Shadow of the Third Moon and Starfighter - Page 2

Adderly · 21 February 2006, 14:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bamiga2002

Starfighter update - http://www.space.net.au/~geosync/tainment/sfp10991.lha
Use "save as..."

I cannot get the file from there. It will download, but the file is a piece of html code and not the update??? Can you please upload it to the Zone? Txs!

Captain_ Kal · 22 February 2006, 13:32

I was contacted today by the author of Starfighter, and he mentioned me that he still sells the game. So I removed it from the Zone. I asked him for a link, so everyone who wants to play the game, can buy it legally.

Sorry about the inconvinience, guys.

Psychopsam · 22 February 2006, 13:37

Erm... hate to be a pain, but I wrote Starfighter and I can't allow this game to be copied in this way. Please remove the scan as soon as possible.

But! I have the gold master, plus updates so if you want we can arrange a more agreeable method of distributing the game legally.

EDIT: Thanks Captain Kal - very honourable of you. I am very happy you did this so quickly. I know it's an old game, and I hope people like it for what it is, from the time and all that. I'll set something up for people to get the game if that's okay.

BippyM · 22 February 2006, 14:58

okay game removed from the zone (by Kal)

Our apologies for it being uploaded.

kriz · 22 February 2006, 15:16

Very cool Psychospam (what a nick btw.) Who owns the right to the game now ? Info info info please

Captain_ Kal · 22 February 2006, 16:42

For indipendent developers a paypal account is a very relliable way to get payment IMHO. In fact when I preordered X2 and X3, from Egosoft, I paid with PayPal.

By the way. Is it possible to run Starfighter in a higher resolution than the standard Amiga? (I mean 1024x768 or even 1280x1024 native , like using RTG Cards, not scalers)

Psychopsam · 22 February 2006, 23:29

@kriz - it's Psycho Psam not spam (silent P's)... heh heh
Starfighter is owned by me since the copyright contract ended 12 months from the games release. I always wanted to upgrade the game to OpenGL (or the Amiga equiv) but the Amiga market kept dropping off.
@Capt. Kal - it was only ever written using the ECS screen rez - but does work on AGA as a backward compatible mode - and I guess the RTG modes work in emulation mode too.

kriz · 23 February 2006, 10:36

Ohh hehe my bad

But do you have any plans to release for the community or sell it again ?

Captain_ Kal · 23 February 2006, 11:31

I tried Starfighters in WinUAE, and it works fine.

I scale the resolutions up to 1280x1024, (LCD native resolution), so I think it looks better than a normal Amiga. (Yes, I know sacrilege

).

There seems to be an interest in your game. Speaking of myself, I would buy an updated version combatible with UAE, or even a conversion to PC. But I am a space combat/trading simulation fanatic

, so my opinion is somewhat biased

.

Psychopsam · 28 February 2006, 02:58

Do people here want the original game again for a small fee or are you asking if I will re do the game engine and release it as Starfighter v2.0?

Captain_ Kal · 28 February 2006, 10:05

Both!

Psychopsam · 28 February 2006, 16:38

Ooo-kay then. So you said you wanted a UAE compatible version? I ran it on WinUAE and it works pretty well. What problems are you having? The gold master I have is version 1.j - what version did you buy?

Regarding the PC version. This will obviously take some time. The initial version will be a port of the missions, voices, music and storyline, but with a shader engine. The new version (should people show interest) will be something completely new and fresh - new missions, new ships, new combat styles - more trading - the Rogue Trader in the original never got much of chance to shop around.

Once I get some feedback on what's required for the UAE compat. version I'll do the required changes - if any... I think it's just a few Setpatch issues really... and then set up the account for purchases.

nujack · 28 February 2006, 19:40

I want to see an updated version with openGL under Warp3D. I only know the demo-version and want to see the full version with 3D-support on a real AMIGA. That would be fine.

@Psychopsam: Do you have started the the openGL-development before? Is it possible for you to implement warp3d-support or is it too much work?

Captain_ Kal · 01 March 2006, 14:04

I believe OpenGL development is a very good idea, since it means that, it could be possible to convert this game, to different platforms (PC, Linux, Mac, Amiga, etc), and there is a market for indie space combat/trading simulations. (FYI look at these sites

http://starfighter.home.att.net/news...wsletter.htm#0

http://www.3000ad.com/home.shtml

http://www.hard-light.net/ )

@Psycopsam: My version is 1.k from Geosync Media. It starts with WinUAE ( I tested it), but I haven't played it yet.

kriz · 01 March 2006, 15:26

i just want a legal download from you , the original game please

Psychopsam · 01 March 2006, 16:10

Porting the game to Warp3d / Open GL support on the miggy isn't that trivial. It would take a long time - most of the assets could be used, however the 3d meshes would need to be remodelled. A lot of the game code could be ported, but graphic device based interface would need to be rewritten.

