Prince de perse aka Prince of persia

dlfrsilver · 10 January 2005, 16:27

hello,

RCK this one is for you, there is something wrong with a note for this
game : Domark is not the french market seller/distributor, in france

broderbund france was represented by Microids for translation/distribution.

see ya !!!

PS : i join pictures of Prince de Perse from my CAPS n°2290

RCK · 10 January 2005, 17:02

It should be correct! source ?

dlfrsilver · 10 January 2005, 17:26

Source ? Read Joystick magazine, there is info about that in it but i don't remember
which one. Microids was the french seller distributor, it's a fact.

the US version was sold by Broderbund USA, the french game was licensed to sell
by microids under Broderbund France label, and Domark was licensed for distribution
in england. I just don't know about german one.

see ya !

RCK · 10 January 2005, 18:03

héhé

Thanks Fixed !
http://hol.abime.net/?id=4125

andreas · 11 January 2005, 10:44

Ooops...gotta jump in here for a second.
Thanks dlfrsilver for the good eyes ... BUT ... if and only if Microids was distributor *AND* publisher in France, "Microids" as publisher will be correct.
To my knowledge, Domark published *and* distributed the game in UK.
But I do not know whether Microids published the game as well in France.
Companies that solely distribute games (e. g. LEADER in Italy!) will never appear in the Publisher field in HOL; if this happens, it is wrong and must be fixed

As we're here:
there's some missing information in HOL still.
(My fault, but I simply don't know enough yet.

)

Because, "Prince de Perse" was actually sold on TWO compilations in France (thanks must go to WHD installer author JOTD for supporting his fairly grubby ;-)
great disk scan as an invaluable proof!):

[1] Le temps des héros
[2] Super Héros

The second compilation was sold on Ebay France, so both the existence of this game and the contents of the compilation are now 100% verified.
Compilation #1, however, seems hard to find.

BTW I already asked JOTD about the information discrepancy in his WHD readme and the information on the CAPS entry for #2290, but got no reply anymore.

Please look:

Quote:

(French version "Le temps des heros" compil, IPF ID 2290)

(from the readme)

and here's the CAPS entry...

One of those information texts MUST be wrong here.

Who can safely say whether the version from the Super Héros compilation is indeed IDENTICAL to the one from the Le temps des héros compilation?!
Both information texts are mutually exclusive to some extent, hence I smell something fishy about -at least- one of them.

Any clues?! fiath? IFW?

fiath · 11 January 2005, 14:05

No idea. Perhaps JOTD has both and found they were the same...

dlfrsilver · 11 January 2005, 15:11

PS andreas, caps 2290 was made from my original disk !!!

JOTD got my caps to be supported......
Hello in fact i own :
- le temps des héros version,
- NRJ compilation vol.4 version (modified and so refused because there was a save game on it)
- super héros version.

I own 4-5 original disks versions of the game which i bought for 3-4 ones from an old amiga reseller called IFA located in french department 59 (north of france).
these version were replacement disks he has on palettes :-D

by the way all the french versions are the same, Prince de perse V1.0 translated/distributed by microids under the banner Broderbund France.

A nice way with rawdic installer, when you have a different version it doesn't
install and that's why we have to MFMWARP the disks and send them to be supported.

For example i own the retail version of Carcharodon which is unsupported by Galahad whdload install at the moment and unsupported by caps as stated. Ziriax is also concerned, as my version is alternate again and is not supported by whdload install......(my god ! What the hell i got all these ones ? why me huh ??? :-D).

At last the thing i love the most is that games installer are a good way to know if the original is working or failing. If it's right, you can install, if the disk is errored, it crash
or get a no sync found and then pfffftt exit.

PS i join disks scans made from my disks for you to check

andreas · 12 January 2005, 00:02

Thanks!

Whee, now that is a LOT of stuff to go thru!

First the one on the left ... is this a FRENCH one too?!
(with 'NIVEAU' instead of 'LEVEL' when you start the game, but English title screen

)

Infogrames doesn't yet appear in HOL at all as publisher or distributor, so I guess from the pic that Infogrames too published the French version in France?!

