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Old 14 April 2018, 14:52   #41
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Can an OCS machine have 2 MB of chipram?
Yep, but the Agnus revision will limit how much chipram can be addressed.

http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=...6&postcount=13
http://www.bigbookofamigahardware.co...t.aspx?id=1478

Your question is a good one, though, and I know why you asked it! All the A500/KS 3.1 configs I listed in my post above have been clarified - my A500/KS 3.1 system has 2MB chip + 8375B Agnus (DKB Megachip) and an 8362 OCS Denise (just popped the lid on the A500 to make sure!).

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Yes in the ADF in the zone, i have changed format FFS too for booting on ks1.x
Have you test also the ADF in the zone in your test? (I am curious about the "more compatible" in winuae)
I didn't test your ADF, but I converted the DMS archive in FFS that I downloaded from the FTP server to OFS and, from memory, it made no difference to my results for these configs in quick tests:

(a) A500, OCS, KS1.3, 1MB chip ----> FAIL

(b) A500, OCS, KS3.1, 2MB chip ----> FAIL [see photo #3]

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Old 14 April 2018, 15:23   #42
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with reqtools.library and powerpacker.library modified too? because on winuae with or without "more compatible" option, the adf in ftp not running on 68000. The FFS/OFS is just for booting on ks1.3x. The ADF on the zone launch the game with 68000 but without "more compatible option" only

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with reqtools.library and powerpacker.library modified too? because on winuae with or without "more compatible" option, the adf in ftp not running on 68000. The FFS/OFS is just for booting on ks1.3x. The ADF on the zone launch the game with 68000 but without "more compatible option" only
As I said before in post #36, despite F1 Licenceware using a newer version of pplib/reqtools than you did in your ADF in the Zone......there should be no difference as they are all KS1.3 compatible.

I can't say why your ADF in the Zone works under emulation with 68000, but only if the "more compatible" option box isn't ticked. That's possibly a question for Toni or one of the other emulation gurus. My interest atm is mostly concerned with what specs are required for the original *unmodified* version of the game released by F1 Licenceware, as the HOL is all about original releases of games.

If we can produce a 68000 compatible version of the game that works on both real hardware and under emulation with KS1.3 and 2MB chipram.....then, obviously, I'd be all for it! I'll try to look into it tomorrow if I get the time, but right now I'm a little fatigued from work today plus all the testing, photo taking, posting about results etc. etc. and I really need to have some dinner (it's 10pm here and I've been too busy to eat anything yet today!). I'm sure you can understand!

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000 fix into The Zone!

Please test.

Edit: Just noticed a 1998 version into the zone but actually differ only in wwn.doc (an exclusive licensing to F1 Software).
Main code/data is exactly the same. Fell free to use this complementary file.

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I can't say why your ADF in the Zone works under emulation with 68000, but only if the "more compatible" option box isn't ticked. That's possibly a question for Toni or one of the other emulation gurus.
From what I understood the "more compatible" option emulate prefetch perfectly (so by activating it the emulation is slightly slower).
In this case, however, the problem is a longword reading from an odd address [move.l (a0)+,(a2)+ where a0 is odd]
So in in my opinion should be corrected in WinUAE.
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With your fix, ok for me. The game now loading with or without "more compatible" option.
The minimum are 68000, OCS, KS1.X, he just needs 2Mo Chip


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With your fix, ok for me. The game now loading with or without "more compatible" option.
The minimum are 68000, OCS, KS1.X, he just needs 2Mo Chip


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000 fix into The Zone!

Please test.

Edit: Just noticed a 1998 version into the zone but actually differ only in wwn.doc (an exclusive licensing to F1 Software).
Main code/data is exactly the same. Fell free to use this complementary file.
Awesome work as always ross

...just copied your fixed "wwn" file over to the TOSEC "Willy's Weirdy Nightmare (1995)(AGAS - F1 Licenceware)(LW)[1998 edition][AMOS].adf" and all is working perfectly with a "Quickstart A600 - 2MB" config
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...just copied your fixed "wwn" file over to the TOSEC "Willy's Weirdy Nightmare (1995)(AGAS - F1 Licenceware)(LW)[1998 edition][AMOS].adf" and all is working perfectly with a "Quickstart A600 - 2MB" config
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Have you test also the ADF in the zone in your test? (I am curious about the "more compatible" option in winuae because the ADF in FTP not working on 68000 with and without more compatible option)
Just tested it on A500/OCS/KS3.1/2MB chip and sorry to say that it doesn't work - it produces exactly same result as in photo #3 from my original tests.

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000 fix into The Zone!

