amos pd library to tosec?

[chip]

I use ADF Workshop mai, but i don't see at startup what you are talking about

Perhaps i miss some databases ....

[mai]

Originally Posted by chip

I use ADF Workshop mai, but i don't see at startup what you are talking about

Perhaps i miss some databases ....

should look like this:

ADF DB loaded : Unrenamed Collection - Berliner Spielekiste (v2014-10-19) => 525 entries
ADF DB loaded : Unrenamed Collection - Faces of Mars (v2014-03-03) => 428 entries
ADF DB loaded : Unrenamed Collection - Franz (v2014-02-25) => 505 entries
ADF DB loaded : Unrenamed Collection - German (v2014-03-03) => 606 entries
ADF DB loaded : Unrenamed Collection - Nordlicht Spiele (v2014-03-03) => 344 entries
ADF DB loaded : Unrenamed Collection - Saar (v2014-03-03) => 70 entries
ADF DB loaded : Unrenamed Collection - Time (v2014-03-03) => 456 entries
ADF DB loaded : Unrenamed Collection - TOGA (v2015-03-02) => 1024 entries

Meanwhile a few of them were added to TOSEC, probably my databases are also not up to date.

[chip]

No mai

My ADF Workshop startup looks like this

FID DB loaded : 35 entries

ABR DB loaded : 1369 entries

ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - Data (2013-03-28) => 14 entries
ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - FalseVirus (2013-02-24) => 8 entries
ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - Game (2013-04-08) => 10 entries
ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - Harmful (2013-03-28) => 43 entries
ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - Intro (2013-03-23) => 91 entries
ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - Loader (2014-03-23) => 122 entries
ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - Logo (2013-12-10) => 28 entries
ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - Menu (2013-02-24) => 17 entries
ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - Message (2013-03-23) => 54 entries
ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - Standard (2013-03-22) => 54 entries
ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - Utility (2013-03-23) => 412 entries
ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - Virus (2014-08-08) => 223 entries

DMS DB loaded : Auto-fix DMS => 248 entries

DMS DB loaded : Auto-decrypt DMS => 20 entries

EXE DB loaded : File - Advertisement (2015-04-03) => 57 entries
EXE DB loaded : File - Disk-Validator (2014-08-05) => 5 entries
EXE DB loaded : File - Fake (2014-06-14) => 6 entries
EXE DB loaded : File - Harmful (2014-06-14) => 16 entries
EXE DB loaded : File - Loader (2015-04-02) => 67 entries
EXE DB loaded : File - Trojan (2014-08-06) => 88 entries
EXE DB loaded : File - Virus (2014-09-05) => 23 entries
EXE DB loaded : File - Virus Installer (2014-08-01) => 12 entries

[mai]

Originally Posted by chip

No mai

My ADF Workshop startup looks like this

FID DB loaded : 35 entries

ABR DB loaded : 1369 entries

ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - Data (2013-03-28) => 14 entries
ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - FalseVirus (2013-02-24) => 8 entries
ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - Game (2013-04-08) => 10 entries
ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - Harmful (2013-03-28) => 43 entries
ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - Intro (2013-03-23) => 91 entries
ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - Loader (2014-03-23) => 122 entries
ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - Logo (2013-12-10) => 28 entries
ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - Menu (2013-02-24) => 17 entries
ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - Message (2013-03-23) => 54 entries
ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - Standard (2013-03-22) => 54 entries
ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - Utility (2013-03-23) => 412 entries
ABB DB loaded : Bootblock - Virus (2014-08-08) => 223 entries

DMS DB loaded : Auto-fix DMS => 248 entries

DMS DB loaded : Auto-decrypt DMS => 20 entries

EXE DB loaded : File - Advertisement (2015-04-03) => 57 entries
EXE DB loaded : File - Disk-Validator (2014-08-05) => 5 entries
EXE DB loaded : File - Fake (2014-06-14) => 6 entries
EXE DB loaded : File - Harmful (2014-06-14) => 16 entries
EXE DB loaded : File - Loader (2015-04-02) => 67 entries
EXE DB loaded : File - Trojan (2014-08-06) => 88 entries
EXE DB loaded : File - Virus (2014-09-05) => 23 entries
EXE DB loaded : File - Virus Installer (2014-08-01) => 12 entries

then you have no databases in ADF-Workshop/database_ADF
without databases ADF-Workshop is not that powerful!

probably latest official databases:
/~Uploads/Crashdisk/ADF-Workshop Database on EAB FTP!