Last thing:
can you SWEAR that the 'temps des héros' version is identical to the 'super héros' version?
Again, I'd like to get this discrepancy between JOTD's readme and the CAPS entry sorted. The "who's who", that is.

You say that CAPS 2290 was made from your original disk, but not from WHICH of those. CAPS says it was version 1, JOTD's readme says it was version 2.

IFW · 12 January 2005, 01:18

Like it says in the version field it is Super Heros.
Temps des heros is not dumped.

dlfrsilver · 12 January 2005, 15:00

Hello guys,

->First the one on the left ... is this a FRENCH one too?!
(with 'NIVEAU' instead of 'LEVEL' when you start the game, but English title screen )

andreas, as you see, the disk with infogrames on it is from a french compilation called
NRJ VOL.4 compilation only distributed by infogrames so yes you're right.
That was the first french version i sent to caps that was refused cause it was modified with a save state on it.
I have installed all these versions with whdload i will ask JOTD why he says that it's V2
as the game revision is V1.0 on these 3, so they are identical to me.

-> Last thing:
can you SWEAR that the 'temps des héros' version is identical to the 'super héros' version?
Again, I'd like to get this discrepancy between JOTD's readme and the CAPS entry sorted. The "who's who", that is.
You say that CAPS 2290 was made from your original disk, but not from WHICH of those. CAPS says it was version 1, JOTD's readme says it was version 2.

-> I can confirm that the game tells you if you press the right key that it's
PRINCE DE PERSE V1.0 so the game is not an older or newer version.

POP version from Compil NRJ VOL.4, LE TEMPS DES HEROS, SUPER HEROS are rightly
the same. The last version we have to find is the french Retail version.

IFW · 12 January 2005, 15:12

Well a game can be different although saying the same version number, so both Denis and Andreas are right.
I think maybe Denis should dump the undumped "temps des heros" version I will compare the ipf data, and post the result here so everyone can be happy.
If it will be any different there will be a new ipf, if not then just as Denis said the only thing left to do is find the retail French version which once found will possibly match all the others.

btw: you can read in the whdl install that the two versions of pro tennis tour are the same in caps, but that is only true because whdl does not use the game boot, which is different. Since it may or may not have reasonable changes and we want to preserve all possible versions both were made available as ipfs.

andreas · 12 January 2005, 18:10

Quote:

maybe Denis should dump the undumped "temps des heros" version I will compare the ipf data, and post the result here so everyone can be happy.

Yes, please!

Quote:

Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

I have installed all these versions with whdload i will ask JOTD why he says that it's V2 as the game revision is V1.0 on these 3, so they are identical to me.

No no no ...

JOTD did not say it is V2, that was just my abbreviation

I defined
- Version 1 = super héros
- Version 2 = le temps des héros

The 1 and 2 are just a number, no real version number, for distinguishing the version types and that I don't always have to type them out -- sorry for the confusion

OK. Well, IFW confirmed that the Le temps des héros is not dumped, but JOTD writes in his readme that he included support for the version Le temps des heros and added, "IPF ID 2290" - look:

Quote:

French version "Le temps des heros" compil, IPF ID 2290

This must imply for the reader that Le temps des heros version is IDENTICAL to CAPS 2290 (which it apparently is not).
So JOTD's info on the readme must be incorrect, as IFW knows what he says and what's dumped and what is not.

=> Thanks IFW.

=> Sorry to go into extreme nitpicking here, but for me as a HOL editor this *is* important, as we absolutely don't want to put wrong information there.

IFW · 12 January 2005, 18:29

Well, we do not know whether they are identical or not, possibly they are though, but until they are compared the only correct answer is that we simply do not know yet.

dlfrsilver · 12 January 2005, 20:00

Ok you'll be pleased to know that Prince de Perse Le Temps des héros was dumped this afternoon with the following games in french version :

CAPONE V1.9 French from Actionware

THARGHAN FR from Silmarils

NORTH & SOUTH FR from Infogrames

PICK 'N' PILE FR Dos filed version non protected non MFM

And a full bunch of loriciel(s) games in french versions :

Space racer
Skweek
Super Skweek
Sherman M4 02/16/93
Tiny Skweek
Turbo Cup
ADS
Builderland
Quadrel
Booly
Crazy Shot

I had a problem with my ADSL connection that's why you only got broken files
for untouchables. I will reupload it.