However it could be re-written in Torque, which wouldn't support the Amiga but would support the others (PC / Mac / Linux). What do you think?

In the meantime, I'll start testing the original game and provide a means for people to grab it as soon as possible.

Captain_ Kal · 01 March 2006, 20:26

The torque engine sounds fine, if you can create a space combat engine out of it. It's very cheap, (100$) and you can legally distribute your games or even get GarageGames to offer a download service. Some thoughts on the Torque engine, and game design in general, can be found here:

http://www.rampantgames.com/blog/

This site also offers another indie space sim called Void War

http://www.rampantgames.com/

And finaly the Torque engine site:

http://www.garagegames.com/

Psychopsam · 10 March 2006, 11:24

thanks for the Torque links. I've been using Torque for about 1 year now so I'm adept with it - well maybe not adept... but I have already thrashed out some code to run a space sim. StarFighter2 will be a long way off, but maybe I'll start a blog and you guys can beta test it as it gets developed.

I'll be looking at setting up a site for the original this weekend and will keep you posted. I have no secure way to keep the entire image online so I will be posting cd's to people instead if that's okay?

Psychopsam · 13 March 2006, 15:38

Alrighty then. Ran some tests with Starfighter on WinUAE (latest) and it works on Workbench 1.3, 3.1 ROM, AGA chipset, 4 meg CHIP, 2 Meg Fast. 68040 seems to work the best.

Next I'll try it on another PC, then set up the web page.

nujack · 13 March 2006, 17:43

Could someone upload the SF-Patch to the Zone please?
I couldn`t find the Patch in the WWW and the game will not start on my A4000. ;O(
Thanks.

Bye

nujack

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22 February 2006, 13:32	#22
Captain_ Kal Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Athens, Greece Age: 54 Posts: 157	I was contacted today by the author of Starfighter, and he mentioned me that he still sells the game. So I removed it from the Zone. I asked him for a link, so everyone who wants to play the game, can buy it legally. Sorry about the inconvinience, guys.

22 February 2006, 13:37	#23
Psychopsam Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perth Age: 54 Posts: 15	Erm... hate to be a pain, but I wrote Starfighter and I can't allow this game to be copied in this way. Please remove the scan as soon as possible. But! I have the gold master, plus updates so if you want we can arrange a more agreeable method of distributing the game legally. EDIT: Thanks Captain Kal - very honourable of you. I am very happy you did this so quickly. I know it's an old game, and I hope people like it for what it is, from the time and all that. I'll set something up for people to get the game if that's okay.

22 February 2006, 14:58	#24
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	okay game removed from the zone (by Kal) Our apologies for it being uploaded.

22 February 2006, 15:16	#25
kriz Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: No(R)Way Age: 41 Posts: 3,188	Very cool Psychospam (what a nick btw.) Who owns the right to the game now ? Info info info please

22 February 2006, 16:42	#26
Captain_ Kal Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Athens, Greece Age: 54 Posts: 157	For indipendent developers a paypal account is a very relliable way to get payment IMHO. In fact when I preordered X2 and X3, from Egosoft, I paid with PayPal. By the way. Is it possible to run Starfighter in a higher resolution than the standard Amiga? (I mean 1024x768 or even 1280x1024 native , like using RTG Cards, not scalers)

22 February 2006, 23:29	#27
Psychopsam Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perth Age: 54 Posts: 15	@kriz - it's Psycho Psam not spam (silent P's)... heh heh Starfighter is owned by me since the copyright contract ended 12 months from the games release. I always wanted to upgrade the game to OpenGL (or the Amiga equiv) but the Amiga market kept dropping off. @Capt. Kal - it was only ever written using the ECS screen rez - but does work on AGA as a backward compatible mode - and I guess the RTG modes work in emulation mode too.

23 February 2006, 10:36	#28
kriz Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: No(R)Way Age: 41 Posts: 3,188	Ohh hehe my bad But do you have any plans to release for the community or sell it again ?

