English Amiga Board Amiga Lore


Go Back   English Amiga Board > Other Projects > project.CARE

 
 
Thread Tools
Old 18 January 2013, 09:59   #1
AnimaInCorpore
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Willich/Germany
Posts: 143
The X68000 games porting experiment

Hello guys,

I am about to port some X68000 games to the Atari Falcon030. Is there any interest in having that ports on the Amiga as well?

The progress so far:

[ Show youtube player ] fully playable on an Atari Falcon030 (16 MHz, 14 MB RAM) but lacks sound though.

[ Show youtube player ] in an early "emulation" stage.

Atomic Runner Chelnov in a "label renaming" process.

Since I don't have an Amiga I would like to know if someone is interested to help in respect of doing the port for the Amiga 1200?

Cheers
Sascha
AnimaInCorpore is offline  
AdSense AdSense  
Old 18 January 2013, 12:44   #2
Akira
Registered User

Akira's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: New York
Posts: 17,676
YES!
Galaga 88 is fantastic and Pac-Mania's X68000 port is pixel-perfect.

But if we need something like an 060, then it becomes a bit out of the league of most users.

Sound would be a problem, though. How are you handling it in the Falcon? Because the X68Ks have, besides the DAC, an FM synthesizer.
Akira is offline  
Old 18 January 2013, 14:09   #3
AnimaInCorpore
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Willich/Germany
Posts: 143
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akira View Post
YES!
Galaga 88 is fantastic and Pac-Mania's X68000 port is pixel-perfect.

But if we need something like an 060, then it becomes a bit out of the league of most users.

Sound would be a problem, though. How are you handling it in the Falcon? Because the X68Ks have, besides the DAC, an FM synthesizer.
Well, the port itself is more an optimized graphic emulation layer added to the original game which runs natively on the Falcon030. So Galaga 88 is not completely optimized for the Falcon030.

Music and sound is not emulated yet but the DSP subsystem could do this later on. In fact, the audio logic is "outsourced" to a memory resident program which is started right before the game. This is quite a common practice on the X68000.

Cheers
Sascha
AnimaInCorpore is offline  
Old 18 January 2013, 14:37   #4
Retro1234
5150

Retro1234's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Sycophantazia
Posts: 3,701
Sorry I can't help but very interested in your project WinUae is an excellent Amiga emulator witch might help with development
Retro1234 is offline  
Old 18 January 2013, 16:52   #5
Akira
Registered User

Akira's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: New York
Posts: 17,676
Quote:
Originally Posted by AnimaInCorpore View Post
Music and sound is not emulated yet but the DSP subsystem could do this later on. In fact, the audio logic is "outsourced" to a memory resident program which is started right before the game. This is quite a common practice on the X68000.
You are right, I remember this from when I used to dabble with X68K emulation.
I think on the Amiga it will be pretty impossible to keep music AS IS unless you have a beefier system on which you can run an FM emulator system, or even send the data through MIDI if you have a MIDI innterface, to an external module (the X68K could do this if I remember correctly)
Akira is offline  
Old 18 January 2013, 17:30   #6
AnimaInCorpore
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Willich/Germany
Posts: 143
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akira View Post
I think on the Amiga it will be pretty impossible to keep music AS IS unless you have a beefier system on which you can run an FM emulator system, or even send the data through MIDI if you have a MIDI innterface, to an external module (the X68K could do this if I remember correctly)
I think this is one of the advantages of having a separate program for audio: you can choose which sound system you want to use and that's most probably the reason for the external program approach.

IMHO this audio interface within the game makes it relatively easy to create an Atari/Amiga proprietary audio solution for the port as the replay is commonly called by a "trap". So the commands are basically only: start_music(), stop_music(), play_sample(), wait_for_music()...

Cheers
Sascha
AnimaInCorpore is offline  
Old 18 January 2013, 17:35   #7
Akira
Registered User

Akira's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: New York
Posts: 17,676
But that's all fine and cool for sample-based audio in the game, whatever the X68 does on the DAC, but all calls to the YM2151 synth chip will go exactly where on a system like the Amiga with no such thing?
Re-composing those to MOD will be, well, quite a challenge for whoever wants to do the conversion.

In any case, I am really impressed of the results you obtained with the Falcon. I wonder how Galaga '88 would look on an 030 Amiga. Keep up the awesome work.
Akira is offline  
Old 19 January 2013, 01:38   #8
Jack Burton
It's all in the reflexes!
Jack Burton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Wingkong warehouses
Posts: 155
You did an amazing job Sascha, especially considering your port runs on an unaccelerated Falcon030 !
For what I understand you used the Falcon030 65K color mode, an advantage the Falcon030 has over the A1200. Hopefully the 256 colors AGA modes will not be a severe limitation for an Amiga port of Galaga88 or Pacmania if you intend to bring them to the Ami. Anyway it would be great to have such ports for the Amiga !

