Apidya WHDLoad - Page 2

Graham Humphrey · 03 July 2007, 19:06

Okay thanks guys, looks like another problem that I'll have to live with...

Think we need a thread detailing what games these affect and how seriously (i.e. Apidya's not that bad, it's a few sections here and there, but Zool 2 as soon as you move it absolutely crawls).

Retro-Nerd · 03 July 2007, 19:07

Xenon is slow as hell, maybe Jurassic Park too.

pbareges · 03 July 2007, 19:08

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Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

Xenon is slow as hell, maybe Jurassic Park too.

for xenon it has nothing to do with 040...on regular ec020 it'S the same here!

Retro-Nerd · 03 July 2007, 19:10

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Originally Posted by pbareges

for xenon it has nothing to do with 040...on regular ec020 it'S the same here!

Yep, thats true. Mentioned only some slow WHDLoad games in general.

laser · 03 July 2007, 21:28

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Originally Posted by Graham Humphrey

Okay thanks guys, looks like another problem that I'll have to live with...

Think we need a thread detailing what games these affect and how seriously (i.e. Apidya's not that bad, it's a few sections here and there, but Zool 2 as soon as you move it absolutely crawls).

which zool 2 version is slow there? aga ecs or cd32 ?

Here the faster and better is the cd32 version then the ecs and the slower is the aga version

dlfrsilver · 03 July 2007, 21:35

Please stop him loool, nah stop trolling laser, enough is enough !!!

laser · 03 July 2007, 21:54

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Originally Posted by dlfrsilver

Please stop him loool, nah stop trolling laser, enough is enough !!!

post something productive instead stupid claims

AMIGAZ · 03 July 2007, 22:16

We've had this discussion before and it involves some games and '040 + '060 cpu's...Zool 2 is a prime example

I've also experienced it in Wings when doing strafing missions

It does not happen on my non '040/'060 equipped Amiga's...and yes I have a bunch of Amiga's so I'm not telling tales and have been an Amiga user since 1989 but had a long break until early 2000

The nocache tooltype doesn't help either, if the slaves aren't rewritten with '040/'060 CPU's in mind we'll have to live with that some games will have issues with '040+ CPU's

Graham Humphrey · 03 July 2007, 22:57

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Originally Posted by laser

post something productive instead stupid claims

/me dies of irony

Graham Humphrey · 03 July 2007, 22:58

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Originally Posted by laser

which zool 2 version is slow there? aga ecs or cd32 ?

Here the faster and better is the cd32 version then the ecs and the slower is the aga version

As I've said before.... AGA. On WHDLoad. On a 68040. Notice the bold bit. That's the problem. And it's the only problem. On 030 downwards these games are okay, as several members (including me) will verify.

laser · 04 July 2007, 06:10

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Originally Posted by Graham Humphrey

As I've said before.... AGA. On WHDLoad. On a 68040. Notice the bold bit. That's the problem. And it's the only problem. On 030 downwards these games are okay, as several members (including me) will verify.

maybe zool 2 aga is slow due to a whdload'issue...Im sure it's not the 040
I had a A1200+apollo 1240/40mhz and I know very well that cpu
68040'issues on games generally are gfx bugs or rare sound glitches
also you can try zool 2 aga from floppy you will see that it will run smooth

anyways

If you like the game zool 2 and you wanna play it on a real amiga I recommend you to play the CD32 version using a real cd and using IDEFIX' cd32 emulator

It's the best version.....it contain beautiful cdda tracks ...it contains extra 3d anims and even the cd32 version contain more levels than the AGA and ECS version

bye

Graham Humphrey · 04 July 2007, 10:17

Thanks for the info about the CD32 version.

Maybe you should read this thread I started regarding Zool 2 on WHDLoad a couple of months back, which should prove that it is an 040 problem.

laser · 04 July 2007, 13:58

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Originally Posted by Graham Humphrey

Thanks for the info about the CD32 version.

