EAB/Lemon Super League 2019 Round 8: Game Vote - OPEN ROUND

[john4p]

EAB/Lemon Super League 2019 Round 8: Game Vote - OPEN ROUND
Starts: 12:01 June 16th Finishes: 11:59 June 30th

Rules

Full rules are here.

Vote for five games.

Your first choice gets 5 points, second 4 pts, third 3 pts, fourth 2 pts, fifth 1 pt.

Remember to choose games suitable for competition play. Edited votes will be discounted (unless told otherwise) so think before you post. Please only vote on one board - either EAB or Lemon.

If a game comes in ECS and AGA versions, please state your preference in your vote. In the event the versions differ gameplay-wise, the version with most votes will be played. ECS is the default if you don't specify.

There will be no double voting power coming into play since seven(!) people got the gold medal in Treasure Island Dizzy.

Tactical or nosey voters can see the Lemon voting thread here.

This is the second Open Round of the season, meaning any game except for the previous season's ones can be voted for as long as it is suitable for competition play.

Voting is not allowed for games played in last season:

2018 Season
R01: Pinball Dreams
R02: F1 (Domark)
R03: Alien Fish Finger (2011 edition)
R03: Screech
R04: Microprose Formula One Grand Prix
R05: Rainbow Islands
R06: Paradroid 90
R06: Saint Dragon
R07: Ziriax
R08: Lotus Turbo Challenge 2
R09: Zarathrusta
R09: Zool 2
R10: PGA Tour Golf
R11: Toki
R12: Sensible World of Soccer
R12: Speedball 2
R13: James Pond - Underwater Agent
R14: MAX Rally

Anyone is welcome to vote, play and chat at any time. May voting commence...

[john4p]

1. Shadow of the Beast II
2. Gods
3. Jaguar XJ220
4. Turrican
5. Navy Seals

[malko]

1. Shadow of the Beast II
2. Menace
3. Ninja warriors
4. Super hang-on
5. Buggy Boy

[john4p]

Sunday noon the second half of this season begins.

Two days remain to vote for which game we'll play for the next three weeks.

[capehorn]

1. Shadow of the Beast II
2. Super Hang-on
3. Jaguar XJ220
4. Theme Park
5. Buggy Boy

We could score SotB II like we did SotB with landmarks, but we would have to caveat a lot of landmarks by insisting a player had particular items in their possession when reaching them. Alternatively, we could score it by giving a value to each item the player is in possession of at the time of death? For example something like:

Potion: +5 points (each)
Key (Any): +5 points
Axe: +5 points
Ale: +10 points
Horn: +10 points
Parchment: +15 points
Ring: +15 points
Old Man's Weapon: +40 points
Completion: +100 points, with ties broken by visually examining how much health is remaining.

[john4p]

Thanks for the input. I'll cross-check Laffer's playthrough with your list tomorrow and then define the scoring method for our league.

[capehorn]

Originally Posted by john4p

Thanks for the input. I'll cross-check Laffer's playthrough with your list tomorrow and then define the scoring method for our league.

I think this might be a harder game to score than SotB as that game had hit points you could use to break ties (I have zero ideas how to score SotB III btw).


A weakness of my method is that we will have a lot of ties. Maybe combining it with some sort of landmark system might work. If we can find a way to quantify remaining health when the screenshot was taken, that would also help differentiate the scores.

Maybe if three players have the same items and hit the same landmark, even if we cannot quantify their remaning health, we can visually see that player A has more health than player B, who himself has more than player C, then player A would get an extra 0.3 points, player B gets 0.2 points and player C 0.1 points?

[john4p]

Yes, we should definitely add health to the score this way.

[Harry]

1. Beast II
2. Gods
3. Mega Lo Mania (most men remaining in selected epochs)
4. Traders
5. Turrican

[john4p]

Beast II has an inbuilt scoring system. It's not suited for competition because there are loads of respawning enemies - but we can use it lowball style to avoid too many ties:

Let's just subtract the game score from the score that you obtain from items. So in-game is the negative score.

The positive score comes from items (and game completion) - as suggested by capehorn because it's really feasible.
After looking at the playthrough I reassessed their values:

Coin: 1,000 pts each (press S to show coins and score)
Potion: 10,000 pts
Key (Any): 15,000 pts
Axe: 15,000 points
Ale: 50,000 points
Horn: 50,000 points (consolation for paying the 36 coins)
Parchment: 25,000 points
Ring: 100,000 points (the Ale-"upgrade")
Magic Weapon: 200,000 points (Replacement for Ring & Parchment)
Completion (Zelek defeated): additional 250,000 points (consolation for giving up the horn)

Before taking a screenshot press S to show coins and (negative) score and then HELP (Page Down for WinUAE users) to pause the game.
DELETE unpauses.

Example: You defeat Zelek, have the magic weapon and one potion in possession, 0 coins and an in-game score of 2,050.

=> 250,000 + 200,000 + 10,000 + 0 - 2,050 = 457,950 total score


@capehorn: Please review and judge if this works.

[capehorn]

Thanks John, I'll have a good look at this later tonight. Coins might be a very good idea as they are crucial game items.

[john4p]

Yeah that could prevent people from skipping certain parts in order to get a higher score.

[blade002]

That's too much work for me...

But I may try anyway

[john4p]

You just have to press S and then HELP to take a screenshot. We can calculate the score for you!

[el_pasi]

1. Sensible Soccer
2. Gods
3. IK+
4. Stardust
5. Coloris (Time game)

[blade002]

Originally Posted by john4p

You just have to press S and then HELP to take a screenshot. We can calculate the score for you!

Ahhh cheers John, you're a good man

[john4p]

Okay, after getting feedback from capehorn we decided to not use the ingame score at all but rather examine the remaining health to break ties.
When the health isn't clearly different then it's a tie.

3 more changes:

1. There are some issues with keys so they won't be worth any points!

2. After you use the axe and are inside the goblin fortress you'll keep its 15k-bonus until you pick up the ring.

3. Once you pick up the horn your coins won't count anymore.

Coin: 1,000 pts each (press S to show coins and score)
Potion: 10,000 pts
Key (Any): 0 pts
Axe or being inside the Goblin Fortress until you pick up the ring: 15,000 points
Ale: 50,000 points
Horn: 50,000 points (coins will be worthless once you pick this up!)
Parchment: 25,000 points
Ring: 100,000 points (the Ale-"upgrade")
Magic Weapon: 200,000 points (Replacement for Ring & Parchment)
Completion (Zelek defeated): additional 250,000 points (consolation for giving up the horn)

Before taking a screenshot press S to show coins and (negative) score and then HELP (Page Down for WinUAE users) to pause the game.
DELETE unpauses.

Example: You defeat Zelek, have the magic weapon, one potion in possession and 0 coins left.

=> 250,000 + 200,000 + 10,000 + 0 = 460,000 total score

[john4p]

Results:

Shadow of the Beast II ... 20pts
Pro Tennis Tour II ... 14pts
Gods ... 12pts
Starglider ... 9pts
Theme Park ... 9pts
Turrican ... 7pts
Jaguar XJ220 ... 6pts
Super Hang-On ... 6pts
Bolo Mrówkojad ... 5pts
F17 Challenge ... 5pts
Global Gladiators ... 5pts
Banshee ... 5pts
Sensible Soccer ... 5pts
Warzone ... 5pts

We're playing Beast II!