As for the audio, it's time for an YM2151 clockport card ( TheRogue) !
Jack Burton is offline  
Old 19 January 2013, 02:19   #9
Akira
Registered User

Akira's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: New York
Posts: 17,676
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Burton View Post
As for the audio, it's time for an YM2151 clockport card ( TheRogue) !
I would pap my pants if such a thing existed
Akira is offline  
Old 19 January 2013, 10:44   #10
Jack Burton
It's all in the reflexes!
Jack Burton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Wingkong warehouses
Posts: 155
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akira View Post
I would pap my pants if such a thing existed
Yeah, me too !
Jack Burton is offline  
Old 28 January 2013, 19:10   #11
Retro1234
5150

Retro1234's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Sycophantazia
Posts: 3,701
How does an Amiga AGA 030 do against Atari Falcon030 ?
Retro1234 is offline  
Old 18 April 2014, 02:13   #12
Retro1234
5150

Retro1234's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Sycophantazia
Posts: 3,701
NEO GEO emulation on the Atari Falcon 030
http://www.atari-forum.com/viewtopic...t=25780&start=
[ Show youtube player ]
Retro1234 is offline  
Old 18 April 2014, 04:35   #13
dlfrsilver
CaptainM68K-SPS France
dlfrsilver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Melun nearby Paris/France
Age: 40
Posts: 7,063
Send a message via MSN to dlfrsilver
just awesome, maybe once sascha release the source code ? hehe
dlfrsilver is offline  
Old 18 April 2014, 07:52   #14
Frog
Junior Member

Frog's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: France
Posts: 1,257
they look's like perfect port ! As weel as the Neo Geo emulation which own some pretty nice games (Blue's Jurney, Alpha Mission II, Puzzle Bobble, Last Resort, Last Hope, Magical Drop...)
Frog is offline  
Old 18 April 2014, 17:54   #15
Amicol
Registered User

 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: Hartlepool / England
Posts: 338
YES!! PLEASE!
X68000 Akumajo Dracula is Awsome
Amicol is offline  
Old 18 April 2014, 18:26   #16
gulliver
BoingBagged

 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: The South of nowhere
Age: 39
Posts: 1,487
Really nice hack!

The X68000 had some great games. I would be really cool to have this in our miggies.
gulliver is offline  
Old 11 September 2014, 07:28   #17
saimon69
Bedroom musician

 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: los angeles,ca
Posts: 652
let me bump on this: how is it going?
saimon69 is offline  
Old 11 September 2014, 09:08   #18
AnimaInCorpore
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Willich/Germany
Posts: 143
Quote:
Originally Posted by saimon69 View Post
let me bump on this: how is it going?
Sadly there was no reply on the original help request. What I can offer is the assembler source of Galaga 88 and PacMania.

Cheers
Sascha
AnimaInCorpore is offline  
Old 11 September 2014, 20:17   #19
Wepl
Moderator
Wepl's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Germany
Posts: 632
You did adapt the games by reassembling the code (in opposite to only modify the original code slightly)?

I would be interesting to know how difficult the gfx emulation/adaption is. If I remember right the x68k has good hardware sprites.
Wepl is offline  
Old 11 September 2014, 20:52   #20
AnimaInCorpore
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Willich/Germany
Posts: 143
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wepl View Post
You did adapt the games by reassembling the code (in opposite to only modify the original code slightly)?

I would be interesting to know how difficult the gfx emulation/adaption is. If I remember right the x68k has good hardware sprites.
Unfortunately I cannot link to the original discussion thread on the Atari-Forum where you can get more details about how the port was done. The AF webserver seems to have some serious problems and I hope that they'll sort it out soon.

However, the sources are disassembled and many important functions commented. The reassembled source runs natively on the X68000 again even with changes. So I was able to make a Pac-Mania trainer for the X68000.

The graphics emulation is done by putting "jsr" hooks in the source code where the sprites and background are being drawn on the Atari. The sound emulation was simply commented out.

The X68000 has indeed a decent sprite hardware but it is still limited by the fact that the memory mapped area of the sprite data is quite small. The games need to refresh that area to get all the sprites displayed so this results in either a DMA copy (Pac-Mania sprite animation) or caching (Galaga 88 compressed sprites) strategy.

What needs to be done for the Amiga port is to replace all the graphics functions and convert the graphics (sprites and backgrounds). This applies to the sound as well but that seems to be a far "simpler" task.

Cheers
Sascha
AnimaInCorpore is offline  
AdSense AdSense  
 


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
porting vlc ? turrican3 request.Apps 4 25 June 2011 21:27
X68000 games with debug infos. hitchhikr project.CARE 9 28 January 2011 11:10
x68000 games download sites redblade Retrogaming General Discussion 27 09 November 2010 20:58
Help porting Mindscape's Legend Queller request.Other 6 30 October 2010 12:07
X68000 stainy Retrogaming General Discussion 5 07 October 2005 09:58

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 22:29.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Page generated in 0.22203 seconds with 12 queries