Maximizing 68060 performance - Page 3

NovaCoder · 20 January 2014, 21:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyc

OK - probably a stupid question here but....
To use blizkick to kick the rom, does the jumper have to be on or off the board itself?
The jumper is not on the board currently. (And I do not have it)
Cheers
C

I think it needs to be on. Have a read of the excellent BlizKick guide for info.

Post your blizkick line and I'll take a look.

crazyc · 20 January 2014, 23:26

C: Blizzkick Devs:Romv4557 QUIET EXTRESBUF=10000 MODULE Libs:mathieeesingbas.library Libs:mathffp.library

Not a clue.....

Now seems to run but the quiet means it doesn't error when the rom is already kicked, which I think is what is happening. Need to get a jumper for my Blizzy.
Might borrow one off my spare 1230 IV if I can be bothered to unpack it.

NovaCoder · 20 January 2014, 23:31

You can easily check if it's working by running SysInfo and checking that your libraries are in loaded FASTRAM.

I'll post my Blizzkick line up here at some point for you to look at, I'm running 3.9 and I use BlizzKick to load all of the updated modules in one go (so you don't need a soft reboot).

crazyc · 20 January 2014, 23:40

Cheers mate.

Sysinfo says that all libraries are in 32 Bit RAM except for expansion and exec which are in CHIP RAM. Does that mean that Blizkixk is working and I needn't have ordered the spare jumper from Amigakit 2 minutes ago?

NovaCoder · 21 January 2014, 00:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyc

Cheers mate.

Sysinfo says that all libraries are in 32 Bit RAM except for expansion and exec which are in CHIP RAM. Does that mean that Blizkixk is working and I needn't have ordered the spare jumper from Amigakit 2 minutes ago?

Yep that means it must be working ok

You shouldn't put expansion in FASTRAM but you do get a nice speed boost from moving exec to FASTRAM (you can do that with a Blizzkick command).

Ok this is my OS3.9 (no reboot) start-up sequence

PHP Code:


			
; $VER: Startup-Sequence_HardDrive 45.2 (19.1.2001)

; Startup-Sequence for AmigaOS 3.9



C:BlizKick DEVS:rom_v45.57 EXTRESBUF=150000 MODULE exec.library bootmenu FileSystem.resource ram-handler scsi.device console.device shell mathffp.library mathieeesingbas.library SpeedyIDE NoClick BBlank LocalFast MoveVBR QUIET





C:SetPatch NOROMUPDATE QUIET

So as you can see it's patching up the OS with the 3.9 updates, some handy utilities (eg NoClick) and also some BlizKick speed-ups (eg SpeedyIDE). Also notice the SetPatch command which skips the ROM updates (because BlizKick already did that).

The rest is pretty much standard 3.9

PHP Code:


			
C:Version >NIL:

C:AddBuffers >NIL: DF0: 15

FailAt 21



C:MakeDir RAM:T RAM:Clipboards RAM:ENV RAM:ENV/Sys

C:env-handler



Resident >NIL: C:Assign PURE

Resident >NIL: C:Execute PURE



Assign >NIL: ENV: RAM:ENV

Assign >NIL: T: RAM:T

Assign >NIL: CLIPS: RAM:Clipboards

Assign >NIL: REXX: S:

Assign >NIL: PRINTERS: DEVS:Printers

Assign >NIL: KEYMAPS: DEVS:Keymaps

Assign >NIL: LOCALE: SYS:Locale

Assign >NIL: LIBS: SYS:Classes ADD

Assign >NIL: HELP: LOCALE:Help DEFER





C:CMQ060

;Run >NIL: CopyMem060

;Run >NIL: UtilPatch060





C:FBlit





BindDrivers

C:Mount >NIL: DEVS:DOSDrivers/~(#?.info)



C:LoadMonDrvs



SetEnv Language "english"

SetEnv Workbench $Workbench

SetEnv Kickstart $Kickstart

UnSet Workbench

UnSet Kickstart



C:AddDataTypes REFRESH QUIET

C:IPrefs



Run > NIL: "System:C/VisualPrefs"

System:C/FPPrefs





C:ConClip



Path >NIL: RAM: C: SYS:Utilities SYS:Rexxc SYS:System S: SYS:Prefs SYS:WBStartup SYS:Tools SYS:Tools/Commodities



SYS:System/REXXMast >NIL:



IF EXISTS S:User-Startup

  Execute S:User-Startup

EndIF



Resident Execute REMOVE

Resident Assign REMOVE





;C:WBCtrl IMT=FAST

C:LoadWB



EndCLI >NIL:

crazyc · 22 January 2014, 01:23

Hmmm. Tried to load exec into fastram by adding it to blizzkick line, but didn't seem to work. Could not find exec.library anywhere either? What stupid mistakes might I be making?
😱

NovaCoder · 22 January 2014, 01:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyc

Hmmm. Tried to load exec into fastram by adding it to blizzkick line, but didn't seem to work. Could not find exec.library anywhere either? What stupid mistakes might I be making?
😱

You need to rip it from the 3.9 ROM, have a read of the Blizkick guide.

