Terrible Fire Accelerators - Page 152

mattymuc · 30 March 2018, 01:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by jediknight

plasmab any thoughts of bulding a new 1200 motherboard?? copy original , what would you charge?

Just wait for Jens A1200 Reloaded...

EzdineG · 30 March 2018, 02:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattymuc

Just wait for Jens A1200 Reloaded...

Yea, only $500 unpopulated.

plasmab · 30 March 2018, 08:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by jediknight

plasmab any thoughts of bulding a new 1200 motherboard?? copy original , what would you charge?

I think changing stuff on motherboards is a path to a support nightmare.

I would build a PCI bridge onto a board, maybe add another IDE channel and buffer it.

utri007 · 30 March 2018, 11:28

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Originally Posted by EzdineG

Yea, only $500 unpopulated.

It is not nice to spread FUD. It will sell as a complete product.

The target price of the main board with AGA chips, DVI-I output and RTG solution is in the 350,- EUR

plasmab · 30 March 2018, 16:00

Quote:

Originally Posted by utri007

It is not nice to spread FUD. It will sell as a complete product.

The target price of the main board with AGA chips, DVI-I output and RTG solution is in the 350,- EUR

Getting a bit off topic here.

8 Bit Dreams · 30 March 2018, 22:24

@ Stephen:
Finally found time to solder up a Rev.3 PCB i got from You - runs nice @50Mhz on A500, however, has same gitches on A2000 like mine Rev.2 boards tested before..

Have also tried Rev.3 with some Zorro II cards i have here:
AT Bus Clone 2008 (IDE Board)
4MB RAM Card
both Zorro II cards are not working with TF - 4MB RAM card is shown as defective
if i add IDE Card - both Zorro cards are ignored.

All tests was done with and without CDIS jumper mounted..

Waiting on 74F139 demultiplexers now, to be able to build 2.5 Slow RAM GARY adapter, however, i got a feeling, it will not work with RC2 for same reason.. Can You, please, take a look at it some day?

Actually, A2000 firmware is urgently needed as many users are asking for it..

Will test both rev's TF530 with A1000 tomorrow and post my results here
regards,

-Viktor

alenppc · 31 March 2018, 03:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8 Bit Dreams

Waiting on 74F139 demultiplexers now, to be able to build 2.5 Slow RAM GARY adapter, however, i got a feeling, it will not work with RC2 for same reason.. Can You, please, take a look at it some day?

I've been meaning to build one of these and send it to Stephen to help him reproduce the issue but I keep having trouble finding working ram chips. (The Chinese ones are very much a hit and a miss.) I am hoping to be able to do this soon... it's a long weekend and the kid has being exhausting me, but hopefully I can do this on Monday.

plasmab · 31 March 2018, 10:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by alenppc

I've been meaning to build one of these and send it to Stephen to help him reproduce the issue but I keep having trouble finding working ram chips. (The Chinese ones are very much a hit and a miss.) I am hoping to be able to do this soon... it's a long weekend and the kid has being exhausting me, but hopefully I can do this on Monday.

Yeah I am aware people are waiting on stuff. I haven’t even been able to set foot in the lab for a week due to other stuff going on. It’s setup to debug the TF534 at the moment.

I’ve not even had time to play with my new logic analyser... so much going on.

As many will be aware I went to sit my instrument rating test and wasn’t able to due to a missing bit of paper (actually a date on the last page of a bit of paper I had was out) so I’ve been rebooking everything, getting a new visa, looking after my child because my wife has been going crazy with me away and trying to catch up at work from all the time I’ve been off.

I’ve built the TF534 but there is an issue with the FPU .. not sure if it’s a soldering or logic issue yet.

plasmab · 31 March 2018, 12:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8 Bit Dreams

@ Stephen:

Actually, A2000 firmware is urgently needed as many users are asking for it..

I've never officially supported the A2000 with the TF530. Its aimed at the A500 and Atari STFM. I'm happy to try and tweak things for the 2000 but I dont intend to spend months on it. This is what the 534 is aimed at fixing.

8 Bit Dreams · 31 March 2018, 15:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasmab

I've never officially supported the A2000 with the TF530. Its aimed at the A500 and Atari STFM. I'm happy to try and tweak things for the 2000 but I dont intend to spend months on it. This is what the 534 is aimed at fixing.

