"Hunter HD" - Fan Remake & nostalgic discussion of a classic Amiga game :) - Page 2

Cherno · 19 January 2015, 15:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil79

Do you have a link to the latest build? As the OP is the old one

Cheers

I haven't uploaded a newer one yet. I want to have a number of things in before releasing a new version that shows real improvement, otherwise people will get tired of seeing the same kind of game over and over again and lose interest, and interest and criticism is what keeps a fan project like this going

Neil79 · 19 January 2015, 15:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherno

I haven't uploaded a newer one yet. I want to have a number of things in before releasing a new version that shows real improvement, otherwise people will get tired of seeing the same kind of game over and over again and lose interest, and interest and criticism is what keeps a fan project like this going

Yeh no worries, let me know when it's ready so I can announce it to the retro community

Cherno · 21 January 2015, 10:29

Just found this documentary-style video about the Origins of Open World Gaming, which also mentions Hunter

[ Show youtube player ]

jimmy2x2x · 21 January 2015, 11:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherno

...people will get tired of seeing the same kind of game over and over again and lose interest, and interest and criticism is what keeps a fan project like this going

Very insightful!

If more people understood this, more would be created

Cherno · 21 January 2015, 11:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimmy2x2x

Very insightful!

If more people understood this, more would be created

Nevertheless I have decided to create a Call of Duty-clone instead, because I think that is is innovative and will bring new ideas to the genre

Cherno · 28 January 2015, 09:31

Sorry for the lack of updates, I had to redo the character controller and after that was done I somehow broke my vehicle physics which I couldn't find the solution after countless attempts till I finally found a workaround.

Cherno · 04 February 2015, 22:34

I made good progress the last several days. More buildings with interiors, including the Headquarter; Modeled some props, furniture and terrain objects; Added a zoom function to the aiming feature; The missile boat now fires guided missiles with a little pixelated particle effect trailing behind them

Oh, and I added an animated flagpole, fluttering in the wind

All vehicles and weapons now take their data from XML files that are loaded at game start.

Currently I'm implementing a day/night cycle.

gimbal · 05 February 2015, 15:53

Youtube videos or it didn't happen.

Cherno · 12 February 2015, 22:25

Death takes a ride...

Cherno · 19 February 2015, 02:14

Current task: Coding a lock-on system for the missile launcher on the missile boat. about 75% done

Also, some work in progress models.

Vot · 19 February 2015, 02:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherno

Current task: Coding a lock-on system for the missile launcher on the missile boat. about 75% done

Also, some work in progress models.

Great work.. Love hunter will have to download the work in progress and check it out...

Cherno · 19 February 2015, 02:30

Cool. Just be aware that the version currently uploaded is a first effort to gartner interest

In the meantime, I have added a lot of things, but haven't released a new version so far because it still needs some tuning.

Neil79 · 19 February 2015, 10:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cherno

Cool. Just be aware that the version currently uploaded is a first effort to gartner interest

In the meantime, I have added a lot of things, but haven't released a new version so far because it still needs some tuning.

Cherno · 02 March 2015, 17:34

Excuse the lack of progress reports, I'm currently trying to tackle the streaming ob world objects, which is a completely new thing to me and progress is very slow (partly because it's also not much fun and also pretty complicated). You see, with a fairly big game world (nearly 15 km² / 10.5 square miles), with lots of things like buildings, vehicles, trees and whatnot, it's very resource-intensive to have it all "there" at the same time. This is why open world games like Skyrim or Fallout stream objects in and out of virtual existence while the player moves through the world. The world is divided into chunks or cells, and only the objects in cells near the player's current position are actually fully "there" with their models, AI, physics and so on, while the vast rest only exists in memory.

gimbal · 02 March 2015, 17:55

Do you (want to) have overhangs such as caves? Otherwise you could employ the good old heightmap trick to get such gigantic worlds with little actual memory used for the world data. With such a low resolution world as hunter has, each pixel in the heightmap could represent a significant amount of on-screen space.

Cherno · 02 March 2015, 18:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimbal

Do you (want to) have overhangs such as caves? Otherwise you could employ the good old heightmap trick to get such gigantic worlds with little actual memory used for the world data. With such a low resolution world as hunter has, each pixel in the heightmap could represent a significant amount of on-screen space.

I do use a 256x256 pixel heightmap, with one pixel for each terrain vertex. The world is low resolution enough to have all of it's chunks (8x8) exist at once without any problems, so I'm not streaming the ground and water, only all the other objects.

And no, there are no caves or overhangs. It's all just like we know it from the original Hunter

gimbal · 02 March 2015, 22:47

Well the objects are also pretty low resolution, so perhaps you are solving problems here that don't actually exist?

(I get it though, of course you feel the pressure of the fact that the game ran on a standard A500 with almost no resources at all).