Amicol · 25 January 2014, 01:20

@NovaCoder
I'm wondering if some of the slowdowns are to do with FBlit settings.
What are yours set to?

NovaCoder · 25 January 2014, 02:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amicol

@NovaCoder
I'm wondering if some of the slowdowns are to do with FBlit settings.
What are yours set to?

I just went with the defaults.

What kind of slowdowns are you seeing?

Amicol · 25 January 2014, 02:09

On AmiQuake it is sometimes quite smooth, then I'll see quite bad slowdowns (usually if there is some action)

Here are my SysSpeed stats, quite poor: [ Show youtube player ]

Update: ran the tests again in PAL:High Res Laced
And the results are 'almost' identical to yours :-)
I had been running them in DBLPAL:High Res No Flicker

Not quite sure why I get slowdowns in AmiQuake, AmiDoom seems fine!

Anyway, I think I've got about as far as I'm going to get optimizing my system,
I would like to thank all that helped! Particularly NovaCoder, cheers bud

roy bates · 25 January 2014, 10:15

im not really surprised that the system slows down when running quake compared to doom,quake is a lot more cpu intensive than doom by a long way.
try quake 2.

Amicol · 25 January 2014, 10:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by roy bates

im not really surprised that the system slows down when running quake compared to doom,quake is a lot more cpu intensive than doom by a long way.
try quake 2.

I think Quake 2 needs 64mb, I only have 32mb

Can't fit another SIMM under the hood as it's still in the A1200 case

crazyc · 26 January 2014, 13:35

Nuts.

I have broken something with all my messing around.

CF card boots and works fine on Winuae but although it boots and workbench seems to work OK on the real amiga, loading a game crashes it. Seems to lock up - sometimes using the whdload quit key repeatedly can get me back to workbench.

crazyc · 23 February 2014, 22:28

Hmmm,

After a lot of messing around, I think it might have been the fact Iw as running Miami from the startup that was screwing with Igame and some of the other stuff.

I think I have done a lot of unnecessary re setting up of CWB etc...
Oh well,
live and learn.

Now, where was I.....

Amicol · 23 February 2014, 22:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyc

Hmmm,

After a lot of messing around, I think it might have been the fact Iw as running Miami from the startup that was screwing with Igame and some of the other stuff.

I think I have done a lot of unnecessary re setting up of CWB etc...
Oh well,
live and learn.

Now, where was I.....

With ClassicWB3.9 I found it better to install as per instructions, then once up and running, install BB3. Much more stable, and a great base to build on

NorthWay · 24 February 2014, 08:22

Make sure you run libs and tools that maps your lowest 4K to fastmem.
I also think there is a tool somewhere that moves the chipmem headers to fastmem IIRC? Or does the OS do that automatically?

EDIT: I see I have used a tool called MoveChipramHeader. Can't remember where that came from.

NorthWay · 27 February 2014, 17:09

Are there any sites or threads that runs a performance database?

I am thinking of fastest hw and sw for any test software.
AIBB used to be rather nice for testing both cpu, OS, filesystem, and graphics. It insisted my 4000 was 1.04 times standard chipram speed.

Would be useful for comparing both hw and sw.

hardgb · 22 June 2018, 17:19

Guys I also managed to stabilize my ClassicWB3.9 with my Apollo 1260 50Mhz. But I think you can still improve the peformance without the need for an overclocking. I'm trying to create the modules with the RemApollo RUX but I'm not getting it.
1- I created a folder named OS39 inside LIBS (LIBS: OS39 /) and copied the "workbench.library, icon.library and AmigaOS ROM Update" files in.
2- Copy the RUX file to RAM DISK and use the command in SHELL. "RUX A1200" or "RUX" or "RAM: RUX A1200" but none of them created the modules.
Please, I need to create these modules to be able to configure RemApollo. I need help
I made a video showing my system working [ Show youtube player ]

macce2 · 18 March 2019, 18:46

I bought new A3660 card recently ( 68060 rev.5 @ 50)
and Im wondering which version of 68060.library would work best with my card, and from where to get it..
I think the Mmulib package is a little complicated , and would prefer some "general" version.
So, the versions on Aminet are not the most recent ones ..?!

Thomas Richter · 18 March 2019, 19:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by macce2

So, the versions on Aminet are not the most recent ones ..?!

Two different answers converging to one: First of all, the matter of active support. I believe that there is currently only one actively maintained 68060.library.

This being said, installation of the MuLib package is generally easy - just pick the installer. However, you are given the power - as a user - to include additional optimizations other libraries do not offer, and this comes of course with more responsibility and more complexity.

The core library does not require such optimizations.

25 January 2014, 02:09	#50
Amicol Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Hartlepool / England Posts: 389	On AmiQuake it is sometimes quite smooth, then I'll see quite bad slowdowns (usually if there is some action) Here are my SysSpeed stats, quite poor: [ Show youtube player ] Update: ran the tests again in PAL:High Res Laced And the results are 'almost' identical to yours :-) I had been running them in DBLPAL:High Res No Flicker Not quite sure why I get slowdowns in AmiQuake, AmiDoom seems fine! Anyway, I think I've got about as far as I'm going to get optimizing my system, I would like to thank all that helped! Particularly NovaCoder, cheers bud Last edited by Amicol; 25 January 2014 at 03:12.

