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06 January 2016, 02:18 | #43 |
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Not at all - running on commodity hardware would be massive for Hyperion. I've seen them voice their concerns about being a tiny fish in an ocean dominated by Microsoft, Apple and Linux but I don't see the PPC market as sustainable in the long-term - heck, it's only marginally sustainable now.
TBH though, it doesn't have to be x86, it could be ARM (or even emulated/FPGA 68k!) - PPC is a boondoggle. |
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I thought the post was an average internet troll, but now I see it seems it was Hyperion trolling Amiga users. They are deluding themselves into thinking they add value to the 68k usersbase and that users somehow must be thankful about that.
Anyway, I see this as really great news: Hyperion will once again (and hopefully now for good) face bankrupcy for persuing copyright infringement on AmigaOS 3.1 sourcecode. This will certainly be a nice coffin nail for them. A more than 20 years old operating system beating their ass. It is absurdly ridiculuos, but fun nontheless. |
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Really can't imagine Hyperion porting OS4 to x86. They have put all of their eggs in firmly in the PPC basket.
If the Genie is out of the bottle so to speak then it's going to hard for them to remove the code. Many will have downloaded it now but nobody is going to use it at this time. Hyperion might go after the original person who leaked it but they probably don't have the resources. |
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As a complete code/OS illiterate I dont really know if this leak will help development speed for example FPGA developers.
Personally I will defintly buy the Vampire FPGA if/when its released for A1200, so any developmentspeedup is very much welcome in that regard. Overall; any AOS3.x improvement would be welcome for sure, but the question is; how will capable people that might find tweaking the OS intresting actually go ahead doing so in a coordinated way with Hyperion on the warpath....? While I understand and agree in general with Copyrights, I feel that Hyperion in general have a tendency to undercommunicate. And when they communicate, its usually heavyhandily. A pity. As a sidenote, I actually have AOS4FE for Winuae. Im not a hardcore anti NG/AOS4, nor a Hyperion fanboi. I mess around with AOS3.x+hardware and AOS4 for the fun of it (hobby), and find these socalled conflict lines curious. And why Matthew got temp banned; a bit odd. He usually post in a informative manner, espesially compared to most AOS4 haters and fanbois that have no real content beyond flames back and forth. |
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Now the only PPC players are A-Eon and ACube and the hardware is still prohibitively expensive - plus classic Amiga development has the future potential to leapfrog PPC in performance and x86 (via emulation) already has. PPC is only going to get less appealing as an Amiga platform and it's not exactly doing volume sales now. Imagine if Amiga users could run OS4 on the Vampire? Or native on a £150 Asus laptop? Or a RaspPi? Even A-Eon is hedging their bets with the ALICE. |
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06 January 2016, 09:00 | #48 |
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With a maintained revision system and backups? Nobody took the sources away from them, they still have it. All the drama is merely a play to the gallery.
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06 January 2016, 12:40 | #52 |
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Claiming that it's somewhat Hyperion's fault that 3.x wasn't further developed is complete and utter bullshit. Some times, I feel that forums are crawled with either returning users that skipped an era entirely or by users with severe lack of memory. To begin with OS3.x was further developed till late 90s with 3.9 and by that time it was rather obvious to anyone who were actually using their Amigas that AOS on 68k was more irrelevant to every day computer usage compering to nowadays Amiga NG inspired systems. Check the mags or try to remember that even the fastest 060 (with all of its incompatibilities that brought) was already a cpu relic. The platform as we knew it, was done. Amigas were already getting PPC upgrades for some time (among 3rd party pci/gfx solutions) trying to keep up with the competition while the OS was incompatible from day one with that architecture and we were in need of a re-write in order to make it work. Seems some folks can't recall the anxiety or discussions about the PPC switch and that there were virtually no core applications to take advantage of it yet (with some minor exceptions like Wrap3D for example) or the fact that the OS itself was as I stated above incompatible (till MorphOS came out). Back then, there were only two options that made sense: switch to PPC and try to advance or stay on the stock/minor expanded 68k and keep it for gaming (like it is right now). None of the above had nothing to do with Hyperion, which came forward many years later. The stalling of classic AOS wasn't due to the closed sources or the OS itself, it was due to the old/underpowered hardware. Even on 2002 when the coldfire project was announced it was supposed to come under 266Mhz. Big deal. Of course even that had several 68k instruction set incompatibilities and needless to state that till 2005 it was rather obvious that the project was vaporware. What exactly do you think anyone could have tweak on OS3.x that would make it worthwhile or had a serious impact on it (and hadn't been added via a 3rd party already/uploaded to aminet)? Add some commands in order to avoid adding SetPatch? On the other hand non waporware/working FPGA add-ons is a very recent concept and now 3.x might actually need a small overhaul to take advantage of the new board (which of course I welcome, as I future Vampire owner). But claiming that it's Hyperion's fault that OS3.x was not further developed is plain lie and one shouldn't try to be a dick just for the shake of it.
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If you consider OS4 a "further development" of OS3.x, which they themselves insist that it is, then it is Hyperion's fault.
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Until the OS4 (or MorphOS, for that matter) full source tree is on GitHub, I'm pretty sure nobody cares. |
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06 January 2016, 16:00 | #57 |
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As I said in the other thread:
How is this biting the hand that feeds? I think the people interested in the 3.1 sources couldn't give a flying fuck about OS4. If anything, these sources might help improve OS3.x and make it something better, and I think that's what's Hyperion is afraid of, that OS4 becomes even more irrelevant than it already is. (: |
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4.0 is only an Amiga-emulator that maybe could be fun. but nahh. I bought 4.1FE to use on my CSPPC. booted it like twice. once to show a friend..
we want 3.x sources so we can do some changes and patches so we can use our beloved amigas some more. phew.. well.. sadly this is how Amiga has been the last.. 20 years. |
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Unless Cloanto/Hyperion/Whomever plan to retroactively destroy any and all 68k Amiga hardware, I don't see the future being that bleak, really (:
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