PPC supprt in OS 3.9

Kristian95 · 27 April 2008, 19:05

I'd like to add PPC support in OS 3.9.

Should I install that with the floppies that came with the CSPPC card or with the OS 3.9 CD ??

Btw, should I install the SCSI software on the floppy that came with the card and the software on the CD that came with it too ??

keropi · 27 April 2008, 19:54

insert the os3.9 cd, start the installation script and choose WarpOS (it says ppc support or something...) then update to WOS5.1 (the warpUP update 5.1 found here: http://powerup.amigaworld.de/index.php?lang=en&page=13 )

Kristian95 · 27 April 2008, 20:25

Hmmm, I just installed WarpOS up to v 5.1 and then added PPCLibEmu also.
When I reboot the systems hangs right after showing the icons on WB, the background is still grey and the mouse cursor is not moveable (and showing the busy clock symbol).
I installed the v 14 of WarpOS, should I have chosen the v 7 when installing PPCLibEmu also ??

keropi · 27 April 2008, 20:32

did you install the cd-version first and then the update? also disable ppclibemu and try again, there is no big use of it, WOS progs are plenty

Kristian95 · 27 April 2008, 20:41

I installed the cd version, then the update, then the ppclibemu and then rebooted. Should I reboot in between some of these steps ??

Kristian95 · 27 April 2008, 20:55

I was suggested to test whether the PPC CPU works by installing the standard ppc.library and then run either the mountains demo or ppctool from the PowerUp CD.... I installed the ppc.library and rebooted the miggy.
When I double clicked the Mountains tool it said "Cannot open ppc.library" and double clicking the PPCTool resulted in nothing happening.

I guess that means my PPC isn't working??

keropi · 27 April 2008, 21:06

ok, what I do to test is this (assuming you do have WOS5.1 installed, ppclibemu is not needed)
Get amigaamp , install it and configure it to use the WOS engine from the menu... and let it play an mp3... if after a minute it still plays then u are OK!
OR
get this PPC TEST DMS by thomas , expand the DMS to a disk and boot with it. it will check your ppc

Kristian95 · 28 April 2008, 01:47

I just tried the PPC test disk.... not good

When I do the PowerUp test it says "failed return code 10"
and the WarpOS test just stalls right after it says it will start

I guess that means the PPC CPU is not working.... are there any people who do repairs on CSPPC boards and how much should I expect that it would cost ??

keropi · 28 April 2008, 08:48

bad news.... you can send it for check to mr. JJB in France, a fully trustworthy person, here is his page: http://www.amigacenter.com/Homer.html

alphonsus · 28 April 2008, 08:52

Enough power reaching the board? You could try running a vanilla OS3.1 and then trying PPCtest to see whether the somewhat hybrid setup you have is causing conflicts.

Kristian95 · 28 April 2008, 17:44

@ keropi:
I contacted JJB and he responds that repairing it involves a risky process "
The PPC CPU must be air-reflow at 230 °C approx.
Its dangerous and sometimes makes the board definitively dead."
Has anyone ever experienced a board dying during repairs... because I'm a bit hesitant to risking the 060 processor, SCSI controller and RAM expansion part of the board *shivers*

@ alphonsus:
I would think enough power should make it to the board. It is in an Amiga Technologies A4000T and the tower only has: 2 x HD floppy drives, 1 x SCSI cd-rom, 1 x CF card (the second not installed yet), 1 x PIV card and 1 x eFlash card...
The cooler fan on the PPC CPU is spinning all the time so it should keep the CPU cool enough.
Since PPCTest boots from a floppy does it really matter whether I have an 3.1 or 3.9 install on the HD ??

keropi · 28 April 2008, 18:02

well yes.... the risk is great... but maybe there is something else wrong... in 060 mode is it compltellly stable?

Kristian95 · 28 April 2008, 19:50

I haven't had any problems with the card in 060 mode, granted it has not been running for more than an hour at a time or so, but it has been completely stable during that time.

keropi · 28 April 2008, 20:32

wellll.... tough decision... If I was you I would keep the card as a 060 ... but I would certainly send the card to JJB to check it and if there is nothing wrong with another part, then remove the ppc chip... so you will have a perfect working MK3 (and be sure the ppc is dead...)

Kristian95 · 28 April 2008, 20:54

ok, thanks for the advice

27 April 2008, 19:05	#1
Kristian95 A4000T owner :) Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California, USA Age: 49 Posts: 498	PPC supprt in OS 3.9 I'd like to add PPC support in OS 3.9. Should I install that with the floppies that came with the CSPPC card or with the OS 3.9 CD ?? Btw, should I install the SCSI software on the floppy that came with the card and the software on the CD that came with it too ??

