ntsc and pal hardware A500

heALer · 15 September 2010, 10:14

Hi, is it some differents between the hardware in an amiga 500 ntsc and Pal.
Can I take a DKB Megachip from a Amiga 500 NTSC machine and put it in a PAL machine for example? What about super denise and agnus?

Jope · 15 September 2010, 10:17

You can. The machine will boot in NTSC mode, but you can of course select what you want in workbench and games should switch the mode they need automatically.

You could also find a suitable PAL Agnus for the megachip and swap that in.

pandy71 · 15 September 2010, 12:15

not sa easy - http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=21961 - differences between PAL and NTSC versions exist

Jope · 15 September 2010, 12:16

The only difficult thing I can see here is sourcing the compatible PAL Agnus (318069-10). Please elaborate?

Zetr0 · 15 September 2010, 12:26

@thread

I prooved a point to my self a few weeks ago with an A2000 motherboard - you can use an 8375 318069-02 as well (common in A600's) as this is pin compatible - However, dont get this confused with an 8375 - 3190544-xx as these are pin-incompatible (mainly found on the A500+)

alexh · 15 September 2010, 12:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetr0

you can use an 8375 318069-02 as well (common in A600's)

Is there such a thing? Never seen one (and you know my previous attempts to bang out the truth for Agnii). Give us a picture.

All of my PAL A600's have 8375 318069-10, 2-Mbyte 8375 Agnus chips, which I was pretty sure didn't work in A2000 without a MegaChip type device.

rkauer · 16 September 2010, 02:41

Alexh, I think the one Zetr0 pointed out is from earlier revisions of the A600, that may be compatible with rev6a A500.

alexh · 16 September 2010, 12:26

Still never seen one. (Not to say they don't exist)

The early A600's I've seen had 2Mbyte 8375 390544 Agnus chips.

http://www.amiga-hardware.com/downlo...mbrev1_big.jpg

Zetr0 · 16 September 2010, 12:30

@alexh / rkauer

its infact an 8375 - 318069-16 (not -02)

(click to zoom)

The A2000 motherboard is Rev6.2 - This outputs perfectly okay to the screen via an SVideo and A520 (although the A520 is some what *shonky* in its output - lotsof colour blare and bleed)

When I got the motherboard I had to repair the +5v to the video port with 30AWG as something decided to use a little bit of the track as fuse wire - irony is the fuse for the +5v is perfectly sound - weird!

Zetr0 · 16 September 2010, 12:32

hmmm I shall grab the Rev6a A500 out tonight and try a couple of Agnii in it =)

alexh · 16 September 2010, 14:59

Yeah, that makes more sense. The -16 is the 8375 in a special package which makes it a 1Mbyte Agnus with a pinout designed to fit in the A2000 and A500 (non plus).

Zetr0 · 17 September 2010, 01:33

hmmm an 8375 thats only 1MB ? is this 100% verified?

I have one of those 1MB mega-chip adapters attached to my A2000 at the moment - its using an 8375 3190544-xx 2MB series adapter -

as we know its pin incompatible with all other Amiga Agnii sockets, on a close inspection it looks like nothing more other than simple routing to be honest - obviously A21 is on the board and theres a small CPLD to negotiate the MUX'ing with GARY (with A21) and the onboard 1MB CHIP.

there shall be some tests made this weekend I think - I have a 8375 318069-xx and an A500 that just loves being used as a test bed.

alexh · 17 September 2010, 08:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zetr0

hmmm an 8375 thats only 1MB ? is this 100% verified?

Yup, 100%

8375 318069-16 = 1Mbyte PAL
8357 318069-17 = 1Mbyte NTSC

heALer · 07 October 2010, 05:46

So If I buy this on Amigakit: http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/...roducts_id=915
And I want to plug it into my pal a500 rev6a, I need to replace super agnus with a PAL super agnus 8372B 318069-03 ? Is that pincompatible?
I also found this info:
If your NTSC DKB MegAChip has a
8375 318069-11 replace it with 8375 318069-10
But another guy says that, According to the service manuals, the A3000 (8372B 318069-03) AGNUS is pin compatable with the rev 6a A500!

I wonder which one it is

heALer · 07 October 2010, 19:50

To remove a Agnus chip from the socket I need a PLCC Extraction Tool, right?

The mini mega chip from Amigakit comes with 8375 318069-11 NTSC, so it must be
a 8375 318069-10 PAL that I should replace it with, common in A600, I found one in my A600 by the way

Antti · 08 October 2010, 07:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by heALer

To remove a Agnus chip from the socket I need a PLCC Extraction Tool, right?

The mini mega chip from Amigakit comes with 8375 318069-11 NTSC, so it must be
a 8375 318069-10 PAL that I should replace it with, common in A600, I found one in my A600 by the way

Plcc extraction tool is the right tool for removing Agnus from the Amiga mb. Agnus in Mini Megi is soldered so you need more than just an extraction tool for that. The ntsc Mini Megi works fine with my pal A500 so I didn't bother replacing the chip with pal version

heALer · 08 October 2010, 17:42

aah okej, I thought it didn't work with ntsc in a pal machine,.. then I don't need to change I guess

heALer · 08 October 2010, 19:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antti

Plcc extraction tool is the right tool for removing Agnus from the Amiga mb. Agnus in Mini Megi is soldered so you need more than just an extraction tool for that. The ntsc Mini Megi works fine with my pal A500 so I didn't bother replacing the chip with pal version

Do you have to change to PAL via early startup menu or in workbench everytime you boot?