[onkelarie]

Originally Posted by mai

rather
Official Amos PD Library #012, The (1990)(Tucker, Anne)[rebuilt].adf

As said, for me its still unclear, how to handle this series, some disks are already in TOSEC, scattered in different sections!
Maybe Crashdisk can say something about this topic, since he was maintainer of Collection sections too!

Thank you! I'll maintain your proposed filename format for the collection, even if you guys decide it will not appear in TOSEC. Great time killer anyway

I noticed the releases of many of the games in the Games - PD [ADF] section as well, it's still unclear for me if for instance programs or utilities are in the TOSEC collection as well, I'll keep an eye out for that as well meanwhile. My TOSEC collection is pretty much complete, only missing about 10 ADF's or so. Should suffice to be pretty clear about existence of certain finds.

[chip]

So, mai, what is the use of databases ADF in ADF Workshop ?

I use this tool with no databases and it works fine anyway

[mai]

Originally Posted by chip

So, mai, what is the use of databases ADF in ADF Workshop ?

I use this tool with no databases and it works fine anyway

sorry,
just download databases and you see the difference.
If you find somewhere an unrenamed ADF/DMS, ADF-Workshop ant recognize if this disk image is known without databases!

just an example!

without databases:

File selected : 1.adf
File size : 901.120 bytes
CRC32 : $C7562B57
File loaded as an ADF : AmigaDOS OFS



Bootblock specification:
- Autoboot
- OFS (Original File System)
- Identification with ABR engine : <Standard> AmigaDOS Standard - 2.0 OFS
- Identification with DWP engine : <Standard> Commodore Install WB v2.04 OFS

----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Bootblock |
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|$0000|DOS.ã=.s...pCú.>p%N®ýØJ€g."@.é..."N®þbCú..N®ÿJ€g. @ h..p.NupÿNu|
|$0040|dos.library.expansion.library...................................|
|$0080|................................................................|
|$00C0|................................................................|
|$0100|................................................................|
|$0140|................................................................|
|$0180|................................................................|
|$01C0|................................................................|
|$0200|................................................................|
|$0240|................................................................|
|$0280|................................................................|
|$02C0|................................................................|
|$0300|................................................................|
|$0340|................................................................|
|$0380|................................................................|
|$03C0|................................................................|
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Disk Format : Bootable DOS disk
- Block Allocation Map was found in sector 881
- Disk name : <O-Zone...1 2 Polizei!>
- Filesystem creation : 1994.11.09 16:29:17
- Last root alteration : 1994.09.26 20:23:53
- Last disk alteration : 1994.11.09 16:58:57
- Rate of filling : 93.22% (based on BAM information)
- Rate of filling : 93.22% (based on sectors identification)

----------------------------
| s/startup-sequence |
----------------------------
| ; Franz 94 * 9-11-94 16:57 |
| 12.exe |
----------------------------

----------------------- -------- -------- -- -- -- ---------------- -----------------
Content list | Size | CRC32 |BA|HR|SQ| Date | Information |
----------------------- -------- -------- -- -- -- ---------------- -----------------
s/ | <DIR>| |OK|OK| |1994.11.09 16:58| |
s/Startup-sequence | 34|A1A8F817|OK|OK|OK|1994.11.09 16:58| |
12.exe | 28.732|57AA9767|OK|OK|OK|1994.09.26 20:23| |
Dat00.bin | 6.994|FEB88976|OK|OK|OK|1994.11.09 16:18| |
Dat01.bin | 65.718|76E360E2|OK|OK|OK|1994.11.09 14:39| |
mod.12Polizei | 683.606|E117423A|OK|OK|OK|1994.11.09 14:27| |
----------------------- -------- -------- -- -- -- ---------------- -----------------