Please test.
Molto bene.....beautiful work! This tested fine on the following real Amiga set-ups here:

(a) A500 / OCS / KS3.1 / 2MB chip

(b) A500 / OCS / KS3.1 / 2MB chip / 68030

(c) A1200 / KS3.1 / 2MB chip / 64MB fast / 68030

It did not work, however, under any A500/A1200 config. here that I tried with only 1MB chipram.....so yes, min. specs required for your fix are 68000 CPU, OCS, KS1.x and 2MB chipram.

Rosario (queste e` il tuo nome - vero?! ), are you able to explain exactly why the game won't work with 1MB chipram? Is it the result of buggy AMOS compiling or something else?! The game reports system error #24 on a black screen here and says to contact the game author to let him know!

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From what I understood the "more compatible" option emulate prefetch perfectly (so by activating it the emulation is slightly slower).
In this case, however, the problem is a longword reading from an odd address [move.l (a0)+,(a2)+ where a0 is odd]
So in in my opinion should be corrected in WinUAE.
So that "technically" is a bug in emulation? In other words, it causes Aladin's ADF in the Zone to work on a 68000 CPU / KS 1.3 / 2MB chip config. under emulation when it doesn't work on the same config. using real hardware?!

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I've never seen that before. Looks like one I should try as I used to love Manic Miner and Jetset Willy on the Spectrum

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Old 14 April 2018, 20:09   #52
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It is working as designed. More compatible also adds 68000/010 address error checks. It has always been like this, no more compatible = don't do checks that no normal programs need.
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An intended feature rather than a bug with a happy side-effect then? Interesting!

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so yes, min. specs required for your fix are 68000 CPU, OCS, KS1.x and 2MB chipram.
Yes, definitely 2MB chip is required.

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are you able to explain exactly why the game won't work with 1MB chipram? Is it the result of buggy AMOS compiling or something else?!
Not so good usage of the chip ram..

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So that "technically" is a bug in emulation? In other words, it causes Aladin's ADF in the Zone to work on a 68000 CPU / KS 1.3 / 2MB chip config. under emulation when it doesn't work on the same config. using real hardware?!
In my opinion yes, but to Toni the last word.

(well, not a bug but a feature )

And no, my full name is not Rosario

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I've never seen that before. Looks like one I should try as I used to love Manic Miner and Jetset Willy on the Spectrum

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It's an absolutely stonking remix of the genre, and entirely worthy of having been written by the great Mr Smith himself - the author should be proud.

Except that bloody garden maze. That can go die in a fire.
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Yes, yes....ho capito Ross!
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This chart may be of help in the maze area. Room# and name are where Willy is. The 4 numbers to the right show where Willy winds up after leaving in the indicated direction. A 0 usually means there is no exit in that direction. Exception is room 1 right where 0 is valid. 0 is the default destination if for whatever reason Willy goes out of bounds in a room.

In maze area say Willy enters a room, immediately turns around, leaves. He doesn't necessarily end up in the same room he started.

(26, We're On The Road To Nowhere) shows leaving right will just keep repeating that room.

Chart showing an exit that looks unreachable (16, The Study) right could mean a switch needs to be thrown. Might build a bridge, grow a vine to climb or something else.

Another tricky one is exit right in (20, The Kitchen) where no right exit is visible. It leads to (173, The Secret Panel). Hard to imagine finding this without knowing it was there beforehand.