IFW · 12 January 2005, 21:20

Cheers. If you encounter the original release of Pick'n Pile that would be appreciated

...and in return you'd be pleased to know that Carcharodon is now supported - and in fact the only good disk I've ever seen of it dumped - I guess compensates nicely for the modified disks

dlfrsilver · 12 January 2005, 22:23

I am very proud you know to own such a so good shoot-em'up, it's a real shame
that some games were modified, because they are in a really really good shape....
I take care verywell of my disks (ex: Lionheart retail)

Ahh i happy for these.

Phiber · 13 January 2005, 09:42

Heheh.. this thread just caught my eye because "perse" means "ass" in finnish language..

"Prince of ass"

andreas · 14 January 2005, 06:33

HELVETTI!

So ... what would Princess the perse imply for you then?

IFW · 16 January 2005, 19:36

For those interested: the two compilation versions are identical.
pick'n pile seems to be not uploaded?

andreas · 17 January 2005, 00:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by IFW

For those interested: the two compilation versions are identical.

Thanks a lot!
This will save me LOTS of work, as I can include compilation #2 into "Prince de Perse" HOL entry!

11 January 2005, 15:11	#7
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,420	PS andreas, caps 2290 was made from my original disk !!! JOTD got my caps to be supported...... Hello in fact i own : - le temps des héros version, - NRJ compilation vol.4 version (modified and so refused because there was a save game on it) - super héros version. I own 4-5 original disks versions of the game which i bought for 3-4 ones from an old amiga reseller called IFA located in french department 59 (north of france). these version were replacement disks he has on palettes :-D by the way all the french versions are the same, Prince de perse V1.0 translated/distributed by microids under the banner Broderbund France. A nice way with rawdic installer, when you have a different version it doesn't install and that's why we have to MFMWARP the disks and send them to be supported. For example i own the retail version of Carcharodon which is unsupported by Galahad whdload install at the moment and unsupported by caps as stated. Ziriax is also concerned, as my version is alternate again and is not supported by whdload install......(my god ! What the hell i got all these ones ? why me huh ??? :-D). At last the thing i love the most is that games installer are a good way to know if the original is working or failing. If it's right, you can install, if the disk is errored, it crash or get a no sync found and then pfffftt exit. PS i join disks scans made from my disks for you to check Attached Thumbnails Last edited by dlfrsilver; 11 January 2005 at 15:40.

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10 January 2005, 16:27	#1
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,420	Prince de perse aka Prince of persia hello, RCK this one is for you, there is something wrong with a note for this game : Domark is not the french market seller/distributor, in france broderbund france was represented by Microids for translation/distribution. see ya !!! PS : i join pictures of Prince de Perse from my CAPS n°2290 Attached Thumbnails Last edited by dlfrsilver; 10 January 2005 at 16:34.

10 January 2005, 17:02	#2
RCK Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris / France Age: 45 Posts: 3,091	It should be correct! source ?

10 January 2005, 17:26	#3
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,420	Source ? Read Joystick magazine, there is info about that in it but i don't remember which one. Microids was the french seller distributor, it's a fact. the US version was sold by Broderbund USA, the french game was licensed to sell by microids under Broderbund France label, and Domark was licensed for distribution in england. I just don't know about german one. see ya !

10 January 2005, 18:03	#4
RCK Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris / France Age: 45 Posts: 3,091	héhé Thanks Fixed ! http://hol.abime.net/?id=4125

11 January 2005, 14:05	#6
fiath Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: South East / UK Age: 46 Posts: 1,930	No idea. Perhaps JOTD has both and found they were the same...

