OS4.0 -when- ?

blade002 · 13 May 2006, 08:48

Just wondering guys, when is OS4.0 due out?, and will it run at all on my A1200 030/50 with 16meg fast?. I read somewhere on this forum that it requires an Amiga with a graphics card and a PPC accelerator!. Is this true?

Also does anyone have any really good 8 or 16 colour workbench backdrops/wallpapers? I grabbed a heap of 24 bit images off an Amiga site that i will downgrade to 8 or 16 colour, but if someone knows where i can some great ones that were drawn with 8 or 16 colour in mind, that would be great!..

z00mba · 13 May 2006, 08:50

Yeah I believe OS 4 is only for PPC, OS 3.9 was the last version for Amiga classic (wich really sucks imho).

blade002 · 13 May 2006, 08:54

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Originally Posted by z00mba

Yeah I believe OS 4 is only for PPC, OS 3.9 was the last version for Amiga classic (wich really sucks imho).

yeah that really does suck!.. i dont see why they couldnt have made it compatible with the Classic Amiga. How many Amiga owners at the moment actually have a PPC Cpu and graphics card in their Amiga!?. i would say about 25%. And the ones that dont have that kinda hardware, where are they going to find it, other than ebay?.

Are they trying to a cater for a tiny AmigaONE market?

On the upside it may make the AmigaONE market much larger because we will be almost forced to upgrade to cater for future updates of our OS.

Unknown_K · 13 May 2006, 09:00

Out of curiosity why would you need OS 4.x on a 030 powered 1200 anyway (my 1200 is 030/50 16MB also and I run 3.0)?

blade002 · 13 May 2006, 09:04

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Originally Posted by Unknown_K

Out of curiosity why would you need OS 4.x on a 030 powered 1200 anyway (my 1200 is 030/50 16MB also and I run 3.0)?

Why not?. i like the look of the new OS and in buying it, it supports the Amiga OS. I could still happily live with OS3.0 and run Magic Workbench, but this time around.. im going for a little extra.

StarEye · 13 May 2006, 11:57

Uhm, OS3.9 isn't even recommended on an 030 16mb without stripping it down horribly, I'm afraid to even think about how OS4.0 would be like.

blade002 · 13 May 2006, 12:25

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Originally Posted by StarEye

Uhm, OS3.9 isn't even recommended on an 030 16mb without stripping it down horribly, I'm afraid to even think about how OS4.0 would be like.

Why am i getting so many differing opinions on OS3.9 with my current setup?. what is the definative answer everyone???..

On an 030/50mhz A1200 with 16mb what will be the main speed drag?. if i keep the workbench screen in 8 colours only, will the speed be ok?.. or do i need to strip it OS3.9 down to its bare bones to get any speed at all out of it!?. Please elaborate?

AMIGAZ · 13 May 2006, 12:34

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Originally Posted by blade002

Why am i getting so many differing opinions on OS3.9 with my current setup?. what is the definative answer everyone???..

On an 030/50mhz A1200 with 16mb what will be the main speed drag?. if i keep the workbench screen in 8 colours only, will the speed be ok?.. or do i need to strip it OS3.9 down to its bare bones to get any speed at all out of it!?. Please elaborate?

OS3.9 in high res 256 colours or less with your setup will work fine if you use some patches which speeds things up like FBlit, Systempatch, BlazeWCP etc and map the kickstart into fastram.
Things begin to slow down if you use high resolutions because the AGA circuits are slooow

Bamiga2002 · 13 May 2006, 13:05

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Originally Posted by blade002

Just wondering guys, when is OS4.0 due out?...

"When it's done!"

blade002 · 13 May 2006, 13:14

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Originally Posted by AMIGAZ

OS3.9 in high res 256 colours or less with your setup will work fine if you use some patches which speeds things up like FBlit, Systempatch, BlazeWCP etc and map the kickstart into fastram.
Things begin to slow down if you use high resolutions because the AGA circuits are slooow

Thanks AMIGAZ !!!!!... thats been a big help!!... Are these patches on Aminet?

Cheers!

blade002 · 13 May 2006, 13:14

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Originally Posted by Bamiga2002

"When it's done!"

LOL .. good answer

Mick_AKA · 13 May 2006, 13:30

Just to say, OS3.9 runs fine on my A1200 030 50mhz with 128mb ram.
low res is a bit of a pain in the ass, especially when my TV handles 1024x768 from my PC perfectly

Other than that is seems fine, mp3 and vid playback are a pretty much a no no but thats not what I use my miggy for anyway.

AMIGAZ · 13 May 2006, 13:59

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Originally Posted by blade002

Thanks AMIGAZ !!!!!... thats been a big help!!... Are these patches on Aminet?

Cheers!

Yes, except the latest version of systempatch which I unfortunately forgot where to find at the moment.
Another cool helpful "patch" is BlizKick which also can save you a reboot in OS3.9 if you make your own kickrom which you softboot

Severin · 13 May 2006, 15:11

OS4 would be too slow to use on a 68k only system (think of running XP on a 486), and you would need a minimum of 128mb of ram.

I've used an early 68k only version of OS4 (before you ask I've deleted it) on UAE, it was painfully slow compared to 3.9.