I know, mate,
first thing i do - i warn about it all single person obtaining a board from me. Also everyone was warned it is rather a hobby than a commercial project done by one single person in free time between work and family. So users should accept it or free to go for commercial products.. So it's totally ok. I just asked about with hope that You take a look at it some day, especially, after that pre-RC firmware is working otherwise fine except been a bit picky to CF cards. That's it..

There is one more thing about RC2 firmware i have noticed by myself and also some users have reported to me. Wanna share it here, maybe someone else had same problems. Maybe it is indeed what's causing crashing on 534:

I'm building 50Mhz boards only, so my further experiments was done on 50Mhz boards only.. Since i started to use 1k resistor array's - i have noticed that almost all cards have problems at boot. LED light flashes for 2-3 seconds, then reboot follows, LED flashes, Amiga reboots (again) till finally Software Guru message appears, after pressing left mouse button - board loads fine and works without any issues. I can load WHDLoad games and software without any issues..till i do soft reboot. then that all repeats... Boards with 2k2 or 4k7 resistor array's are not affected with this issue.. i have to admit 1k resistence is a bit too low..
Did anyone had same issues here?

plasmab · 31 March 2018, 15:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8 Bit Dreams

I know, mate,
first thing i do - i warn about it all single person obtaining a board from me. Also everyone was warned it is rather a hobby than a commercial project done by one single person in free time between work and family. So users should accept it or free to go for commercial products.. So it's totally ok. I just asked about with hope that You take a look at it some day, especially, after that pre-RC firmware is working otherwise fine except been a bit picky to CF cards. That's it..

There is one more thing about RC2 firmware i have noticed by myself and also some users have reported to me. Wanna share it here, maybe someone else had same problems. Maybe it is indeed what's causing crashing on 534:

I'm building 50Mhz boards only, so my further experiments was done on 50Mhz boards only.. Since i started to use 1k resistor array's - i have noticed that almost all cards have problems at boot. LED light flashes for 2-3 seconds, then reboot follows, LED flashes, Amiga reboots (again) till finally Software Guru message appears, after pressing left mouse button - board loads fine and works without any issues. I can load WHDLoad games and software without any issues..till i do soft reboot. then that all repeats... Boards with 2k2 or 4k7 resistor array's are not affected with this issue.. i have to admit 1k resistence is a bit too low..
Did anyone had same issues here?

Possibly having this issue with TF534 right now. I suspect it’s causing too much current draw for the Amiga power supply.

Homer79 · 31 March 2018, 20:17

Although I only have my board running at 25Mhz at the moment, I've since
had a new 030+fpu rated for 40Mhz delivered. Would i need to tweak the
component values or am I ok to run at 40Mhz once the new crystal is delivered.

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8 Bit Dreams

I know, mate,
first thing i do - i warn about it all single person obtaining a board from me. Also everyone was warned it is rather a hobby than a commercial project done by one single person in free time between work and family. So users should accept it or free to go for commercial products.. So it's totally ok. I just asked about with hope that You take a look at it some day, especially, after that pre-RC firmware is working otherwise fine except been a bit picky to CF cards. That's it..

There is one more thing about RC2 firmware i have noticed by myself and also some users have reported to me. Wanna share it here, maybe someone else had same problems. Maybe it is indeed what's causing crashing on 534:

I'm building 50Mhz boards only, so my further experiments was done on 50Mhz boards only.. Since i started to use 1k resistor array's - i have noticed that almost all cards have problems at boot. LED light flashes for 2-3 seconds, then reboot follows, LED flashes, Amiga reboots (again) till finally Software Guru message appears, after pressing left mouse button - board loads fine and works without any issues. I can load WHDLoad games and software without any issues..till i do soft reboot. then that all repeats... Boards with 2k2 or 4k7 resistor array's are not affected with this issue.. i have to admit 1k resistence is a bit too low..
Did anyone had same issues here?

8 Bit Dreams · 31 March 2018, 20:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homer79

Although I only have my board running at 25Mhz at the moment, I've since
had a new 030+fpu rated for 40Mhz delivered. Would i need to tweak the
component values or am I ok to run at 40Mhz once the new crystal is delivered.