12 January 2005, 00:02	#8
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	Thanks! Whee, now that is a LOT of stuff to go thru! First the one on the left ... is this a FRENCH one too?! (with 'NIVEAU' instead of 'LEVEL' when you start the game, but English title screen ) Infogrames doesn't yet appear in HOL at all as publisher or distributor, so I guess from the pic that Infogrames too published the French version in France?! Last thing: can you SWEAR that the 'temps des héros' version is identical to the 'super héros' version? Again, I'd like to get this discrepancy between JOTD's readme and the CAPS entry sorted. The "who's who", that is. You say that CAPS 2290 was made from your original disk, but not from WHICH of those. CAPS says it was version 1, JOTD's readme says it was version 2.

12 January 2005, 01:18	#9
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	Like it says in the version field it is Super Heros. Temps des heros is not dumped.

12 January 2005, 15:00	#10
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,420	Hello guys, ->First the one on the left ... is this a FRENCH one too?! (with 'NIVEAU' instead of 'LEVEL' when you start the game, but English title screen ) andreas, as you see, the disk with infogrames on it is from a french compilation called NRJ VOL.4 compilation only distributed by infogrames so yes you're right. That was the first french version i sent to caps that was refused cause it was modified with a save state on it. I have installed all these versions with whdload i will ask JOTD why he says that it's V2 as the game revision is V1.0 on these 3, so they are identical to me. -> Last thing: can you SWEAR that the 'temps des héros' version is identical to the 'super héros' version? Again, I'd like to get this discrepancy between JOTD's readme and the CAPS entry sorted. The "who's who", that is. You say that CAPS 2290 was made from your original disk, but not from WHICH of those. CAPS says it was version 1, JOTD's readme says it was version 2. -> I can confirm that the game tells you if you press the right key that it's PRINCE DE PERSE V1.0 so the game is not an older or newer version. POP version from Compil NRJ VOL.4, LE TEMPS DES HEROS, SUPER HEROS are rightly the same. The last version we have to find is the french Retail version.

12 January 2005, 15:12	#11
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	Well a game can be different although saying the same version number, so both Denis and Andreas are right. I think maybe Denis should dump the undumped "temps des heros" version I will compare the ipf data, and post the result here so everyone can be happy. If it will be any different there will be a new ipf, if not then just as Denis said the only thing left to do is find the retail French version which once found will possibly match all the others. btw: you can read in the whdl install that the two versions of pro tennis tour are the same in caps, but that is only true because whdl does not use the game boot, which is different. Since it may or may not have reasonable changes and we want to preserve all possible versions both were made available as ipfs.

12 January 2005, 18:29	#13
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	Well, we do not know whether they are identical or not, possibly they are though, but until they are compared the only correct answer is that we simply do not know yet.

12 January 2005, 20:00	#14
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,420	Ok you'll be pleased to know that Prince de Perse Le Temps des héros was dumped this afternoon with the following games in french version : CAPONE V1.9 French from Actionware THARGHAN FR from Silmarils NORTH & SOUTH FR from Infogrames PICK 'N' PILE FR Dos filed version non protected non MFM And a full bunch of loriciel(s) games in french versions : Space racer Skweek Super Skweek Sherman M4 02/16/93 Tiny Skweek Turbo Cup ADS Builderland Quadrel Booly Crazy Shot I had a problem with my ADSL connection that's why you only got broken files for untouchables. I will reupload it.

12 January 2005, 21:20	#15
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	Cheers. If you encounter the original release of Pick'n Pile that would be appreciated ...and in return you'd be pleased to know that Carcharodon is now supported - and in fact the only good disk I've ever seen of it dumped - I guess compensates nicely for the modified disks

12 January 2005, 22:23	#16
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,420	I am very proud you know to own such a so good shoot-em'up, it's a real shame that some games were modified, because they are in a really really good shape.... I take care verywell of my disks (ex: Lionheart retail) Ahh i happy for these.

13 January 2005, 09:42	#17
Phiber Hardware Freak Join Date: May 2002 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 50 Posts: 222	Heheh.. this thread just caught my eye because "perse" means "ass" in finnish language.. "Prince of ass"

14 January 2005, 06:33	#18
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	HELVETTI! So ... what would Princess the perse imply for you then?

16 January 2005, 19:36	#19
IFW Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: ... Age: 52 Posts: 1,838	For those interested: the two compilation versions are identical. pick'n pile seems to be not uploaded?

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