Monkey Island 2, PC vs. AMIGA

AMIGAZ · 04 January 2005, 14:27

Have during the last 2-3 days played Monkey Island 2 (256 colour PC version) with the SCUMMVM prog on my PC and started to wonder why the Amiga version didn't have any background animations as moving sea etc and more music + sound effects? IMO the Amiga is as capable as a PC back then to have these effects in the game.
Same goes for Indiana Jones & The Fate Of Atlantis and other Lucasarts point&click adventure games.
Grateful if someone had an answer

Shoonay · 04 January 2005, 15:01

Sorry for an OT, but...
Here's a little quote from a book i got about 8 years ago, about "Programming a demo in 68k on A500". It was a polish translation from the officiall Commodore "Amiga Hardware Reference Manual" probably released originally around 1990.:

"This part is in English to make lamers dizzy and keep'em. Firstly I want to thank S.S Captain for xero of this book and send a lot of fux to Mac. He's probably very good hacker, but ot a good fellow. He knows why. Also I have to tell you that Amiga is fine, but IBM is better. Did you see "That Secret of the Monkey Island" on it? Did you see those 256 colours at the same time on the screen, with resolution better than the highest one in Amiga? I was laughing at IBM a few months ago yet, but now I'm not. It's the future in Poland, I'm telling you. I know you hate me now."

ant512 · 04 January 2005, 15:34

Various reasons, but I'd guess the major ones were:

- 512K of chip RAM;
- 880K disks;
- No hard drives.

keropi · 04 January 2005, 20:21

I think that "chip ram" is to blame.... fine for the 1st maschines, but after a600 it was a prob....

viernez67 · 04 January 2005, 20:22

A hint: if you have a Roland MT32 sequencer use it or the emulated one(included in scummvm, but you need to find the needed roms). And you will get a kick ass music, better than the Amiga version.

AMIGAZ · 04 January 2005, 20:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by viernez67

A hint: if you have a Roland MT32 sequencer use it or the emulated one(included in scummvm, but you need to find the needed roms). And you will get a kick ass music, better than the Amiga version.

Sounds cool!
Do you know the name of these rom files?

Too bad they didn't make an enhanced amiga version for pure HD install back then with more effects/music etc for the Amiga 2000 or 3000.
The extra effects in the PC version adds a bit more feel to the game.

viernez67 · 04 January 2005, 21:34

Well those files are MT32_PCM.ROM and MT32_CONTROL.ROM

MT32_CONTROL.ROM: go here http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=7270, read a little and you'll know how to build it(it's easy).

MT32_PCM.ROM: http://vdmsound.sourceforge.net/file...f/MT32_PCM.zip

Put them in your scummvm folder, and select MT32 as device, the first time you run it it will take sometime to start, because scummvm is building the sound file, next runs will start as fast as usual.

To moderators: Legal situation of those roms are undertermined, as a previuos slashdot article, Roland was unable to demostrate that they own the rights of such roms, so to me, they're free until they can demostrate the opposite. If you think that you can have problems, simple delete the PCM link, but the other i think that it's legal.

Fred the Fop · 05 January 2005, 07:33

What the bloody hell is the point of that SCUMM crap if you can use Dosbox?? I play all those old Lucasarts games just fine on Dosbox.

AMIGAZ · 05 January 2005, 08:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred the Duck

What the bloody hell is the point of that SCUMM crap if you can use Dosbox?? I play all those old Lucasarts games just fine on Dosbox.

hey, hey...ease down...

I use Dosbox also for playing oldies but not the Lucasart ones at the monent since I've been lazy since Christmas....must be all that food I ate

ant512 · 05 January 2005, 11:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred the Duck

What the bloody hell is the point of that SCUMM crap if you can use Dosbox?? I play all those old Lucasarts games just fine on Dosbox.

Means you can play all of the SCUMM games on the DC, GP32 and Amiga. Also means you can play the Mac, Amiga and FM Towns games on your PC without having to get hold of and set up emulators and system ROMs.

keropi · 05 January 2005, 11:37

not to mention that SCUMM is actually a new engine for playing these games, it is not an emulator...

04 January 2005, 14:27	#1
AMIGAZ Amiga-Mad Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sweden Age: 46 Posts: 1,286	Monkey Island 2, PC vs. AMIGA Have during the last 2-3 days played Monkey Island 2 (256 colour PC version) with the SCUMMVM prog on my PC and started to wonder why the Amiga version didn't have any background animations as moving sea etc and more music + sound effects? IMO the Amiga is as capable as a PC back then to have these effects in the game. Same goes for Indiana Jones & The Fate Of Atlantis and other Lucasarts point&click adventure games. Grateful if someone had an answer

04 January 2005, 15:01	#2
Shoonay Global Caturator Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Porando Age: 43 Posts: 6,105	That Secret of the Monkey Island Sorry for an OT, but... Here's a little quote from a book i got about 8 years ago, about "Programming a demo in 68k on A500". It was a polish translation from the officiall Commodore "Amiga Hardware Reference Manual" probably released originally around 1990.: "This part is in English to make lamers dizzy and keep'em. Firstly I want to thank S.S Captain for xero of this book and send a lot of fux to Mac. He's probably very good hacker, but ot a good fellow. He knows why. Also I have to tell you that Amiga is fine, but IBM is better. Did you see "That Secret of the Monkey Island" on it? Did you see those 256 colours at the same time on the screen, with resolution better than the highest one in Amiga? I was laughing at IBM a few months ago yet, but now I'm not. It's the future in Poland, I'm telling you. I know you hate me now."

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04 January 2005, 15:34	#3
ant512 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 964	Various reasons, but I'd guess the major ones were: - 512K of chip RAM; - 880K disks; - No hard drives.

04 January 2005, 20:21	#4
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	I think that "chip ram" is to blame.... fine for the 1st maschines, but after a600 it was a prob....

04 January 2005, 20:22	#5
viernez67 Zone Friend Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Spain Age: 50 Posts: 10	A hint: if you have a Roland MT32 sequencer use it or the emulated one(included in scummvm, but you need to find the needed roms). And you will get a kick ass music, better than the Amiga version.

04 January 2005, 21:34	#7
viernez67 Zone Friend Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Spain Age: 50 Posts: 10	Well those files are MT32_PCM.ROM and MT32_CONTROL.ROM MT32_CONTROL.ROM: go here http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=7270, read a little and you'll know how to build it(it's easy). MT32_PCM.ROM: http://vdmsound.sourceforge.net/file...f/MT32_PCM.zip Put them in your scummvm folder, and select MT32 as device, the first time you run it it will take sometime to start, because scummvm is building the sound file, next runs will start as fast as usual. To moderators: Legal situation of those roms are undertermined, as a previuos slashdot article, Roland was unable to demostrate that they own the rights of such roms, so to me, they're free until they can demostrate the opposite. If you think that you can have problems, simple delete the PCM link, but the other i think that it's legal.

05 January 2005, 07:33	#8
Fred the Fop flaming faggot Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Versailles Age: 55 Posts: 2,808	What the bloody hell is the point of that SCUMM crap if you can use Dosbox?? I play all those old Lucasarts games just fine on Dosbox.

05 January 2005, 11:37	#11
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	not to mention that SCUMM is actually a new engine for playing these games, it is not an emulator...

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