ScummVM and AGA Amiga

HardStep · 23 May 2006, 12:00

Hi guys,
i have a 060/50 AGA machine with 64mb fast ram and woud like to try some games on ScummVM. My expectations are not too high, but can anyone tell me what games will run on that configuration (so i will know which games to hunt down and get for my Miggy)?
Thanks.

pbareges · 23 May 2006, 19:14

i'm using scummaga 0.38.2 with systempatch 2.96 (instead of blazewcp and its compatibility issues with os3.0 - it makes real difference in terms of speed) and i succesfully completed day of the tentacle (english cd version to avoid issue with protection codes). sam'n'max also seems to work fine...

patrik · 23 May 2006, 19:26

The fastest ScummVM version on the Amiga by far is WarpSCUMM, but unfortunately it havent been updated in quite some time. You can play a bunch of games with it though.

alexh · 23 May 2006, 20:16

I thought that WarpOS was for PPC only?

patrik · 23 May 2006, 20:24

It comes with both 68k and WarpOS binaries

.

Bamiga2002 · 24 May 2006, 12:05

ScummVM 0.7.1
http://people.freenet.de/uweryssel/scumm_en.html

kriz · 24 May 2006, 12:27

I tried Flight of the amazon queen (talkie version) in Scumm on my 060/50Mhz ... It was abit too slow

Have to try the Day of the tentacle later!

alexh · 24 May 2006, 13:40

If what I am reading on the WarpSCUMM website is true (and I cannot test it) the speed is due to it's use of WarpSDL. Doesnt that mean that you should be able to (with some tweaks etc.) compile a newer version of SCUMM with this version of SDL?

patrik · 24 May 2006, 17:22

@alexh:
Unfortunately, he haven't released a devkit for warpsdl.library

.

The performance of the regular SDL on the Amiga is really bad, so it doesn't surprise me that a better version would make a big difference.

alexh · 24 May 2006, 20:15

What's this about using HWSURFACES and DOUBLE BUFFERING with regular Amiga SDL?

http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view...1&93#message21

pTah · 26 May 2006, 15:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bamiga2002

ScummVM 0.7.1
http://people.freenet.de/uweryssel/scumm_en.html

^^with this one i was able to play nearly all scumm games on aga except monkeyisland3 as this one needs a gfx-card... i tried it on 030/50 and it runs great, but sadly without midi-music.

pbareges · 26 May 2006, 18:37

in terms of pure speed for AGA 68k machines and day of the tentacle/sam'n'max, no version beats scummaga 0.38.2...trust me !! i'm able to enjoy these 2 games with my poor 1200 8mb fast at really reasonable speed!!

pbareges · 26 May 2006, 18:52

by the way, for us low configuration classic amiga users, wouldn't it be possible to upgrade scummaga 0.38.2 to make it play midi music without degrading too much game speed...also i found some utils converting midi files to modules thanks to a sample library...couldn't we consider converting midi music files from these games to amiga modules to make them play with very low CPU consumption ?

pbareges · 26 May 2006, 18:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by patrik

The fastest ScummVM version on the Amiga by far is WarpSCUMM, but unfortunately it havent been updated in quite some time. You can play a bunch of games with it though.

from the readme file it says you need cybergraphics...so shouldn't run on AGA amigas right ?

alexh · 26 May 2006, 20:16

If that were true why does it say "Double buffering can now be forced on AGA screens"?

pTah · 27 May 2006, 14:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbareges

in terms of pure speed for AGA 68k machines and day of the tentacle/sam'n'max, no version beats scummaga 0.38.2...trust me !! i'm able to enjoy these 2 games with my poor 1200 8mb fast at really reasonable speed!!

sounds nice. i would like to try that one. could you give me a link or upload it to the zone please?

i hope it is as compatible as my standard scummvm 0.71 (which runs pretty fine at 030/50)... with scummvm 0.71 i can play nearly all scumm-compatible games and that rocks!

Quote:

Originally Posted by pbareges

by the way, for us low configuration classic amiga users, wouldn't it be possible to upgrade scummaga 0.38.2 to make it play midi music without degrading too much game speed...also i found some utils converting midi files to modules thanks to a sample library...couldn't we consider converting midi music files from these games to amiga modules to make them play with very low CPU consumption ?

that would be awesome!!! these lucasarts-games are just not as funny without music as they would be with music...

i thought about that problem too. the way i see it it should be possible to convert the midi-tunes to something more useful for an lowspec amiga... damn i'm no programmer.

an general update of scummaga would be also nice.

pbareges · 27 May 2006, 19:15

the link is ...http://www.mountmonkey.com/downloads_scummvm.html

you will also need blazewcp for os3.1+ from aminet or systempatch 2.96 for 0s3.0 from this link : http://web.tiscali.it/ziosante/downl...emPatch296.lha

pTah · 27 May 2006, 23:38

thx,
i'll give this one a try. i allredy have blazewcp as the standard scummvm also needs it. besides i don't like systempatch as it was rather unstable on my system...

edit:
hmm the readme says that it doesn't support all the games which scummvm 0.71 supports.

but if it's a little faster it's worth trying!

pbareges · 12 June 2006, 18:14

so what about speed comparison ??

also I checked out and i don't think scummvm 0.7.1 takes advantage of blazewcp as it is not part of the requirements and as it makes no difference on my computer with or without it...right ? maybe i missed something in the configuration to get full advantage of it ? let me know..

I noticed this version (0.7.1) was unstable as it crashed a few times on my computer while running DOTT...what about you ? is it due to my config ?

