube player ] Unless Youtube has sped up the frame rate. I was surprised he was willing to run ADV SP on an 020, as I normally recommend ADV or below using normal icons for performance reasons. Something seems wrong - it shouldn't be that slow on an 030 50Mhz. Have you got FBlit and iconbefast enabled from the Settings or Tools menu? To update the icons, you'd have to make an icon pack yourself in WinUAE. Literally use Dopus or shell to copy over all the ".info" files to another directory/HDF file, zip it up, then unzip it on-top of your install. It will overwrite all the newicons with standard old icons. A bit messy, but it should work.

15 October 2009, 23:18	#6
TCD HOL/FTP busy bee Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Germany Age: 46 Posts: 31,527	Hmm, no newicons here anymore when this is commented out. Did you change you screen mode back to 16 colours aswell?

15 October 2009, 23:26	#11
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Thorham, FBlit is powering the icons and Scalos windows as I've just confirmed with 8bitbubsy it's enabled above. The RTG option isn't required in Scalos. It is used by default in the pure Workbench boot option. Strange 8bitbubsy, shouldn't be running painfully slow if it's that fast with an 020. Just simulated a slower CPU in WinUAE, it's also quite fast. Don't understand.

15 October 2009, 23:46	#16
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	I'm drinking beer, this could get very confusing actually.

15 October 2009, 23:51	#19
8bitbubsy Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Norway Posts: 1,710	Yep, I disabled RTG myself because I read somewhere that it only worked with graphics cards like Picasso etc... Well, now it is enabled again. Look!! A three-headed monkey: Should I still append the C:NewIcons to one of my startup-files, as I removed it earlier?

15 October 2009, 23:57	#20
Bloodwych Moderator Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: I'm behind you! Posts: 3,763	Not in a sharing mood. My Beer. MY BEER! I'm drinking nothing special, just Budvar Budweiser - those big bottles brewed over in Czech. Anyway, not to get off track and answer your original question - see my first answer, you'd need to make your own icon pack by copying over all the ".info" files. Check what version you're running 8bitbubsy - is it v24? The most recent? I don't remember the ADVSP having newicons in the user-startup. It doesn't require it for Scalos.

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