24 February 2014, 08:22	#56
NorthWay Registered User Join Date: May 2013 Location: Grimstad / Norway Posts: 839	Make sure you run libs and tools that maps your lowest 4K to fastmem. I also think there is a tool somewhere that moves the chipmem headers to fastmem IIRC? Or does the OS do that automatically? EDIT: I see I have used a tool called MoveChipramHeader. Can't remember where that came from. Last edited by NorthWay; 25 February 2014 at 17:28.

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20 January 2014, 23:26	#42
crazyc Registered User Join Date: May 2012 Location: Gravesend - UK Posts: 927	C: Blizzkick Devs:Romv4557 QUIET EXTRESBUF=10000 MODULE Libs:mathieeesingbas.library Libs:mathffp.library Not a clue..... Now seems to run but the quiet means it doesn't error when the rom is already kicked, which I think is what is happening. Need to get a jumper for my Blizzy. Might borrow one off my spare 1230 IV if I can be bothered to unpack it.

20 January 2014, 23:31	#43
NovaCoder Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Melbourne/Australia Posts: 4,400	You can easily check if it's working by running SysInfo and checking that your libraries are in loaded FASTRAM. I'll post my Blizzkick line up here at some point for you to look at, I'm running 3.9 and I use BlizzKick to load all of the updated modules in one go (so you don't need a soft reboot).

20 January 2014, 23:40	#44
crazyc Registered User Join Date: May 2012 Location: Gravesend - UK Posts: 927	Cheers mate. Sysinfo says that all libraries are in 32 Bit RAM except for expansion and exec which are in CHIP RAM. Does that mean that Blizkixk is working and I needn't have ordered the spare jumper from Amigakit 2 minutes ago?

22 January 2014, 01:23	#46
crazyc Registered User Join Date: May 2012 Location: Gravesend - UK Posts: 927	Hmmm. Tried to load exec into fastram by adding it to blizzkick line, but didn't seem to work. Could not find exec.library anywhere either? What stupid mistakes might I be making? 😱

25 January 2014, 01:20	#48
Amicol Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Hartlepool / England Posts: 389	@NovaCoder I'm wondering if some of the slowdowns are to do with FBlit settings. What are yours set to?

25 January 2014, 10:15	#51
roy bates Registered User Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: birmingham Age: 55 Posts: 2,827	im not really surprised that the system slows down when running quake compared to doom,quake is a lot more cpu intensive than doom by a long way. try quake 2.

26 January 2014, 13:35	#53
crazyc Registered User Join Date: May 2012 Location: Gravesend - UK Posts: 927	Nuts. I have broken something with all my messing around. CF card boots and works fine on Winuae but although it boots and workbench seems to work OK on the real amiga, loading a game crashes it. Seems to lock up - sometimes using the whdload quit key repeatedly can get me back to workbench.

23 February 2014, 22:28	#54
crazyc Registered User Join Date: May 2012 Location: Gravesend - UK Posts: 927	Hmmm, After a lot of messing around, I think it might have been the fact Iw as running Miami from the startup that was screwing with Igame and some of the other stuff. I think I have done a lot of unnecessary re setting up of CWB etc... Oh well, live and learn. Now, where was I.....

27 February 2014, 17:09	#57
NorthWay Registered User Join Date: May 2013 Location: Grimstad / Norway Posts: 839	Are there any sites or threads that runs a performance database? I am thinking of fastest hw and sw for any test software. AIBB used to be rather nice for testing both cpu, OS, filesystem, and graphics. It insisted my 4000 was 1.04 times standard chipram speed. Would be useful for comparing both hw and sw.

22 June 2018, 17:19	#58
hardgb HARDGB Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Fortaleza / Brasil Posts: 20	Guys I also managed to stabilize my ClassicWB3.9 with my Apollo 1260 50Mhz. But I think you can still improve the peformance without the need for an overclocking. I'm trying to create the modules with the RemApollo RUX but I'm not getting it. 1- I created a folder named OS39 inside LIBS (LIBS: OS39 /) and copied the "workbench.library, icon.library and AmigaOS ROM Update" files in. 2- Copy the RUX file to RAM DISK and use the command in SHELL. "RUX A1200" or "RUX" or "RAM: RUX A1200" but none of them created the modules. Please, I need to create these modules to be able to configure RemApollo. I need help I made a video showing my system working [ Show youtube player ]

18 March 2019, 18:46	#59
macce2 Retro maniac Join Date: May 2005 Location: Finland Age: 49 Posts: 1,220	I bought new A3660 card recently ( 68060 rev.5 @ 50) and Im wondering which version of 68060.library would work best with my card, and from where to get it.. I think the Mmulib package is a little complicated , and would prefer some "general" version. So, the versions on Aminet are not the most recent ones ..?!

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