AmigaOS 3.9 BoingBag #4 - Page 4

Cosmos · 01 November 2010, 12:48

Excuse-me, was very busy...

AOSRomUpdate 44.60a (in the Z) :
- works on my A3000D
- fix misc.resource

Don't know if working (firmware problem):
- CyberStorm MK III
- CyberStorm PPC

Bamiga2002 · 01 November 2010, 13:40

Updated this too, testing as i use WB.

Tumo007 · 03 November 2010, 00:48

Thanks Peter!

I reverted back to the original OS 3.9 icon.library, to 'fix' the iconify bug. I could'nt believe how slow it was

This guy deserve (at least) a beer!

Hope you'll get better soon.

Cheers

PeterK · 03 November 2010, 02:09

Thank you very much for your virtual beer

,
I will have some red wine or brandy tonight
to forget about all the pain in real life for some hours.

wXR · 25 December 2010, 22:00

Are you guys allowed to include the custom pci.library that supports using video memory as RAM in this?

gulliver · 26 December 2010, 02:43

I am sorry, but we are more focused on the core of AmigaOS 3.9 than just a driver file for non standart upgrade, which is only a small part of a full Mediator install.

Anyway, thank you for your suggestion.

Ratte · 29 December 2010, 19:16

It could be better for BB4 to count on OpenPCI (if they ever play with the PCI-idea)
Supports Prometheus, PowerPCI, Pegasos, GRex & Mediator ....

SpeedGeek · 30 December 2010, 07:29

I have been using exec.library 45.23 for over a month now (installed with Loadresident) and it's been quite stable. So why let an unresolved bug in OS Rom Update (on certain Amiga models only) prevent it's inclusion in BB4?

FOL · 01 January 2011, 18:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpeedGeek

I have been using exec.library 45.23 for over a month now (installed with Loadresident) and it's been quite stable. So why let an unresolved bug in OS Rom Update (on certain Amiga models only) prevent it's inclusion in BB4?

I agree, I have been using it for well over a month without issue.
Can you have to download, one that includes it and one that does'nt.

Same with graphics.library beta, I have had no problems with it at all.
However it seems its been removed from re-package of BB4.

wXR · 02 January 2011, 04:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ratte

It could be better for BB4 to count on OpenPCI (if they ever play with the PCI-idea)
Supports Prometheus, PowerPCI, Pegasos, GRex & Mediator ....

Ratte I read somewhere that you are in touch with the developer of OpenPCI. Is he continuing the project? It really would be great to have a unified driver system for all this...

Quote:

Originally Posted by gulliver

@PeterK
I was referring to the .172 -> .173 fix, which I cant remember what it was (that is the other things). Many of us, were still using .172 and not .173 due to the iconification bug.

Hey Gulliver, are you keeping any kind of changelog/tracking system for these boingbags? Maybe we should setup a bug tracker and throw the different components in there?

gulliver · 02 January 2011, 07:41

@Ratte
The problem with OpenPCI vs Elbox Mediator drivers, is that choosing one, means leaving out the features and hardware support the other one has.

So there is no ideal solution. It seems more reasonable for the user to choose by themselves the option they see fits best for their system. OpenPCI seems a better concept, but, as said before it lacks many things.

@wXR
Your idea of a changelog/tracking system is reasonably good, and has been suggested before. I will see it gets implemented somehow.

@FOL & @SpeedGeek
The problem with those updates are:
-Bugs are still there, despite you havent seen them
-The developer has no objections in breaking Amiga coding standarts that keep things compatible/stable.
-They are closed source

So it is quite a gamble. I chose to stay on the safe/stable side. But, of course, it is up to you what you do on your system.

dannyp1 · 02 January 2011, 17:12

It appears that BB4 was changed yesterday to a newer revision but I can't figure out by looking at the site or the read-me file what the differences are. It appears maybe something was removed but I can't tell what or why. A proper changelog would be nice.

Minuous · 02 January 2011, 18:15

Wizard.library was removed due to bugs in it. I reported the bug to the relevant coder a week or two ago and have heard nothing back, so it has been removed for now but will return if the bug is fixed. Similarly, lowlevel.library was removed previously, but in that case I got a response: its coder refused to fix it and would not release the source for anyone else to be able to fix it either.

The changelog is always in the Release Notes (http://amigan.1emu.net/releases/notes.rar). But in future, I will also add this information to the readme.

>The problem with those updates are:
-Bugs are still there, despite you havent seen them

The use of direct calls rather than proper function redirection is a bug, for example.

Also I have been told by certain devs (I will not name anyone), that they were considering making their software incompatible with BB4, to avoid getting bug reports caused by faulty OS components, if it was not removed. Which of course puts me in a difficult situation.

Foul · 19 January 2011, 21:02

got some probs with modified icon.library :

http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=57322

Minuous · 19 January 2011, 23:48

This issue also happens with original OS3.9 icon.library (V45.1), not just PeterK's icon.library.

Foul · 20 January 2011, 00:19

ohh ok, so it's not "only" me

Minuous · 20 January 2011, 08:02

There's now a program to fix these broken NewIcons: http://aminet.net/util/cli/FixNI.lha

Foul · 20 January 2011, 10:27

yes, tested, but still no "appassign" icon

Minuous · 21 January 2011, 14:30

Boing Bag #4 V0.8e is out now and has the latest icon.library. You can get it from http://amigan.1emu.net/releases/

James · 12 March 2011, 18:59

Great project.