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27 April 2008, 19:54	#2
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	insert the os3.9 cd, start the installation script and choose WarpOS (it says ppc support or something...) then update to WOS5.1 (the warpUP update 5.1 found here: http://powerup.amigaworld.de/index.php?lang=en&page=13 )

27 April 2008, 20:25	#3
Kristian95 A4000T owner :) Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California, USA Age: 49 Posts: 498	Hmmm, I just installed WarpOS up to v 5.1 and then added PPCLibEmu also. When I reboot the systems hangs right after showing the icons on WB, the background is still grey and the mouse cursor is not moveable (and showing the busy clock symbol). I installed the v 14 of WarpOS, should I have chosen the v 7 when installing PPCLibEmu also ??

27 April 2008, 20:32	#4
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	did you install the cd-version first and then the update? also disable ppclibemu and try again, there is no big use of it, WOS progs are plenty

27 April 2008, 20:41	#5
Kristian95 A4000T owner :) Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California, USA Age: 49 Posts: 498	I installed the cd version, then the update, then the ppclibemu and then rebooted. Should I reboot in between some of these steps ??

27 April 2008, 20:55	#6
Kristian95 A4000T owner :) Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California, USA Age: 49 Posts: 498	I was suggested to test whether the PPC CPU works by installing the standard ppc.library and then run either the mountains demo or ppctool from the PowerUp CD.... I installed the ppc.library and rebooted the miggy. When I double clicked the Mountains tool it said "Cannot open ppc.library" and double clicking the PPCTool resulted in nothing happening. I guess that means my PPC isn't working??

27 April 2008, 21:06	#7
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	ok, what I do to test is this (assuming you do have WOS5.1 installed, ppclibemu is not needed) Get amigaamp , install it and configure it to use the WOS engine from the menu... and let it play an mp3... if after a minute it still plays then u are OK! OR get this PPC TEST DMS by thomas , expand the DMS to a disk and boot with it. it will check your ppc

28 April 2008, 01:47	#8
Kristian95 A4000T owner :) Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California, USA Age: 49 Posts: 498	I just tried the PPC test disk.... not good When I do the PowerUp test it says "failed return code 10" and the WarpOS test just stalls right after it says it will start I guess that means the PPC CPU is not working.... are there any people who do repairs on CSPPC boards and how much should I expect that it would cost ??

28 April 2008, 08:48	#9
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	bad news.... you can send it for check to mr. JJB in France, a fully trustworthy person, here is his page: http://www.amigacenter.com/Homer.html

28 April 2008, 08:52	#10
alphonsus Registered User Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: UK Age: 50 Posts: 181	Enough power reaching the board? You could try running a vanilla OS3.1 and then trying PPCtest to see whether the somewhat hybrid setup you have is causing conflicts.

28 April 2008, 17:44	#11
Kristian95 A4000T owner :) Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California, USA Age: 49 Posts: 498	@ keropi: I contacted JJB and he responds that repairing it involves a risky process " The PPC CPU must be air-reflow at 230 °C approx. Its dangerous and sometimes makes the board definitively dead." Has anyone ever experienced a board dying during repairs... because I'm a bit hesitant to risking the 060 processor, SCSI controller and RAM expansion part of the board shivers @ alphonsus: I would think enough power should make it to the board. It is in an Amiga Technologies A4000T and the tower only has: 2 x HD floppy drives, 1 x SCSI cd-rom, 1 x CF card (the second not installed yet), 1 x PIV card and 1 x eFlash card... The cooler fan on the PPC CPU is spinning all the time so it should keep the CPU cool enough. Since PPCTest boots from a floppy does it really matter whether I have an 3.1 or 3.9 install on the HD ??

28 April 2008, 18:02	#12
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	well yes.... the risk is great... but maybe there is something else wrong... in 060 mode is it compltellly stable?

28 April 2008, 19:50	#13
Kristian95 A4000T owner :) Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California, USA Age: 49 Posts: 498	I haven't had any problems with the card in 060 mode, granted it has not been running for more than an hour at a time or so, but it has been completely stable during that time.

28 April 2008, 20:32	#14
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	wellll.... tough decision... If I was you I would keep the card as a 060 ... but I would certainly send the card to JJB to check it and if there is nothing wrong with another part, then remove the ppc chip... so you will have a perfect working MK3 (and be sure the ppc is dead...)

28 April 2008, 20:54	#15
Kristian95 A4000T owner :) Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California, USA Age: 49 Posts: 498	ok, thanks for the advice

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