23 February 2006, 11:31	#29
Captain_ Kal Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Athens, Greece Age: 54 Posts: 157	I tried Starfighters in WinUAE, and it works fine. I scale the resolutions up to 1280x1024, (LCD native resolution), so I think it looks better than a normal Amiga. (Yes, I know sacrilege ). There seems to be an interest in your game. Speaking of myself, I would buy an updated version combatible with UAE, or even a conversion to PC. But I am a space combat/trading simulation fanatic , so my opinion is somewhat biased .

28 February 2006, 02:58	#30
Psychopsam Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perth Age: 54 Posts: 15	Do people here want the original game again for a small fee or are you asking if I will re do the game engine and release it as Starfighter v2.0?

28 February 2006, 10:05	#31
Captain_ Kal Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Athens, Greece Age: 54 Posts: 157	Both!

28 February 2006, 16:38	#32
Psychopsam Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perth Age: 54 Posts: 15	Ooo-kay then. So you said you wanted a UAE compatible version? I ran it on WinUAE and it works pretty well. What problems are you having? The gold master I have is version 1.j - what version did you buy? Regarding the PC version. This will obviously take some time. The initial version will be a port of the missions, voices, music and storyline, but with a shader engine. The new version (should people show interest) will be something completely new and fresh - new missions, new ships, new combat styles - more trading - the Rogue Trader in the original never got much of chance to shop around. Once I get some feedback on what's required for the UAE compat. version I'll do the required changes - if any... I think it's just a few Setpatch issues really... and then set up the account for purchases.

28 February 2006, 19:40	#33
nujack Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Leipzig/Germany Age: 49 Posts: 458	I want to see an updated version with openGL under Warp3D. I only know the demo-version and want to see the full version with 3D-support on a real AMIGA. That would be fine. @Psychopsam: Do you have started the the openGL-development before? Is it possible for you to implement warp3d-support or is it too much work?

01 March 2006, 14:04	#34
Captain_ Kal Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Athens, Greece Age: 54 Posts: 157	I believe OpenGL development is a very good idea, since it means that, it could be possible to convert this game, to different platforms (PC, Linux, Mac, Amiga, etc), and there is a market for indie space combat/trading simulations. (FYI look at these sites http://starfighter.home.att.net/news...wsletter.htm#0 http://www.3000ad.com/home.shtml http://www.hard-light.net/ ) @Psycopsam: My version is 1.k from Geosync Media. It starts with WinUAE ( I tested it), but I haven't played it yet.

01 March 2006, 15:26	#35
kriz Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: No(R)Way Age: 41 Posts: 3,188	i just want a legal download from you , the original game please

01 March 2006, 16:10	#36
Psychopsam Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perth Age: 54 Posts: 15	Porting the game to Warp3d / Open GL support on the miggy isn't that trivial. It would take a long time - most of the assets could be used, however the 3d meshes would need to be remodelled. A lot of the game code could be ported, but graphic device based interface would need to be rewritten. However it could be re-written in Torque, which wouldn't support the Amiga but would support the others (PC / Mac / Linux). What do you think? In the meantime, I'll start testing the original game and provide a means for people to grab it as soon as possible.

01 March 2006, 20:26	#37
Captain_ Kal Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Athens, Greece Age: 54 Posts: 157	The torque engine sounds fine, if you can create a space combat engine out of it. It's very cheap, (100$) and you can legally distribute your games or even get GarageGames to offer a download service. Some thoughts on the Torque engine, and game design in general, can be found here: http://www.rampantgames.com/blog/ This site also offers another indie space sim called Void War http://www.rampantgames.com/ And finaly the Torque engine site: http://www.garagegames.com/

10 March 2006, 11:24	#38
Psychopsam Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perth Age: 54 Posts: 15	thanks for the Torque links. I've been using Torque for about 1 year now so I'm adept with it - well maybe not adept... but I have already thrashed out some code to run a space sim. StarFighter2 will be a long way off, but maybe I'll start a blog and you guys can beta test it as it gets developed. I'll be looking at setting up a site for the original this weekend and will keep you posted. I have no secure way to keep the entire image online so I will be posting cd's to people instead if that's okay?

13 March 2006, 15:38	#39
Psychopsam Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Perth Age: 54 Posts: 15	Alrighty then. Ran some tests with Starfighter on WinUAE (latest) and it works on Workbench 1.3, 3.1 ROM, AGA chipset, 4 meg CHIP, 2 Meg Fast. 68040 seems to work the best. Next I'll try it on another PC, then set up the web page.

13 March 2006, 17:43	#40
nujack Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Leipzig/Germany Age: 49 Posts: 458	Could someone upload the SF-Patch to the Zone please? I couldn`t find the Patch in the WWW and the game will not start on my A4000. ;O( Thanks. Bye nujack

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