Have you considered adding any of these (Aminet):

Titlebar_ic - iconify gadget for AWeb e.t.c.

Ghostbuster - no ghosted icons and option to make WB titlebar appear only when the mouse pointer is over it.

AutoUpdateWB.

02 January 2011, 18:15	#73
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,630	Wizard.library was removed due to bugs in it. I reported the bug to the relevant coder a week or two ago and have heard nothing back, so it has been removed for now but will return if the bug is fixed. Similarly, lowlevel.library was removed previously, but in that case I got a response: its coder refused to fix it and would not release the source for anyone else to be able to fix it either. The changelog is always in the Release Notes (http://amigan.1emu.net/releases/notes.rar). But in future, I will also add this information to the readme. >The problem with those updates are: -Bugs are still there, despite you havent seen them The use of direct calls rather than proper function redirection is a bug, for example. Also I have been told by certain devs (I will not name anyone), that they were considering making their software incompatible with BB4, to avoid getting bug reports caused by faulty OS components, if it was not removed. Which of course puts me in a difficult situation. Last edited by Minuous; 02 January 2011 at 18:41.

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01 November 2010, 12:48	#61
Cosmos Banned Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: France Posts: 655	Excuse-me, was very busy... AOSRomUpdate 44.60a (in the Z) : - works on my A3000D - fix misc.resource Don't know if working (firmware problem): - CyberStorm MK III - CyberStorm PPC

01 November 2010, 13:40	#62
Bamiga2002 BlizzardPPC'less Join Date: May 2004 Location: Finland Age: 46 Posts: 3,210	Updated this too, testing as i use WB.

03 November 2010, 00:48	#63
Tumo007 Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Location: Montreal, CANADA Posts: 56	Thanks Peter! I reverted back to the original OS 3.9 icon.library, to 'fix' the iconify bug. I could'nt believe how slow it was This guy deserve (at least) a beer! Hope you'll get better soon. Cheers

03 November 2010, 02:09	#64
PeterK Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: digital hell, Germany, after 1984, but worse Posts: 3,365	Thank you very much for your virtual beer , I will have some red wine or brandy tonight to forget about all the pain in real life for some hours.

25 December 2010, 22:00	#65
wXR Registered User Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New York Posts: 552	Are you guys allowed to include the custom pci.library that supports using video memory as RAM in this?

26 December 2010, 02:43	#66
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	I am sorry, but we are more focused on the core of AmigaOS 3.9 than just a driver file for non standart upgrade, which is only a small part of a full Mediator install. Anyway, thank you for your suggestion.

29 December 2010, 19:16	#67
Ratte Registered User Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 331	It could be better for BB4 to count on OpenPCI (if they ever play with the PCI-idea) Supports Prometheus, PowerPCI, Pegasos, GRex & Mediator ....

30 December 2010, 07:29	#68
SpeedGeek Moderator Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Wisconsin USA Age: 60 Posts: 839	I have been using exec.library 45.23 for over a month now (installed with Loadresident) and it's been quite stable. So why let an unresolved bug in OS Rom Update (on certain Amiga models only) prevent it's inclusion in BB4?

02 January 2011, 07:41	#71
gulliver BoingBagged Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The South of nowhere Age: 46 Posts: 2,358	@Ratte The problem with OpenPCI vs Elbox Mediator drivers, is that choosing one, means leaving out the features and hardware support the other one has. So there is no ideal solution. It seems more reasonable for the user to choose by themselves the option they see fits best for their system. OpenPCI seems a better concept, but, as said before it lacks many things. @wXR Your idea of a changelog/tracking system is reasonably good, and has been suggested before. I will see it gets implemented somehow. @FOL & @SpeedGeek The problem with those updates are: -Bugs are still there, despite you havent seen them -The developer has no objections in breaking Amiga coding standarts that keep things compatible/stable. -They are closed source So it is quite a gamble. I chose to stay on the safe/stable side. But, of course, it is up to you what you do on your system.

02 January 2011, 17:12	#72
dannyp1 Registered User Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Michigan USA Posts: 168	It appears that BB4 was changed yesterday to a newer revision but I can't figure out by looking at the site or the read-me file what the differences are. It appears maybe something was removed but I can't tell what or why. A proper changelog would be nice.

19 January 2011, 21:02	#74
Foul Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Perigueux/France Age: 49 Posts: 1,516	got some probs with modified icon.library : http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?t=57322

19 January 2011, 23:48	#75
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,630	This issue also happens with original OS3.9 icon.library (V45.1), not just PeterK's icon.library.

20 January 2011, 00:19	#76
Foul Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Perigueux/France Age: 49 Posts: 1,516	ohh ok, so it's not "only" me

20 January 2011, 08:02	#77
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,630	There's now a program to fix these broken NewIcons: http://aminet.net/util/cli/FixNI.lha

20 January 2011, 10:27	#78
Foul Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Perigueux/France Age: 49 Posts: 1,516	yes, tested, but still no "appassign" icon

21 January 2011, 14:30	#79
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,630	Boing Bag #4 V0.8e is out now and has the latest icon.library. You can get it from http://amigan.1emu.net/releases/

12 March 2011, 18:59	#80
James Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Beckenham/England Posts: 795	Great project. Have you considered adding any of these (Aminet): Titlebar_ic - iconify gadget for AWeb e.t.c. Ghostbuster - no ghosted icons and option to make WB titlebar appear only when the mouse pointer is over it. AutoUpdateWB.

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