Future of Amiga?.

[ReadOnlyCat]

Originally Posted by eXeler0

@ReadOnlyCat its not the logic in your reasoning thats at fault here. Its your expectation that everyone else will have a logical approach to their love for retro things. ��
We have all lived different lifes and we all have our personal frame of reference. Just leave it at that. If someone wants to try to run Quake 3 on an OCS Amiga.. let them - without questioning the logic or reasons. Just sit back and enjoy your own personal Amiga experiences ;-)
Cheers

To each his own. For sure. That is precisely what I said in my preamble.

My point was that people should realize what they are really doing and what they are doing is lingering and fiddling with a zombified corpse.

Letting go things that are gone forever and will not come back is much more enjoyable. People will become happier and more active Amiga users once they come to terms with the fact that their loved one is gone.

People mistake their innate and natural pre-adulthood enthusiasm with having to do with the Amiga: it hasn't, it is just how humans grow. My father does not have a shred of nostalgia for 8 bit/16 bit computers, what was magical for him were the things he saw as a child/young adult.
Even damn Atari ST users look at the machine with nostalgic awe and we all know that machine sucked in about every respect compared to the Amiga.

It is not the Amiga we regret, it's having an Amiga while being a kid.
And that prevents many people for enjoying the present day, which in my opinion is a serious psychological problem: letting go is the best thing one can learn in life to become happy and active.

Those better past days are an artifact of how our brains grow. Letting these rose tinted views go will make your enjoyment of the Amiga ten times better. We live in wonderful days, even more so than back then, realizing that does not make the Amigas any less enjoyable but it definitely helps getting rid of this lingering negativity about these mythical "good old days".

Stop regretting. Stop asking for new things. Learn, code, solder. Be the change you want to see in the world.

Edit: and I must apologize if I am using too strong or opiniated language. I guess I am also too passionate about the topic to present my thoughts in a neutral manner. I sure hope I will not antagonize anyone. I sure love every Amiga loving kitten regardless of their retro-orientation!

[trydowave]

Originally Posted by seko

if i have got enough time, i want to finish Remake robocop for amiga.

below Level 1 and level 1 boss scene preview

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This looks great! Keep up the good work mate.

[TCD]

@ReadOnlyCat I'm pretty sure we all got your point by now. Really no need to make even more posts repeating the same things over and over.

I totally agree with you and Akira, but there's so little sense in trying to 'educate' people beyond just stating your opinion and then letting them decide what they think about it. You really try to prove that people are 'wrong' here if they just have a different opinion.

tl;dr: Let it go, Indy

[Thorham]

For me Amigas are stellar retro computing hardware (no nostalgia). My ideal Amiga future would be brand new A1200s with updated connectivity based on a reverse engineered AGA chipset and 68k production license. The only reason it's not going to happen is cash, of course.

[ReadOnlyCat]

Originally Posted by TCD

@ReadOnlyCat I'm pretty sure we all got your point by now. Really no need to make even more posts repeating the same things over and over.

I totally agree with you and Akira, but there's so little sense in trying to 'educate' people beyond just stating your opinion and then letting them decide what they think about it. You really try to prove that people are 'wrong' here if they just have a different opinion.

Whaaaat?
But I had two more chapters ready to post!

Originally Posted by saimon69

@seko
a bit OT but if you need for some more movie-like soundtrack call me, have lot of orchestra samples since working on HOMM 2 soundtrack ^^

Originally Posted by trydowave

This looks great! Keep up the good work mate.

saimon69 and trydowave friends .I'm trying to do my best for amiga

[saimon69]

@seko
I do appreciate

[saimon69]

at the end i will consider a worthy future where is given to Caesar what belong to Caesar, mean if we can remove the "damnatio memoriae" put over the Amiga era from mainstream computer history

[ppcamiga1]

I can explain problem with akira,ReadOnlyCat,thormam with an example.

Imagine a man who last time used a PC when standard PC was 286 with VGA.

This man after 20 years saw pc with windows. And now he tells developers:

Windows is crap, you should throw away everything you done in last 20 years,

and return to programming dos and hardware bang vga card.

Dos is very good os. You should use it.

Developer tell this man you are idiot, we do not throw away everything what we made for windows in last 20 years and return to dos, get lost.

But this moron still try to convert developers from use windows and return to dos.

This is what I as developer feel when some people try to force developers to return to retro and a500 style coding.

People like akira,ReadOnlyCat,thormam should accept fact that majority of Amiga developers, who has been with the Amiga after 1992 use os and don't care about
commodore hardware.

For many reasons, mainly because every amiga made after 1992 has cpu faster than chipset, and writing software that use for example hardware bang blitter is simply stupid.

a500 style coding was nice, but it is not our hobby.
Our hobby is making software for Amiga OS.

Pople like akira,ReadOnlyCat,thormam should accept that and do not try to change this.