Edit: typo

ant512 · 13 May 2006, 16:21

They're probably delaying OS4 to ensure that it runs Duke Nukem Forever properly and is fully compatible with Infinium Labs' Phantom console.

Olecranon · 13 May 2006, 17:35

OS4 is probably finished enough to be sold right now, but there isn't any hardware being sold that will run it. That makes OS4 about as worthless as a three legged cat burying turds on a frozen pond... Unless your one of the five people who paid way too much money for their AmigaOnes a few years back.

blade002 · 13 May 2006, 17:36

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Originally Posted by Olecranon

OS4 is probably finished enough to be sold right now, but there isn't any hardware being sold that will run it. That makes OS4 about as worthless as a three legged cat burying turds on a frozen pond... Unless your one of the five people who paid way too much money for their AmigaOnes a few years back.

Oh that Cat joke cracked me up!!!... shit that was funny!.

SilentBob · 14 May 2006, 14:40

Before you know it they'll port it to x86.

Severin · 14 May 2006, 15:35

@SilentBob

No Chance unless someone offers very large amounts of money for it

Charlie · 14 May 2006, 17:44

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Originally Posted by SilentBob

Before you know it they'll port it to x86.

It may not be that stupid an idea... even if unwelcome to most 'die-hards'.

Why?
I don't believe OS4 in it's current form will ever be released as a final version.

I think OS4 + A1 are an engineering 'proof-of-concept', not a platform for people to buy.

Hyperion have spent much effort writing this code & I understand it is quite portable. They will have gained a lot of useful experience for the future, & in AOS4 + A1 a shop window for their tallents.

Now they need buyer(s).
That may not result in a full desktop OS that we would find useful, & even if so will be on whatever platform the customer specifies: Likley something cheap + available, like x86.
- An x86 Mini-ITX board as a base for an embeded system?? -

I can't see anyone investing in a 'lightweight' OS & then spending any more money than they must on hardware. ( PPC boards are expensive )

Having said all that if any Amiga-nut was to put up sufficient cash to produce a viable desktop AOS4 platform - I'd buy one. ( Especially if x86 based, as I'd feel somewhat protected )

Sadly I think AOS4 has missed the boat regarding the future of the Amiga desktop.
If you are happy with 68k - good, nothing wrong with it.
If not; AROS is the only viable way to go for the future.

13 May 2006, 08:48	#1
blade002 Zone Friend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Australia Age: 50 Posts: 2,616	OS4.0 -when- ? Just wondering guys, when is OS4.0 due out?, and will it run at all on my A1200 030/50 with 16meg fast?. I read somewhere on this forum that it requires an Amiga with a graphics card and a PPC accelerator!. Is this true? Also does anyone have any really good 8 or 16 colour workbench backdrops/wallpapers? I grabbed a heap of 24 bit images off an Amiga site that i will downgrade to 8 or 16 colour, but if someone knows where i can some great ones that were drawn with 8 or 16 colour in mind, that would be great!..

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13 May 2006, 08:50	#2
z00mba Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Fr Age: 47 Posts: 185	Yeah I believe OS 4 is only for PPC, OS 3.9 was the last version for Amiga classic (wich really sucks imho).

13 May 2006, 09:00	#4
Unknown_K Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio/USA Age: 55 Posts: 1,380	Out of curiosity why would you need OS 4.x on a 030 powered 1200 anyway (my 1200 is 030/50 16MB also and I run 3.0)?

13 May 2006, 11:57	#6
StarEye Zone Friend Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Norway Age: 46 Posts: 987	Uhm, OS3.9 isn't even recommended on an 030 16mb without stripping it down horribly, I'm afraid to even think about how OS4.0 would be like.

13 May 2006, 13:30	#12
Mick_AKA crusader of light Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Stone, Staffordshire. Posts: 1,151	Just to say, OS3.9 runs fine on my A1200 030 50mhz with 128mb ram. low res is a bit of a pain in the ass, especially when my TV handles 1024x768 from my PC perfectly Other than that is seems fine, mp3 and vid playback are a pretty much a no no but thats not what I use my miggy for anyway.

13 May 2006, 15:11	#14
Severin Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Gloucester / UK Posts: 700	OS4 would be too slow to use on a 68k only system (think of running XP on a 486), and you would need a minimum of 128mb of ram. I've used an early 68k only version of OS4 (before you ask I've deleted it) on UAE, it was painfully slow compared to 3.9. Edit: typo

13 May 2006, 16:21	#15
ant512 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: California Posts: 965	They're probably delaying OS4 to ensure that it runs Duke Nukem Forever properly and is fully compatible with Infinium Labs' Phantom console.

13 May 2006, 17:35	#16
Olecranon Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Wisconsin - USA Age: 56 Posts: 86	OS4 is probably finished enough to be sold right now, but there isn't any hardware being sold that will run it. That makes OS4 about as worthless as a three legged cat burying turds on a frozen pond... Unless your one of the five people who paid way too much money for their AmigaOnes a few years back.

14 May 2006, 14:40	#18
SilentBob Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Norway Age: 49 Posts: 246	Before you know it they'll port it to x86.

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Severin Registered User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Gloucester / UK Posts: 700	@SilentBob No Chance unless someone offers very large amounts of money for it

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