You can do a slight overclock of 40Mhz CPU & FPU and let them run @50Mhz, these work nice and stable even without heatsinks, however, i do install passive heatsinks for boards shipped to Australia & Italy as they have more sunny days as usual german summer

What about resistor array's we spoken above - try Your build and let us know if You have any stability issues

Homer79 · 01 April 2018, 18:17

It is very annoying, I have a gotek drive which I've reflashed but it only displays F-F
When its powered up. I can do USB updates, but alas it does nothing else.
But the jumpers on this drive are different to all the conversion guides.
I've flashed Diagram and I can do every test fine, its showing the TF530 board.
I did wonder what the 64K memory segment was for though.
Unless there is a way of preparing the compact flash drive in windows I'm stuck
Waiting for my new gotek drive to arrive.
Which of the resistor networks do you need to change for stability?

8 Bit Dreams · 01 April 2018, 20:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homer79

It is very annoying, I have a gotek drive which I've reflashed but it only displays F-F
When its powered up. I can do USB updates, but alas it does nothing else.

did You copied the files necessary to boot into root?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homer79

Unless there is a way of preparing the compact flash drive in windows I'm stuck
Waiting for my new gotek drive to arrive.

Use WinUAE and you'll be fine
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Quote:

Originally Posted by Homer79

Which of the resistor networks do you need to change for stability?

seems that one beneath the FPU is the bugger

PS
totally missed the stream today... There was no notification for it!?
PPS
have tested EzdineG's A1000 adaptor today, i can confirm it works excellent with TF530 accelerator card. Pictures will follow soon

plasmab · 05 April 2018, 09:18

Started to build another TF534 last night. Update later tonight

8 Bit Dreams · 05 April 2018, 19:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasmab

Started to build another TF534 last night. Update later tonight

Hope this will give us a lot of answers

plasmab · 05 April 2018, 23:40

Same issue seen with clean build. Even when powered by the 6632B... will investigate further

8 Bit Dreams · 06 April 2018, 09:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by plasmab

Same issue seen with clean build. Even when powered by the 6632B... will investigate further

Hmm..Ok, at least we know it isn't hardware related..

plasmab · 06 April 2018, 10:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by 8 Bit Dreams

Hmm..Ok, at least we know it isn't hardware related..

I’m betting I’ve not decoupled the ram cpld enough. However the issue seems to get worse the more caps I put on. Very strange

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30 March 2018, 22:24	#3026
8 Bit Dreams Retro maniac Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: near Munich / Germany Posts: 485	@ Stephen: Finally found time to solder up a Rev.3 PCB i got from You - runs nice @50Mhz on A500, however, has same gitches on A2000 like mine Rev.2 boards tested before.. Have also tried Rev.3 with some Zorro II cards i have here: AT Bus Clone 2008 (IDE Board) 4MB RAM Card both Zorro II cards are not working with TF - 4MB RAM card is shown as defective if i add IDE Card - both Zorro cards are ignored. All tests was done with and without CDIS jumper mounted.. Waiting on 74F139 demultiplexers now, to be able to build 2.5 Slow RAM GARY adapter, however, i got a feeling, it will not work with RC2 for same reason.. Can You, please, take a look at it some day? Actually, A2000 firmware is urgently needed as many users are asking for it.. Will test both rev's TF530 with A1000 tomorrow and post my results here regards, -Viktor

01 April 2018, 18:17	#3034
Homer79 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Redruth Posts: 24	It is very annoying, I have a gotek drive which I've reflashed but it only displays F-F When its powered up. I can do USB updates, but alas it does nothing else. But the jumpers on this drive are different to all the conversion guides. I've flashed Diagram and I can do every test fine, its showing the TF530 board. I did wonder what the 64K memory segment was for though. Unless there is a way of preparing the compact flash drive in windows I'm stuck Waiting for my new gotek drive to arrive. Which of the resistor networks do you need to change for stability?

05 April 2018, 09:18	#3036
plasmab Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: UK Posts: 2,917	Started to build another TF534 last night. Update later tonight

05 April 2018, 23:40	#3038
plasmab Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: UK Posts: 2,917	Same issue seen with clean build. Even when powered by the 6632B... will investigate further

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