27 February 2017, 16:05 | #1 |
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Rainbow Island SE (alternative palette)
Thanks to earok's tutorial i'm patching the Rainbow Islands too vivid palette. Island 1 WIP screenshots below. Another version matching the coin-op palette will be also released, the first version will keep a light blue sky for Island 1 (dark blue one in the coin-op).
New palette on the left, old one on the right. Screenshots were taken in WinUAE, I'm using the "Rainbow Islands (1990)(Ocean)[cr QTX][t +2 Slipstream].adf" file since this one displays the title screen. Note that the palette is not totally modified YET : colors 7, 9, 10 and 11 are still the original ones. Some will maybe remain unchanged, depending experimentation results. Any opinion, suggestions or help are welcome. Last edited by Vollldo; 27 February 2017 at 16:10. |
01 March 2017, 00:11 | #2 |
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Insects world 1 finalized, here is a screenshot taken with WinUAE.
Work on world 2 starts tomorow ! Like the new palette ? |
01 March 2017, 00:16 | #3 |
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My friend, I'm going to be totally honest here...
Yes, the palette isn't identical to the arcade version. So what? It doesn't differ that much. It's not like it suffers from the Atari ST "dark palette" problem... For me the Amiga version is a very good port indeed. Yes, it's missing some things that the arcade version had but in 1989 I was (and still am) very happy with this port I don't know; I just think it's a lot of effort you're going through for really not much gain at all... |
01 March 2017, 00:39 | #4 |
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I actually like the colorful Amiga palette more than the original Arcade. It's suits the game theme better imo.
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01 March 2017, 00:53 | #5 |
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Yeah; don't really see the need to change it (hence my post)
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01 March 2017, 00:58 | #6 |
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Well, I disagree.
The Amiga game IS a very good port (how good it is isn't the topic, i like it a lot even it's not a perfect convertion) but the palette is TOO MUCH vivid, saturated, and "slimes" a lot. The Amiga colors choice didn't do justice to this very good game honestly... The "ST dark palette" syndrom is a well known problem, but in this case it's not the problem at all : Rainbow Islands just suffers of a *** very *** bad choice of colors on an artistic point of view. I didn't darken the colors (it would have taken me 15 minutes to patch the whole game in this case !), I totally changed them in soft, pastel and visually clearer and more appealing tones. Put the old and new ones together and you will see plenty of subtiles changes that make the game BETTER TO PLAY. The sprites detach a lot more, everything is a lot clearer. I challenge you to play the original one after have played the new palette one. I tried, and I switched to the new one immediatly : just impossible anymore now to stand the agressive colors they used ! Another one that suffers of a bad artistic color choice is Golden Axe. Just run the Arcade or even the Genesis version and you will see that the Amiga "all-orangina-shake-me-shake-me-baby" palette makes the game mood totally different. I will patch it when Rainbow Islands will be done. If you prefer to loose your eyes health by playing the original version you can of course, but don't count on me to caution a such risky addiction eh eh. . I'm sure you can find people in this forum who will tell you that the original palette of Wonderdog is satisfying, or worst even better than the wonderfull new one that earok did. And it would be a non sense since the new palette is a real beauty^^. Don't accept inertia my friend : if something can be improved to make a game better then it's always a plus. And i know that you share this philosophy because of your "HD to ADF" threads or your constant positive behaviour to request/bring new stuffs. You're right on 1 point though : it was a lot of effort to find a great palette for this first world since MANY tiles and sprites share colors. But as for now i only had super positive comments on facebook and people encourage me to finish quickly, so i presume that i'm not doing this in a vain way. |
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And come on, you can't decently tell that the Amiga palette is better than the coin-op. It's non sense, the coin-op palette is 35 colors, everything just flows better on the screen. Look for example the blue of the sky and the green of the trees in the original Amiga version : they don't match together at all. The green is too light and seems to slime inside the blue. 30 years ago when i was doing graphics on OCP Art Studio on CPC there were colors to *** NEVER, EVER *** put side by side. These two are an example. Last edited by Vollldo; 01 March 2017 at 01:09. |
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It's my opinion, a preference. Which has nothing to do with "nonsense". Normally i don't like these extremely vivid colors in games but here it makes perfectly sense. If you want to hack Amiga games with an awful palette, select Chaos Engine AGA/CD32 or Speedball 2 CD32.
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01 March 2017, 01:26 | #9 |
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Not my opinion, the original Amiga palette is just terrible in an OBJECTIVE graphist point of view. Don't forget your sun glasses to play the old version, otherwise you could finish blind prematurely. If you don't like the new palette then stick to the original one. And i like a lot Chaos Engine and Speedball 2 AGA, so i won't patch them... The next one is Golden Axe, bye bye to the orange syndrome.
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I play it on a CRT TV too, and the colors are totally not right. The coin-op graphists didn't choose pastel tones by random. Note that you are one of the few whom I ever talked who claims that the Amiga Rainbow Islands palette isn't damn agressive, and worst, better than the coin-op one. It's your opinion ok, but your opinion doesn't reflect at all the general feeling about this game. The vast majority of people consider the coin-op and the pc-engine versions as a pure perfection, and again that's not a random.