This explains why the HOL pictures couldn't be assembled into a true map. Only short runs can be made before a screen overlaps one already plotted.
Code:
Room#               Room Name                  Up  Down Right Left
==================================================================
   0           The Master Bedroom               0    0    0    1 
   1            The East Landing                0    0    0    2 
   2              The Landing                   4    3    1    9 
   3     The Cupboard Under The Stairs          2   11    0    0 
   4           Stairs To The Roof               5    2    6  176 
   5          Entrance To The Roof              0    4    0   34 
   6           The Upper Landing                7    0   75    4 
   7               The Attic                    0    6    8    0 
   8           Toys In The Attic                0    0   76    7 
   9            The West Landing               33   10    2   35 
  10           The Spare Bedroom                9    0    0    0 
  11                The Hall                    3   17   12   32 
  12          The Hall To The East             13    0   14   11 
  13              The Library                   0   12   16    0 
  14           The Entrance Hall                0    0   15   12 
  15            The Draw Bridge                 0   70   25   14 
  16               The Study                    0    0   77   13 
  17            The Dining Hall                11   20   18    0 
  18               The Lounge                   0    0   19   17 
  19                The Bar                     0    0    0   18 
  20              The Kitchen                  17   21  173   22 
  21               The Cellar                  20    0   23    0 
  22         The Servants Quarters              0    0   20    0 
  23           The Hidden Passage               0    0   24   21 
  24        Entrance To The Dungeons            0   36    0   23 
  25            The Gravel Drive               31   28   26   15 
  26      We're On The Road To Nowhere          0    0   26   25 
  27               The Avery                    0    0   28   37 
  28          Gardens To The South             25    0  189   27 
  29          Entrance To The Maze             59   30    0  173 
  30          Gardens At The North             29    0   31   54 
  31           The Front Gardens                0   25   78   30 
  32             The West Hall                  0    0   11   42 
  33          Into The Watchtower              34    9    0    0 
  34        All Along The Watchtower            0   33    5   72 
  35           The Unused Passage              45    0    9   46 
  36              The Dungeon                  24  165  160  168 
  37           Up The Garden Path               0    0   27   38 
  38             By The Barbie                 39    0   37    0 
  39               The Patio                   40   38    0    0 
  40             The Back Door                 69   39   41   48 
  41            The Conservatory                0    0   42   40 
  42            The Trophy Room                43   55   32   41 
  43             The Games Room                 0   42    0   44 
  44             The Old Arcade                 0    0   43    0 
  45                Room 101                    0   35    0    0 
  46          The Haunted Bedroom               0    0   35   47 
  47           The Secret Chamber               0    0   46    0 
  48            The Back Gardens               52    0   40   49 
  49              The Orchard                  53   50   48   58 
  50             The Windy Path                49    0   51   79 
  51              The Outhouse                  0    0  177   50 
  52         Beware The Barrenwort             67   48    0   53 
  53           The Secret Garden                0   49   52    0 
  54          Under The Great Oak              68    0   30   67 
  55           Deep In The Forest               0    0   58   56 
  56         The Mysterious Cottage           172    0   55   57 
  57            Home Sweet Home                 0    0   56  166 
  58            The Forests Edge                0    0   49   55 
  59              In The Maze                  60   29    0   60 
  60              In The Maze                   0    0   64   65 
  61              In The Maze                   0    0   63   62 
  62              In The Maze                  60   63   64   62 
  63              In The Maze                  64   65   66   64 
  64              In The Maze                   0    0   61   61 
  65              In The Maze                   0   59   64   60 
  66         The Centre Of The Maze            61   60   62   64 
  67 Amongst The Patchouli And Pelargonium    175   52   54  174 
  68        The Tree Surgeons Office            0   73   71    0 
  69        A Roof Without A Fiddler           71   40   72    0 
  70              In The Moat                  15    0    0    0 
  71            The Branch Line                 0   69    0   68 
  72           Quasimodo Woz Ere                0    0   34   69 
  73             The Bee's Nest                 0   74    0    0 
  74        The Root Of The Problem            48    0    0    0 
  75            The Hidden Wall                 0    0    0    6 
  76        Electrical Resistance ?             0    0    0    8 
  77        "What's A Quirkafleeg ?"            0    0    0   16 
  78           The Private Runway               0    0    0   31 
  79              The Lychgate                  0    0   50   80 
  80            The Church Yard                 0   81   79   82 
  81      John Browns Stomping Ground          80    0    0    0 
  82         Entrance To The Church             0    0   80   83 
  83            The Congregation               89    0   82   84 
  84               The Altar                   86   88   83   85 
  85            The Secret Apse                 0  120   84    0 
  86               The Pulpit                   0   84    0   87 
  87           The Confession Box               0    0   86  124 
  88               The Vestry                  84    0    0    0 
  89            The Tower Stairs               90   83    0    0 
  90             In The Belfry                 91   89    0    0 
  91            Heavens Above !                92   90    0    0 
  92           Stairway To Heaven              93   91    0    0 
  93        Knocking On Heavens Door            0    0   94   95 
  94           Let There Be Light               0    0    0   93 
  95          You're Going Down...              0   96   93  198 
  96         Beware The Devil.....              0   97    0    0 
  97         For His Number Is.....             0   98    0    0 
