A3000 Xserf and a large IDE HD?!?!

Claw22000 · 01 May 2011, 02:53

Whats the largest drive I can put on an Xsurf card in a A3000 My friend has one and would like me to do up a drive for him to use. Also I know it says its not boot able but if I put CWB on the internal scsi drive and had the games and demos pointing to the ide device would the this be availible durring the assign phase of boot. Thanks

thomas · 01 May 2011, 08:57

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Whats the largest drive I can put on an Xsurf card in a A3000 My friend has one and would like me to do up a drive for him to use.

AFAIK the XSurf IDE driver has the same features and limits as IDE-fix, so you should be able to use at least 128 GB with it.

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if I put CWB on the internal scsi drive and had the games and demos pointing to the ide device would the this be availible durring the assign phase of boot.

You need the XSurfIDE file plus its icon in Sys:Expansion and be sure that BindDrivers is called in S:Startup-Sequence before "the assign phase".

Hewitson · 01 May 2011, 09:01

Does the X-Surf do DMA? If not, you'd be much better off sticking with the SCSI.

Claw22000 · 01 May 2011, 09:01

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Originally Posted by thomas

AFAIK the XSurf IDE driver has the same features and limits as IDE-fix, so you should be able to use at least 128 GB with it.

You need the XSurfIDE file plus its icon in Sys:Expansion and be sure that BindDrivers is called in S:Startup-Sequence before "the assign phase".

thanks! Thomas your always a great help.

thomas · 01 May 2011, 10:56

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Originally Posted by Hewitson

Does the X-Surf do DMA?

No, it's even slower than the onboard IDE controller of the A4000 or A1200.

Hewitson · 01 May 2011, 12:15

In that case I strongly suggest replacing the existing SCSI drive with a larger one or using an IDE drive plus an IDE > SCSI converter..

Claw22000 · 01 May 2011, 20:48

They sell a converter to make an IDE work on the Scsi port?

If so What do I have to do to make it accept large hard drives?

Thanks you might be saving his A3000!

Jope · 02 May 2011, 14:31

Use pfs3ds. Please observe the size limits in the PFS3 documentation, IIRC the max size for a single partition was something like 104GB and max disk was something much more.

Alternately:
Update scsi.device and use any 64bit capable filesystem.

Hewitson · 02 May 2011, 14:40

SFS and FFSTD64 also support Direct-SCSI.

Unfortunately I've got no experience with the SCSI-IDE converters, try doing a search on "Acard" which is the company who makes them.

thomas · 02 May 2011, 17:05

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SFS [...] also support Direct-SCSI

No longer. SCSI support was dropped after version 1.87.

Claw22000 · 02 May 2011, 18:28

PFS35 should be ik right. And what patchstrip file do I use now?

Claw22000 · 03 May 2011, 00:49

ok I looked up Acard and found I can get one for $140 USD shipped. Before I order this I need to know if it is possible to make a larger driver work on this system. I know that I can patchstip the A1200 to work with large IDE drives. Is there a similar way to do this with an A3000 Scsi Interface?

Thanks for everyones help

Hewitson · 03 May 2011, 07:45

$140?? I'd buy a decent sized SCSI drive off ebay for $10-$15 and be done with it.

You can use large drives with either solution if you use PFS3DS or FFSTD64 filesystems.

Jope · 03 May 2011, 10:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claw22000

ok I looked up Acard and found I can get one for $140 USD shipped. Before I order this I need to know if it is possible to make a larger driver work on this system. I know that I can patchstip the A1200 to work with large IDE drives. Is there a similar way to do this with an A3000 Scsi Interface?

Thanks for everyones help

As far as I remember, the 3.9bb2 rom update also contains an updated A3000 scsi.device.

Claw22000 · 03 May 2011, 18:21

Wouldn't it be better to do the patchstrip on it and make a custom rom with just the goodies in it as he wants os 3.1

Jope · 03 May 2011, 22:23

No, because that patchstrip procedure is related to the A600/1200/4000 IDE driver (which also happens to be called scsi.device). There is no such patch file for the A3000 scsi.device.