Cherno · 03 March 2015, 02:38

Actually the issues at hand is not the complexity of the models as most are indeed extremely low-poly, but rather that the Unity Engine doesn't like having hundreds and hundreds of seperate gameObjects in the scene at once, even if they are just cubes that don't do anything. Once a four digits number is reached, frame rate starts to drop.
The original even had to make sure that only one other character was on screen along with the player, so I should be glad to have a little bit more power at my disposal

gimbal · 03 March 2015, 10:49

The scene for rendering and the world data should be two separate things though. I thought we were talking about the streaming of world data.

Meh, that's too technical for this thread. Moving along!

Vot · 03 March 2015, 10:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by gimbal

The scene for rendering and the world data should be two separate things though. I thought we were talking about the streaming of world data.

Meh, that's too technical for this thread. Moving along!

Yea i didn't quite understand the game should be MVC at least and only objects seen in the view rendered in the scene.

04 February 2015, 22:34	#27
Cherno Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Dortmund, Germany Posts: 1,054	I made good progress the last several days. More buildings with interiors, including the Headquarter; Modeled some props, furniture and terrain objects; Added a zoom function to the aiming feature; The missile boat now fires guided missiles with a little pixelated particle effect trailing behind them Oh, and I added an animated flagpole, fluttering in the wind All vehicles and weapons now take their data from XML files that are loaded at game start. Currently I'm implementing a day/night cycle. Last edited by Cherno; 05 February 2015 at 00:34.

12 February 2015, 22:25	#29
Cherno Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Dortmund, Germany Posts: 1,054	Death takes a ride... Last edited by Cherno; 07 October 2015 at 20:57.

19 February 2015, 02:14	#30
Cherno Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Dortmund, Germany Posts: 1,054	Current task: Coding a lock-on system for the missile launcher on the missile boat. about 75% done Also, some work in progress models. Last edited by Cherno; 07 October 2015 at 20:57.

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21 January 2015, 10:29	#23
Cherno Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Dortmund, Germany Posts: 1,054	Just found this documentary-style video about the Origins of Open World Gaming, which also mentions Hunter [ Show youtube player ]

28 January 2015, 09:31	#26
Cherno Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Dortmund, Germany Posts: 1,054	Sorry for the lack of updates, I had to redo the character controller and after that was done I somehow broke my vehicle physics which I couldn't find the solution after countless attempts till I finally found a workaround.

05 February 2015, 15:53	#28
gimbal cheeky scoundrel Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 42 Posts: 6,905	Youtube videos or it didn't happen.

19 February 2015, 02:30	#32
Cherno Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Dortmund, Germany Posts: 1,054	Cool. Just be aware that the version currently uploaded is a first effort to gartner interest In the meantime, I have added a lot of things, but haven't released a new version so far because it still needs some tuning.

02 March 2015, 17:34	#34
Cherno Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Dortmund, Germany Posts: 1,054	Excuse the lack of progress reports, I'm currently trying to tackle the streaming ob world objects, which is a completely new thing to me and progress is very slow (partly because it's also not much fun and also pretty complicated). You see, with a fairly big game world (nearly 15 km² / 10.5 square miles), with lots of things like buildings, vehicles, trees and whatnot, it's very resource-intensive to have it all "there" at the same time. This is why open world games like Skyrim or Fallout stream objects in and out of virtual existence while the player moves through the world. The world is divided into chunks or cells, and only the objects in cells near the player's current position are actually fully "there" with their models, AI, physics and so on, while the vast rest only exists in memory.

02 March 2015, 17:55	#35
gimbal cheeky scoundrel Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 42 Posts: 6,905	Do you (want to) have overhangs such as caves? Otherwise you could employ the good old heightmap trick to get such gigantic worlds with little actual memory used for the world data. With such a low resolution world as hunter has, each pixel in the heightmap could represent a significant amount of on-screen space.

02 March 2015, 22:47	#37
gimbal cheeky scoundrel Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 42 Posts: 6,905	Well the objects are also pretty low resolution, so perhaps you are solving problems here that don't actually exist? (I get it though, of course you feel the pressure of the fact that the game ran on a standard A500 with almost no resources at all).

03 March 2015, 02:38	#38
Cherno Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Dortmund, Germany Posts: 1,054	Actually the issues at hand is not the complexity of the models as most are indeed extremely low-poly, but rather that the Unity Engine doesn't like having hundreds and hundreds of seperate gameObjects in the scene at once, even if they are just cubes that don't do anything. Once a four digits number is reached, frame rate starts to drop. The original even had to make sure that only one other character was on screen along with the player, so I should be glad to have a little bit more power at my disposal

03 March 2015, 10:49	#39
gimbal cheeky scoundrel Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Spijkenisse/Netherlands Age: 42 Posts: 6,905	The scene for rendering and the world data should be two separate things though. I thought we were talking about the streaming of world data. Meh, that's too technical for this thread. Moving along!

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