[Thorham]

Originally Posted by ppcamiga1

People like akira,ReadOnlyCat,thormam

My handle isn't thormam

Originally Posted by ppcamiga1

Imagine a man who last time used a PC when standard PC was 286 with VGA.

No, I will not imagine this because it's not relevant An Amiga isn't a sucky 286. Amigas are really awesome retro computers and 68k is great

Originally Posted by ppcamiga1

and return to programming dos and hardware bang vga card.

I NEVER said that banging the hardware is always a good idea. It depends on what you want to do.

Originally Posted by ppcamiga1

For many reasons, mainly because every amiga made after 1992 has cpu faster than chipset

Yeah, I know, I have an A1200

Originally Posted by ppcamiga1

and writing software that use for example hardware bang blitter is simply stupid.

Not if, like some people, you're interested in writing software for plain A500 or A1200. Nothing wrong with that.

Originally Posted by ppcamiga1

a500 style coding was nice, but it is not our hobby.

This sounds as if that applies to all developers. Some people write hit the hardware software for low spec machines. Some people write OS friendly software for 68k, and some write only for AOS4.

Originally Posted by ppcamiga1

Pople like akira,ReadOnlyCat,thormam should accept that and do not try to change this.

If you want to write software for AOS then that's fine. Where did I actually try to change this?

[phx]

Originally Posted by ppcamiga1

People like akira,ReadOnlyCat,thormam should accept fact that majority of Amiga developers, who has been with the Amiga after 1992 use os and don't care about
commodore hardware.

You speak for yourself. I doubt that there is a majority behind such statements. Retro-computing, playing the old games of your youth on A500 and A1200, is what made the scene stronger during the last years. It is the original Commodore hardware which makes people return to the Amiga.

a500 style coding was nice, but it is not our hobby.
Our hobby is making software for Amiga OS.

Which software did you write for AmigaOS? I did a lot of that. Also for NG Amigas.
But I still enjoy going back to a plain A500 and write games in 68k assembler, hitting the OCS chipset directly. It's fun.

[wawa]

guys, no need to discuss, the guy has a track of record writing nonsense on all sites just for purpose of winding people up. usually he pops up at times when os4 gets in some serious trouble and tries to blame that on everybody else, as you see on the above example. this time its namely us who hinder the developers, somewhere else its morphos team not open sourcing mui, and so on.. must be really pita.

[ReadOnlyCat]

Originally Posted by ppcamiga1

I can explain problem with akira,ReadOnlyCat,thormam with an example.
[...]
This is what I as developer feel when some people try to force developers to return to retro and a500 style coding.

People like akira,ReadOnlyCat,thormam should accept fact that majority of Amiga developers, who has been with the Amiga after 1992 use os and don't care about
commodore hardware.
[...]
P[e]ople like akira,ReadOnlyCat,thormam should accept that and do not try to change this.

Stating an opinion is not "asking people to change", I never said "you must stop using this system" and I never will.
People should do what they like, but it does not seem outrageous to ask them to call a cat a cat instead of a flying penguin.

Also, this is the first time I read about AmigaDOS being used because of its "retro OS" appeal (*). If you are into retro-Amiga-OS-only, then all good, moreover that allows you to use the modern CPUs of your PCs and Macs so no accelerating issues. I see no logical inconstencies here.

As eXeler0 said, many creatures just are not logically consistent when talking about their retro-Amiga passion. I will learn to deal with it I promise.

By all means do what you love and be happy, that is all I wish for.


(*) Update: actually I am wrong, ptyerman mentioned something like that in another thread but I had forgotten about it.

[Thorham]

Originally Posted by ReadOnlyCat

As eXeler0 said, many creatures just are not logically consistent when talking about their retro-Amiga passion.

Humans aren't rational beings to begin with.

[Sandro]

sorry but the future of the amiga is this

[ReadOnlyCat]

Originally Posted by Thorham

Humans aren't rational beings to begin with.

Being a kitten I keep forgetting about it.

[Predseda]

Originally Posted by Sandro

sorry but the future of the amiga is this

Oh my, I didnt even know my beloved Ami has a humas skeleton!

[Thorham]

Originally Posted by ReadOnlyCat

Being a kitten I keep forgetting about it.

What's with those kittens anyway?

[matthey]

I like the old Amiga hardware but it has limitations. I like the new Amiga hardware which removes limitations while maintaining compatibility. This maximizes software availability including old and retro software while allowing more modern uses and more creativity. This should be good for everyone Amiga. Lack of standards and direction decisions are a problem for new Amiga hardware but the old Amiga hardware still works for those who prefer it. I can understand the new Amiga hardware guys arguing about which way hardware development should go but I don't understand the philosophical argument between old and new Amiga hardware.

[Mrs Beanbag]

all hardware has limitations.

actually i like limitations, just like some people like solving a maze, while another person prefers to run about in the open field.