14 May 2016, 23:09 | #1 |
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How to fix Netsurf 3.5 corrupted images?
Anyone know why some images (supposedly transparent PNGs) show very corrupted graphics on NetSurf Reaction window, and how to fix it on OS 3.9?
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15 May 2016, 00:44 | #2 |
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Wich version you are using? Aminet or test release? Are you using FBlit?
For a general interest, wich CPU? How reliable it works? Do you get slowdown effect after few surfed pages? You could also ask from developer, email from here http://www.unsatisfactorysoftware.co...dex.php?pg=who Or write to amiga.org thread http://www.amiga.org/forums/showthre...=70260&page=17 Chris needs any kind of feed back to make it better. He has got so few bug repoerts/feedbacks that he currently wonders is there any point to trying to solve remaining problems. He very nice and friendly guy, not like coders usually are. He is not very experienced 68k coder, so he would need to help from somebody with debugging experience. |
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Sorry for the late answer, utri007.
I was using the Aminet release, on WinUAE (040+FPU) with AmigaOS 3.9. Strange that you touched about the slowdown subject, I only noticed a minor slowdown with NetSurf, but thats very common with browsers even on some Windows machines. That's too bad that chris is losing interest on it, him should have reasons for that. Please say to him I was very impressed by seeing the pages nicely renderized and the preferences dialogs now ready. My only issues are with transparent images like GIFs and PNGs. But unfortunately I cant help chris much because I dont code in AmigaOS. EDIT: I was wrong. The real issues are with datatype image scaling and the Reaction gadgets which sometimes doesnt update correctly. Last edited by Leandro Jardim; 23 May 2016 at 06:05. |
23 May 2016, 14:22 | #4 |
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OK, this version is targeted to real amigas. Arthur's fork might work better with winuae.
Slowdown occurs only with real amiga, two first pages loads fast, after that speed decreases a lot. Current test version uses guigfx.library and render.library, so no datatypes in future. Sadly this version doesn't work winuae at all. But it is nearly as fast then iBrowse. Rendering site like this takes about 20 seconds, or even less. About 30%-50% faster rendering compared to using datatypes. AGA has some color problems displaying images currently. Graphics card users need to set friend_bitmap:1 manually to choises file. |
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Thanks for the feedback. Wow, the Amiga really needs a modern browser, even the Atari ST has NetSurf, if I am not worng.
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1) Faster memory 2) Much larger CPU caches 3) Much faster BFFFO instruction for TLSFMem than 68060 (9 cycles on 68060, rumors are 1 or 2 cycles on Apollo core) Quote:
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Any info on ST version? I think Amiga version is more advanced? and would ST version work on EmuTOS? also there was Netsurf(wrong think it was Netscape and iCab)for classic Mac68k but I don't think it was very good.
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This is the link for the last version: http://www.netsurf-browser.org/downloads/atari/ This is the link for the Atari ST development group: http://www.atari-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=20443 Greetings. |
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Here is last build without fpu requirement http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cdyoung...rf_os3_old.lha Quote:
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It looks like the 68k FPU has moved up in priority as it is planned for the next Apollo core release. http://www.apollo-core.com/knowledge...=1108&z=9X-Xwb It looks like they decided to go with the 80 bit FPU which should help compatibility and reduce the time needed to get it working. It also looks like the SIMD is up to 128 bits now and using the x86 SIMD ISA instead of PPC Altivec with CISC register/memory enhancements. I guess there is a lot more SSE code out there than Altivec especially with the PPC being dead so long. A-EON can't even bring to market a PPC with a standard FPU let alone a fancy feature like SIMD that 99% of general purpose home and on the go computers people use today. So we stop using standard AmigaOS components because they are too slow, there are bugs and no support? We stop using full featured processors because they are too expensive? Just remember, only Amiga makes it impossible. Come on now, everybody sing along with the sadistic Amiga song . Last edited by matthey; 24 May 2016 at 19:32. |
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IMO, an emulated market will always deteriorate and eventually die. Without affordable mass produced hardware, the Amiga is retro nostalgia only. I liked the interview with Jim Collas on how to bring the Amiga back. He stuttered and ummed for a long time when asked about the current Amiga business strategy but eventually mentioned mass produced affordable hardware and some new innovative technology (FPGA was not mentioned for some reason). I don't expect any 68k AmigaOS development until A-EON is done throwing good money after bad (Tabor) in hopefully their last attempt at affordable mass produced low end PPC hardware. I don't believe they want the competition from FPGA hardware. Instead of helping the Amiga 68k, it will be interesting to see if it is true that their business partner, Hyperion, is trying to buy out from under and extort the fledgling 68k market with P96. Grab the popcorn but don't hold your breath for any new 68k AmigaOS support or a good 68k NetSurf any time soon. |
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matthey, you again with your compiler metadiscussion mantra
sure, someone with appropriate background needs to talk to gcc guys about some issues. but i just thrown on my a4k with 4.6.4 compiled aros and its not that bad, considering its actually still bevor any optimsation |
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25 May 2016, 07:19 | #17 |
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Matthey: Could you consider again if you could do some debugging to help Chris? Chris has high trust to your skills and he is not so familiar with 68k. You could contact him directly http://www.unsatisfactorysoftware.co...dex.php?pg=who
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25 May 2016, 22:29 | #19 |
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I respect you answer, it just that I think that Netsurf is one of the most important 68k projects today and especially Chris' version. It most "standard" version, wich still uses mostly standard system libraries and it is "supported/accepted" By original dev team. What makes it most important is Vampire accelerators.
Have you tested current versions? Aminet version uses datatypes and test build guigfx/render library. Latter one has color problems with AGA and of course both of them has lots of minor and major problems. BUT they are both surpriginly fast. And of course there are lots of importan projects going on, but this one Project wich interest all, not just developers. More users means more developers. |
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I agree. But there are likely some people who do not want more 68k users and are willing to sabotage the Amiga developers and users who do. As I have said before, it is not obvious who the bad players are as we have seen lately. I don't expect any change in the situation until the good money is finished being thrown after the bad and that could take years, if ever. The powers that be want more Amiga division and road blocks so we need to move away from the dependence on them but this also will take time. |
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