Maybe you should read this thread I started regarding Zool 2 on WHDLoad a couple of months back, which should prove that it is an 040 problem.

ok just readed that thread...some users blame whdload team and blame the 040&060
but....I personally don't share that.....the damned heretic is:

few chip memory available on amiga motherboards

Zool 2 eats lot of chip memory....about 1.9mb.....and if you run it from workbench using whdload the game will ran out of chip memory and will do low framerates....that's all

The game was designed originally to run from floppy...with 2mb chip free

please make a test....run the game from floppy....on your 1200 using your turboboard....check if the game run smooth.....

killergorilla · 04 July 2007, 14:09

Well how comes Zool 2 runs perfectly fine on my 030 with 2MB of chip?

Retro-Nerd · 04 July 2007, 14:13

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Originally Posted by killergorilla

Well how comes Zool 2 runs perfectly fine on my 030 with 2MB of chip?

Magic?

Yep, no probs on a 030. That's for sure.

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REQUIREMENTS:
- Slave requires WHDLoad V13+ and RawDIC
- ECS game requires 1.0Mb chip mem (+1.9Mb other memory for preload option)
- AGA game requires 1.6Mb chip mem (+1.9Mb other memory for preload option)

killergorilla · 04 July 2007, 14:21

I think the words "brickwall" and "talking" spring to mind.

BippyM · 04 July 2007, 14:32

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Originally Posted by laser

ok just readed that thread...some users blame whdload team and blame the 040&060
but....I personally don't share that.....the damned heretic is:

few chip memory available on amiga motherboards

Zool 2 eats lot of chip memory....about 1.9mb.....and if you run it from workbench using whdload the game will ran out of chip memory and will do low framerates....that's all

The game was designed originally to run from floppy...with 2mb chip free

please make a test....run the game from floppy....on your 1200 using your turboboard....check if the game run smooth.....

You really do not know what you are talking about do you!

If there is not enough ram the game would cease to work, not run slowly.. Learn your shit please

laser · 04 July 2007, 14:35

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Originally Posted by killergorilla

Well how comes Zool 2 runs perfectly fine on my 030 with 2MB of chip?

maybe your workbench eats less chip memory than Graham 'workbench
maybe you use Fblit and Graham don't use it.....don't know

maybe Graham' computer have been possessed by Satan

BippyM · 04 July 2007, 14:36

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Originally Posted by laser

maybe your workbench eats less chip memory than Graham 'workbench
maybe you use Fblit and Graham don't use it.....don't know

maybe Graham' computer have been possessed by Satan

Maybe you are wrong and you simply haven't a clue what you are talking about.. maybe just maybe

Retro-Nerd · 04 July 2007, 14:40

Mmh, time for Codetapper to show up here. I like his "sledgehammer" posts.

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03 July 2007, 19:06	#21
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,167	Okay thanks guys, looks like another problem that I'll have to live with... Think we need a thread detailing what games these affect and how seriously (i.e. Apidya's not that bad, it's a few sections here and there, but Zool 2 as soon as you move it absolutely crawls).

03 July 2007, 19:07	#22
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,438	Xenon is slow as hell, maybe Jurassic Park too.

03 July 2007, 21:35	#26
dlfrsilver CaptainM68K-SPS France Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Melun nearby Paris/France Age: 46 Posts: 10,412	Please stop him loool, nah stop trolling laser, enough is enough !!!

03 July 2007, 22:16	#28
AMIGAZ Amiga-Mad Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sweden Age: 46 Posts: 1,286	We've had this discussion before and it involves some games and '040 + '060 cpu's...Zool 2 is a prime example I've also experienced it in Wings when doing strafing missions It does not happen on my non '040/'060 equipped Amiga's...and yes I have a bunch of Amiga's so I'm not telling tales and have been an Amiga user since 1989 but had a long break until early 2000 The nocache tooltype doesn't help either, if the slaves aren't rewritten with '040/'060 CPU's in mind we'll have to live with that some games will have issues with '040+ CPU's

04 July 2007, 10:17	#32
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,167	Thanks for the info about the CD32 version. Maybe you should read this thread I started regarding Zool 2 on WHDLoad a couple of months back, which should prove that it is an 040 problem.

04 July 2007, 14:09	#34
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	Well how comes Zool 2 runs perfectly fine on my 030 with 2MB of chip?

04 July 2007, 14:21	#36
killergorilla Lesser Talent Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: UK Age: 42 Posts: 7,957	I think the words "brickwall" and "talking" spring to mind.

04 July 2007, 14:40	#40
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,438	Mmh, time for Codetapper to show up here. I like his "sledgehammer" posts.

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