Calculate fingerprints for this ADF :
SHA1 : 85CC403BA6BDC07219F1068986769F0508A2D62E
MD5 : 7B4184062ACB022BED481C7AA12A74D3
CRC32 : C7562B57

with databases:

File selected : 1.adf
File size : 901.120 bytes
CRC32 : $C7562B57
File loaded as an ADF : AmigaDOS OFS


CRC32 based identification :
Clean disk______*[C7562B57] 1, 2, Polizei (1994-11-09)(O-Zone)(AGA)

Bootblock specification:
- Autoboot
- OFS (Original File System)
- Identification with ABR engine : <Standard> AmigaDOS Standard - 2.0 OFS
- Identification with DWP engine : <Standard> Commodore Install WB v2.04 OFS

----------------------------------------------------------------------
| Bootblock |
----------------------------------------------------------------------
|$0000|DOS.ã=.s...pCú.>p%N®ýØJ€g."@.é..."N®þbCú..N®ÿJ€g. @ h..p.NupÿNu|
|$0040|dos.library.expansion.library...................................|
|$0080|................................................................|
|$00C0|................................................................|
|$0100|................................................................|
|$0140|................................................................|
|$0180|................................................................|
|$01C0|................................................................|
|$0200|................................................................|
|$0240|................................................................|
|$0280|................................................................|
|$02C0|................................................................|
|$0300|................................................................|
|$0340|................................................................|
|$0380|................................................................|
|$03C0|................................................................|
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Disk Format : Bootable DOS disk
- Block Allocation Map was found in sector 881
- Disk name : <O-Zone...1 2 Polizei!>
- Filesystem creation : 1994.11.09 16:29:17
- Last root alteration : 1994.09.26 20:23:53
- Last disk alteration : 1994.11.09 16:58:57
- Rate of filling : 93.22% (based on BAM information)
- Rate of filling : 93.22% (based on sectors identification)

----------------------------
| s/startup-sequence |
----------------------------
| ; Franz 94 * 9-11-94 16:57 |
| 12.exe |
----------------------------

----------------------- -------- -------- -- -- -- ---------------- -----------------
Content list | Size | CRC32 |BA|HR|SQ| Date | Information |
----------------------- -------- -------- -- -- -- ---------------- -----------------
s/ | <DIR>| |OK|OK| |1994.11.09 16:58| |
s/Startup-sequence | 34|A1A8F817|OK|OK|OK|1994.11.09 16:58| |
12.exe | 28.732|57AA9767|OK|OK|OK|1994.09.26 20:23| |
Dat00.bin | 6.994|FEB88976|OK|OK|OK|1994.11.09 16:18| |
Dat01.bin | 65.718|76E360E2|OK|OK|OK|1994.11.09 14:39| |
mod.12Polizei | 683.606|E117423A|OK|OK|OK|1994.11.09 14:27| |
----------------------- -------- -------- -- -- -- ---------------- -----------------

Calculate fingerprints for this ADF :
SHA1 : 85CC403BA6BDC07219F1068986769F0508A2D62E
MD5 : 7B4184062ACB022BED481C7AA12A74D3
CRC32 : C7562B57

oh, surprising, its just
1, 2, Polizei (1994-11-09)(O-Zone)(AGA)
already known and added to TOSEC1

[chip]

Ah, ok, so this is strictly related to TOSEC project

In other words, i can easily know if an ADF is know or not according to the loaded databases

Interesting, but meaningless if you are not interested in searching new stuff for TOSEC inclusion

Anyway, thanks for the info mai

[mai]

Originally Posted by chip

In other words, i can easily know if an ADF is know or not according to the loaded databases

Interesting, but meaningless if you are not interested in searching new stuff for TOSEC inclusion

of course its your decision to use the databases or not!

[chip]

It's just curiosity ..... how many databases exist ?

[onkelarie]

@mai

While diving deeper into the cd-rom of Amos PD Library, this collection was most likely a big effort on behalf of mentioned Anne Tucker back in 1994. When I match disks from this collection with the PD equivalents in the Games PD tosec list, Amos PD Lib disks are mere rip offs of those disks with a replacement splashscreen after booting.