Also about warpscumm, yes it supports AGA but you need to have at least a 040 board...do you know why ?

TO CONCLUDE, on a vanilla 1200...SCUMMVM_AGA 0.38.2 STILL RULES !!!

pbareges · 15 June 2006, 03:37

can't manage to make warpscumm work with ahi..if sound disabled works fine with stack 200000 but when adlib emulation on, game freezes on startup...any idea idea about the stack required ? what ahi config do you need to make it work with paula soundchip? thx.

23 May 2006, 12:00	#1
HardStep Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Toronto Posts: 184	ScummVM and AGA Amiga Hi guys, i have a 060/50 AGA machine with 64mb fast ram and woud like to try some games on ScummVM. My expectations are not too high, but can anyone tell me what games will run on that configuration (so i will know which games to hunt down and get for my Miggy)? Thanks.

27 May 2006, 23:38	#18
pTah Zone Friend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Germany Age: 38 Posts: 73	thx, i'll give this one a try. i allredy have blazewcp as the standard scummvm also needs it. besides i don't like systempatch as it was rather unstable on my system... edit: hmm the readme says that it doesn't support all the games which scummvm 0.71 supports. but if it's a little faster it's worth trying! Last edited by pTah; 27 May 2006 at 23:47.

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23 May 2006, 19:14	#2
pbareges Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: montreal / canada Age: 47 Posts: 722	i'm using scummaga 0.38.2 with systempatch 2.96 (instead of blazewcp and its compatibility issues with os3.0 - it makes real difference in terms of speed) and i succesfully completed day of the tentacle (english cd version to avoid issue with protection codes). sam'n'max also seems to work fine...

23 May 2006, 19:26	#3
patrik Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Umeå Age: 43 Posts: 922	The fastest ScummVM version on the Amiga by far is WarpSCUMM, but unfortunately it havent been updated in quite some time. You can play a bunch of games with it though.

23 May 2006, 20:16	#4
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,331	I thought that WarpOS was for PPC only?

23 May 2006, 20:24	#5
patrik Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Umeå Age: 43 Posts: 922	It comes with both 68k and WarpOS binaries .

24 May 2006, 12:05	#6
Bamiga2002 BlizzardPPC'less Join Date: May 2004 Location: Finland Age: 46 Posts: 3,210	ScummVM 0.7.1 http://people.freenet.de/uweryssel/scumm_en.html

24 May 2006, 12:27	#7
kriz Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: No(R)Way Age: 41 Posts: 3,185	I tried Flight of the amazon queen (talkie version) in Scumm on my 060/50Mhz ... It was abit too slow Have to try the Day of the tentacle later!

24 May 2006, 13:40	#8
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,331	If what I am reading on the WarpSCUMM website is true (and I cannot test it) the speed is due to it's use of WarpSDL. Doesnt that mean that you should be able to (with some tweaks etc.) compile a newer version of SCUMM with this version of SDL?

24 May 2006, 17:22	#9
patrik Registered User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Umeå Age: 43 Posts: 922	@alexh: Unfortunately, he haven't released a devkit for warpsdl.library . The performance of the regular SDL on the Amiga is really bad, so it doesn't surprise me that a better version would make a big difference.

24 May 2006, 20:15	#10
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,331	What's this about using HWSURFACES and DOUBLE BUFFERING with regular Amiga SDL? http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view...1&93#message21

26 May 2006, 18:37	#12
pbareges Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: montreal / canada Age: 47 Posts: 722	in terms of pure speed for AGA 68k machines and day of the tentacle/sam'n'max, no version beats scummaga 0.38.2...trust me !! i'm able to enjoy these 2 games with my poor 1200 8mb fast at really reasonable speed!!

26 May 2006, 18:52	#13
pbareges Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: montreal / canada Age: 47 Posts: 722	by the way, for us low configuration classic amiga users, wouldn't it be possible to upgrade scummaga 0.38.2 to make it play midi music without degrading too much game speed...also i found some utils converting midi files to modules thanks to a sample library...couldn't we consider converting midi music files from these games to amiga modules to make them play with very low CPU consumption ?

26 May 2006, 20:16	#15
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,331	If that were true why does it say "Double buffering can now be forced on AGA screens"?

27 May 2006, 19:15	#17
pbareges Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: montreal / canada Age: 47 Posts: 722	the link is ...http://www.mountmonkey.com/downloads_scummvm.html you will also need blazewcp for os3.1+ from aminet or systempatch 2.96 for 0s3.0 from this link : http://web.tiscali.it/ziosante/downl...emPatch296.lha

12 June 2006, 18:14	#19
pbareges Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: montreal / canada Age: 47 Posts: 722	so what about speed comparison ?? also I checked out and i don't think scummvm 0.7.1 takes advantage of blazewcp as it is not part of the requirements and as it makes no difference on my computer with or without it...right ? maybe i missed something in the configuration to get full advantage of it ? let me know.. I noticed this version (0.7.1) was unstable as it crashed a few times on my computer while running DOTT...what about you ? is it due to my config ? Also about warpscumm, yes it supports AGA but you need to have at least a 040 board...do you know why ? TO CONCLUDE, on a vanilla 1200...SCUMMVM_AGA 0.38.2 STILL RULES !!!

15 June 2006, 03:37	#20
pbareges Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: montreal / canada Age: 47 Posts: 722	can't manage to make warpscumm work with ahi..if sound disabled works fine with stack 200000 but when adlib emulation on, game freezes on startup...any idea idea about the stack required ? what ahi config do you need to make it work with paula soundchip? thx.

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