  98       Six Hundred And Sixty Six            0   99    0    0 
  99    The Whole Fire And Brimstone Gig       98    0  125    0 
 100         The Edge Of The Desert             0    0  119  140 
 101       Amongst The Shifting Dunes           0    0  102  119 
 102        The Foot Of The Pyramid           110    0  103  101 
 103     The Thirty Nine Thousand Steps       104  107  106  102 
 104         Top Of The World Ma !!             0  103  111  110 
 105       Entrance To The Passages           106    0    0  107 
 106       In The Valley Of The Twix          111  105  130  103 
 107         The Crossing Of Paths            103  109  105  108 
 108            The Slaves Tomb                 0    0  107    0 
 109           The Pharaohs Tomb              107    0    0    0 
 110             Pye In The Sky                 0  102  104    0 
 111         The Temple Of The Gods             0  106    0  104 
 112           Life In The Fridge             130    0  113  114 
 113            Ice Cold In Alex                0    0  118  112 
 114            The Troll Bridge                0  116  112  115 
 115             The Ice Cavern                 0    0  114  117 
 116         Trapped Under The Ice            114    0    0    0 
 117          Lair Of The Yetties               0    0  115    0 
 118         The Titanic`s Downfall             0  150  157  113 
 119          Under The Baking Sun              0    0  101  100 
 120               The Crypt                   85  121    0    0 
 121      Gateway For Departed Spirits        120    0    0  122 
 122         Across The River Styx              0    0  121  123 
 123              Hades Itself                 80    0  122    0 
 124            A Second Chance                 0    0   87  125 
 125             Meet Beelzibub                 0    0  124   99 
 126                                            0    0    0    0 
 127                                            0    0    0    0 
 128                                            0    0    0    0 
 129                                            0    0    0    0 
 130          The Departure Lounge            131  112  119  189 
 131       Twinkle Twinkle Little Bat         149  132  148  148 
 132         Planet Of The Mugwumps           131    0  133  134 
 133    Searching Every Nook And Cranny       131    0  134  132 
 134     Giant Steps Are What You Take        131  135  132  133 
 135       In The Ventilation System          134    0  136  137 
 136        Every Breath You Take...            0    0    0  135 
 137         The Primary Vent Shaft             0  138  135    0 
 138         Inside The Aliens Base           137  139  138  138 
 139       The Master Control Centre          138    0  146    0 
 140     Where The Streets Have No Name         0    0  100  141 
 141 When I Were A Lad This were All Houses     0    0  140  142 
 142          Blowing In The Wind               0    0  141  144 
 143          Ahh ! Here She Is !               0    0  144    0 
 144           Where`s My Mummy                 0  145  142  143 
 145            Home Sweet Home               144    0    0    0 
 146        All Aboard The Spacelark            0    0  147  139 
 147      Trouble With The Warp Drive           0    0  130  146 
 148       The Constellation of Yang          148  149  131  131 
 149   Set The Sub-Space Tacheon Lattice      148  131  149  149 
 150            The Frozen Stern                0  152  151    0 
 151            The Haunted Deck                0    0  155  150 
 152             On The Botttom               150    0  153    0 
 153          The Icebergs Legacy               0    0  154  152 
 154    In Amongst The Superstructure !         0    0  159  153 
 155            The Escape point              156    0  158  151 
 156               Holy Smoke                   0    0  130  157 
 157             The North Pole                 0    0  156  118 
 158                The Bow                     0    0    0  155 
 159    The Engine Master`s Watery Haunt        0    0    0  154 
 160          The Torture Chamber               0  162  161   36 
 161      The Pit Of Man Eating Snails          0  163    0  160 
 162                The Rack                  160    0  163    0 
 163        The Exocutioners Chamber          161    0  164  162 
 164             The Guillotine                 0    0    0  163 
 165           The Dungeon Cells               36  166    0  169 
 166               The Flume                  170    0   57    0 
 167           Torture Store Room               0    0  168    0 
 168            The Gaolers Room                0    0   36  167 
 169        The Secret Escape Route            28    0  165    0 
 170           The Chimney Stack                0  166  171    0 
 171            The Cottage Roof                0    0  172  170 
 172            On The Cot-Edge                 0   56    0  171 
 173  The Secret Panel         The Tunnel       0    0   29   20 
 174         The Hidden Wall Switch             0    0   67    0 
 175           Head In The Clouds               0   67    0    0 
 176              The Nursery                   0    0    4    0 
 177          Entrance To The Mine              0  178    0   51 
 178           The Primary Shaft              177  179    0    0 
 179       Section 2 - Primary Shaft          178  180    0    0 
 180            Level Junction 1              179  183  182  181 
 181         This Seams Dangerous !             0    0  180    0 
 182             The Drill Site                 0    0    0  180 
 183            Level Junction 2              180  187  185  184 
 184              The New Seam                  0    0  183    0 
 185          The Collapsed Tunnel              0    0  186  183 
 186            The Hidden Seam                 0    0    0  185 
 187          The Crystal Caverns             183  188    0    0 
 188 The Land That Time Didn't Bother With    187    0    0    0 
 189             To The Airport                 0    0  130   28 
 190                                            0    0    0    0 
 191                                            0    0    0    0 
 192                                            0    0    0    0 
 193                                            0    0    0    0 
 194                                            0    0    0    0 
 195                                            0    0    0    0 
 196                                            0    0    0    0 
 197                                            0    0    0    0 
 198              The Credits                   0    0   51    0 
 199                                            0    0    0    0

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