What still might be interesting, if these 'disks' were ever released back in the day anyway. I can't find any trace of it. But as for TOSEC exclusion, you're absolutely right.

[mai]

Originally Posted by chip

It's just curiosity ..... how many databases exist ?

much interest for a meaningless feature!
just check it for yourself, i have posted a link in post #24 of this thread.

Originally Posted by onkelarie

@mai

While diving deeper into the cd-rom of Amos PD Library, this collection was most likely a big effort on behalf of mentioned Anne Tucker back in 1994. When I match disks from this collection with the PD equivalents in the Games PD tosec list, Amos PD Lib disks are mere rip offs of those disks with a replacement splashscreen after booting.

What still might be interesting, if these 'disks' were ever released back in the day anyway. I can't find any trace of it. But as for TOSEC exclusion, you're absolutely right.

There are a few disks of this series on "UPD Gold (1995)(Weird Science)(Disc 4 of 4)" in DMS format.
I still wonder, if the CD

AMOS PD AMOS PD 1 638
General PD 1 255

listed on this page:
http://www.amiga-stuff.com/pd/
is the same as

Network CD AMOS PD 471 610
Fred Fish 801 975
TBAG 1 74

[chip]

I see, there are 4 databases to download
If i will start to contribute to TOSEC, i will take them (but i don't think so at the moment)

[onkelarie]

Originally Posted by mai

There are a few disks of this series on "UPD Gold (1995)(Weird Science)(Disc 4 of 4)" in DMS format.

I found some disk folders which contain bootable AMOS games which are not yet in TOSEC. For instance Treasure search (#002 if memory serves me right). I'll try to make a list of yet unknown games and/or applications first.

What's also weird in the collection, is the presence of st-01 and st-02 disks in the collection.

[mai]

i have found this:
http://cd.textfiles.com/amigaformat/...nce/amos-2.htm

there you can read:
All disks in DMS format.

So, exists this CD as ISO somewhere, at least i cant find it!?

There is also this page, probably with entire collection in DMS format, but needs registering:
http://www.ultimateamiga.co.uk/index...ic,9189.0.html

[chip]

I also tried to search the second chapter of this CD, but it seems difficult to find

[rygar]

Here is working link:
http://www.ultimateamiga.co.uk/Hoste.../AmosPD_CD.iso

[onkelarie]

Originally Posted by mai

i have found this:
http://cd.textfiles.com/amigaformat/...nce/amos-2.htm

there you can read:
All disks in DMS format.

So, exists this CD as ISO somewhere, at least i cant find it!?

There is also this page, probably with entire collection in DMS format, but needs registering:
http://www.ultimateamiga.co.uk/index...ic,9189.0.html

Originally Posted by rygar

Here is working link:
http://www.ultimateamiga.co.uk/Hoste.../AmosPD_CD.iso

Awesome finds!

[tomse]

@onkelarie these CD's you have, are they of original origin or are they compiled by someone?

if they are of original origin, I'd like to add them to TOSEC ISO, scans of discs, covers etc would be very welcomed as well.

Can you upload them to eab's fileserver for me please

[onkelarie]

Originally Posted by tomse

@onkelarie these CD's you have, are they of original origin or are they compiled by someone?

if they are of original origin, I'd like to add them to TOSEC ISO, scans of discs, covers etc would be very welcomed as well.

Can you upload them to eab's fileserver for me please

I only found the first Amos PD Library myself as an ISO on Archive.org, which was compiled by Sandra Tucker back in 1994. This one is already in the TOSEC-ISO repo.

As for the other one that Mai found (see a few posts up), I'm not sure yet if it exists in the TOSEC-ISO collection. I think not, because checking the ISO against the TOSEC list didn't result in a checksum match.

I did find some DMS images in the latter ISO that also occur as ADF entries in the Games - PD [ADF] TOSEC list, and some DMS images are not (yet) in TOSEC.

But as for the ISO images, the links to the ISO's are mentioned in this thread