As far as i remember I always blamed them to have choose such colors. And believe me, I just LOVE this game, it's one of my fav ever (hence the choice !). I still remember playing it when i was at highschool, "F*** why this blue sky ?! Why pure yellow mixed with pure orange ?!"... And many more. The Amiga can do better with a 4096 colors palette, the colors choice were kinda basic (too much RGB components to ZERO !) and I suspect behind this rushed choice an intentional willing to have an easy ST port (or vice versa !). Note that people apparently love the new palette, I have a bunch list of positive and encouraging messages in facebook mailbox (more than 14 000 members into the Amiga group !). And again, as i said, if you like the original strange palette then stick with it. Me, and plenty of others, will savior the new colors and an improved gameplay because of a better readibility. Love the the the bugs and flowers appears well on the darkened trees, sorry ! Quote:
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Find a way to add the three hidden islands again and then i will salute your efforts!
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My Opinion: I dont like the new Palette. Maybe a comparison: Its like the difference between iOS6 and iOS7. Of course in an artistical view the changes may make sense but in usability and human feeling not. the colors are to hard and blending, too much contrast. For me it is hard to determine the important objects because the background is getting the same attention.
I honor your work but I think that you really dont solve a problem. |
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I suspect the graphics to be in PC1 format from the start.... Hence those bizarre tones. Golden Axe Amiga has excellently replicated graphics, but once again, those are Atari ST PC1 files screens 320x200 with header shopped-off ! Hence the color tones on this one too. In real good Amiga 32 colors, Golden Axe would have been awesome I too prefer great vivid colors to the actual colors used on Rainbow Islands. The amiga is made to have vivid palettes, not dark or tarnish ones. Exactly like the CPC ? Or the arcade, which has very neat and bright colors |
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The palette was fine no need to change
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01 March 2017, 11:26 | #16 |
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Ok guys, just use the original terrible palette. Considering the amount of positive opinions that people left this night on my fb, completed with an intensive play test by 10 persons who confirmed the benefits of the new palette, it's my turn to be honest with you : either your daltonian, or blind, or simply locked in an Amiga fan like attitude that prevents you from seeing evidences.
And Dennis, stop saying "n'importe quoi" about the Amiga palette : the Amiga has 4096 colors and is not made to propose vivid palettes. I almost swallowed my toungue when I did read a such idioty seriously ! The CPC has 27 colors, they choosed a lot of vivid colors. On Amiga we have the choice to express various shades. Don't force me to write here a list of HUNDRED games you perfectly know that uses the exact contrary of a vivid palette and are considered as a graphical accomplishment by the whole Amiga community !!!! Oh man, did i whisper... Speedball 2 on OCS for example ? Ups sorry the words came out of my mouth lol. My turn to be honest by taking a revealing example : why do you think they didn't choosed a pure yellow in the world 1 level 1 coin-op version ? To make the yellow items (the lemon in the right at the very beginning says everything lol) be clearly detachable of the bricks ! On Amiga they used 16 colors only : they did the bad choice to choose a pure yellow to draw yellow items AND the bricks. Result is that the bricks dominate and make the yellow items totally lost in a yellow sea (the exact contrary of BrenMxGuire wrote above, the sprites are very difficult to see with the original palette). I choosed the best compromise since the yellow color is shared by fruits and bricks : still a yellow (lemons aren't red) but softer one not to be agressed by the predominance of the bricks ! Adding less agressive sky and all the rest completes the task. On an artistic and also readability point of view the game plays 10 times better. Look at me into my eyes and dare to write that they would have drawn the bricks in pure yellow if they would have choosed a 32 colors mode. They would have choosen the same tone than the coin-op to make item be separated, that's an evidence and not my opinion. Sorry but bad faith fan boy attitude here hey. Last edited by Vollldo; 01 March 2017 at 11:32. |
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Why do you think the colors are wrong. The Amiga colors match the game better than the arcade. That blue on the arcade looks like it's late night for example.
The CPC colors are not "chosen", they are 3bit RGB values. 0,1,2 so..Possible combinations 3*3*3=27. PS that palette was carefully chosen to convert the arcade data to a single 16 color palette so if you change the palette here and there with random colors without planning it will break the graphics. Last edited by nobody; 01 March 2017 at 12:56. |
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Not "terrible". You just prefer a different approach.
Personally I agree with everyone else, that your contrasted-down colors have no place in an arcade game, and the saturated look this game has plays very well with the cutesy mood of the game in general. Your version looks like "Rainbow Islands in Nordic Winter Depression Times" I also never liked the arcade colors, preferred the Amiga version. And most importantly: stop insulting people that disagree with you. |
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You have a greater choice if you have to pick 16 colors on the Amiga, than on the ST. There's no fan boy attitude at all, just a technical aspect you missed. Anyway, i like what you did with the palette, it's more adequate |
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