Extract the scsi.device from the boingbag and use loadmodule or put it in your custom ROM.

Claw22000 · 04 May 2011, 05:15

Ok cool Thanks. Was wondering where I was going to get the needed scsi.device? Has any one tested using this with large drives on the A3000?

Jope · 04 May 2011, 07:35

From the OS3.9BB2 rom update.

Claw22000 · 05 May 2011, 05:26

Sweet I will have to make one up. Is there a way to test the setup on WinUAE with drive an all so I can create it and then stick it in the A3000?

01 May 2011, 02:53	#1
Claw22000 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: St. Paul, MN/USA Age: 46 Posts: 222	A3000 Xserf and a large IDE HD?!?! Whats the largest drive I can put on an Xsurf card in a A3000 My friend has one and would like me to do up a drive for him to use. Also I know it says its not boot able but if I put CWB on the internal scsi drive and had the games and demos pointing to the ide device would the this be availible durring the assign phase of boot. Thanks

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01 May 2011, 09:01	#3
Hewitson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 41 Posts: 3,772	Does the X-Surf do DMA? If not, you'd be much better off sticking with the SCSI.

01 May 2011, 12:15	#6
Hewitson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 41 Posts: 3,772	In that case I strongly suggest replacing the existing SCSI drive with a larger one or using an IDE drive plus an IDE > SCSI converter..

01 May 2011, 20:48	#7
Claw22000 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: St. Paul, MN/USA Age: 46 Posts: 222	They sell a converter to make an IDE work on the Scsi port? If so What do I have to do to make it accept large hard drives? Thanks you might be saving his A3000!

02 May 2011, 14:31	#8
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	Use pfs3ds. Please observe the size limits in the PFS3 documentation, IIRC the max size for a single partition was something like 104GB and max disk was something much more. Alternately: Update scsi.device and use any 64bit capable filesystem.

02 May 2011, 14:40	#9
Hewitson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 41 Posts: 3,772	SFS and FFSTD64 also support Direct-SCSI. Unfortunately I've got no experience with the SCSI-IDE converters, try doing a search on "Acard" which is the company who makes them.

02 May 2011, 18:28	#11
Claw22000 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: St. Paul, MN/USA Age: 46 Posts: 222	PFS35 should be ik right. And what patchstrip file do I use now?

03 May 2011, 00:49	#12
Claw22000 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: St. Paul, MN/USA Age: 46 Posts: 222	ok I looked up Acard and found I can get one for $140 USD shipped. Before I order this I need to know if it is possible to make a larger driver work on this system. I know that I can patchstip the A1200 to work with large IDE drives. Is there a similar way to do this with an A3000 Scsi Interface? Thanks for everyones help

03 May 2011, 07:45	#13
Hewitson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 41 Posts: 3,772	$140?? I'd buy a decent sized SCSI drive off ebay for $10-$15 and be done with it. You can use large drives with either solution if you use PFS3DS or FFSTD64 filesystems.

03 May 2011, 18:21	#15
Claw22000 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: St. Paul, MN/USA Age: 46 Posts: 222	Wouldn't it be better to do the patchstrip on it and make a custom rom with just the goodies in it as he wants os 3.1

03 May 2011, 22:23	#16
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	No, because that patchstrip procedure is related to the A600/1200/4000 IDE driver (which also happens to be called scsi.device). There is no such patch file for the A3000 scsi.device. Extract the scsi.device from the boingbag and use loadmodule or put it in your custom ROM.

04 May 2011, 05:15	#17
Claw22000 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: St. Paul, MN/USA Age: 46 Posts: 222	Ok cool Thanks. Was wondering where I was going to get the needed scsi.device? Has any one tested using this with large drives on the A3000?

04 May 2011, 07:35	#18
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	From the OS3.9BB2 rom update.

05 May 2011, 05:26	#19
Claw22000 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: St. Paul, MN/USA Age: 46 Posts: 222	Sweet I will have to make one up. Is there a way to test the setup on WinUAE with drive an all so I can create it and then stick it in the A3000?

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