Jope · 08 October 2010, 19:23

WB will respect the screenmode prefs, but for games you might need to use the early startup menu or a degrader.

Antti · 09 October 2010, 09:51

Like Jope said

For floppy games I change to PAL in early startup menu. Usually I'm playing WHDLoad games so I don't have to do that very often.

15 September 2010, 10:14	#1
heALer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Sweden Posts: 55	ntsc and pal hardware A500 Hi, is it some differents between the hardware in an amiga 500 ntsc and Pal. Can I take a DKB Megachip from a Amiga 500 NTSC machine and put it in a PAL machine for example? What about super denise and agnus?

07 October 2010, 05:46	#14
heALer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Sweden Posts: 55	So If I buy this on Amigakit: http://amigakit.leamancomputing.com/...roducts_id=915 And I want to plug it into my pal a500 rev6a, I need to replace super agnus with a PAL super agnus 8372B 318069-03 ? Is that pincompatible? I also found this info: If your NTSC DKB MegAChip has a 8375 318069-11 replace it with 8375 318069-10 But another guy says that, According to the service manuals, the A3000 (8372B 318069-03) AGNUS is pin compatable with the rev 6a A500! I wonder which one it is Last edited by heALer; 07 October 2010 at 05:52.

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15 September 2010, 10:17	#2
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	You can. The machine will boot in NTSC mode, but you can of course select what you want in workbench and games should switch the mode they need automatically. You could also find a suitable PAL Agnus for the megachip and swap that in.

15 September 2010, 12:15	#3
pandy71 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: PL? Posts: 2,743	not sa easy - http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=21961 - differences between PAL and NTSC versions exist

15 September 2010, 12:16	#4
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	The only difficult thing I can see here is sourcing the compatible PAL Agnus (318069-10). Please elaborate?

15 September 2010, 12:26	#5
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@thread I prooved a point to my self a few weeks ago with an A2000 motherboard - you can use an 8375 318069-02 as well (common in A600's) as this is pin compatible - However, dont get this confused with an 8375 - 3190544-xx as these are pin-incompatible (mainly found on the A500+)

16 September 2010, 02:41	#7
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	Alexh, I think the one Zetr0 pointed out is from earlier revisions of the A600, that may be compatible with rev6a A500.

16 September 2010, 12:26	#8
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	Still never seen one. (Not to say they don't exist) The early A600's I've seen had 2Mbyte 8375 390544 Agnus chips. http://www.amiga-hardware.com/downlo...mbrev1_big.jpg

16 September 2010, 12:30	#9
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	@alexh / rkauer its infact an 8375 - 318069-16 (not -02) (click to zoom) The A2000 motherboard is Rev6.2 - This outputs perfectly okay to the screen via an SVideo and A520 (although the A520 is some what shonky in its output - lotsof colour blare and bleed) When I got the motherboard I had to repair the +5v to the video port with 30AWG as something decided to use a little bit of the track as fuse wire - irony is the fuse for the +5v is perfectly sound - weird!

16 September 2010, 12:32	#10
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	hmmm I shall grab the Rev6a A500 out tonight and try a couple of Agnii in it =)

16 September 2010, 14:59	#11
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	Yeah, that makes more sense. The -16 is the 8375 in a special package which makes it a 1Mbyte Agnus with a pinout designed to fit in the A2000 and A500 (non plus).

17 September 2010, 01:33	#12
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	hmmm an 8375 thats only 1MB ? is this 100% verified? I have one of those 1MB mega-chip adapters attached to my A2000 at the moment - its using an 8375 3190544-xx 2MB series adapter - as we know its pin incompatible with all other Amiga Agnii sockets, on a close inspection it looks like nothing more other than simple routing to be honest - obviously A21 is on the board and theres a small CPLD to negotiate the MUX'ing with GARY (with A21) and the onboard 1MB CHIP. there shall be some tests made this weekend I think - I have a 8375 318069-xx and an A500 that just loves being used as a test bed.

07 October 2010, 19:50	#15
heALer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Sweden Posts: 55	To remove a Agnus chip from the socket I need a PLCC Extraction Tool, right? The mini mega chip from Amigakit comes with 8375 318069-11 NTSC, so it must be a 8375 318069-10 PAL that I should replace it with, common in A600, I found one in my A600 by the way

08 October 2010, 17:42	#17
heALer Registered User Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Sweden Posts: 55	aah okej, I thought it didn't work with ntsc in a pal machine,.. then I don't need to change I guess

08 October 2010, 19:23	#19
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	WB will respect the screenmode prefs, but for games you might need to use the early startup menu or a degrader.

09 October 2010, 09:51	#20
Antti A500 fan Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Oulu / Finland Posts: 73	Like Jope said For floppy games I change to PAL in early startup menu. Usually I'm playing WHDLoad games so I don't have to do that very often.

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