Legacy RPG demo - Page 3

nobody · 18 February 2020, 12:53

Well since they sold the Amiga rights to another party it's up to them to release it i guess.

BSzili · 18 February 2020, 13:00

The rights already changed hands by the time I got involved.

DamienD · 18 February 2020, 22:21

Hey BSzili,

Any way to get the screen larger when using "hires" (and possibly centred)?

Screenshot below taken on an RTG setup:

BSzili · 18 February 2020, 23:09

Unfortunately not. The game supports a fixed set of UI layouts optimized for various PDA resolutions. 480x320 (Palm Hi-res+ landscape) is the highest one. Here are screenshots of the different resolutions supported:
http://redshift.hu/legacypc.htm#shots

DamienD · 18 February 2020, 23:12

No problem, just thought I'd ask

Interesting to see the various screenshots on different devices though.

So a "normal" game is equivalent to: Pocket PC shots

A "HiRes" game is equivalent to: Palm Hi-res+ (landscape) shots

BSzili · 18 February 2020, 23:36

They came up with a pretty interesting system, where each UI coordinate and size has its own set of values for each resolution. Ideally I would have made a new layout for 640x480, but then I found that there are hundreds of values to change and they have added various hacks to fix the layouts. So yeah, in the end I went with those two resolutions (PPC and PalmHL), but I fixed some issues and added my own tweaks too, so you might notice some improvements compared to the PDA version

Solo Kazuki · 20 February 2020, 12:18

Good news! Legacy will be released in this Year!
Published by Inked Pixel Software.

Edit: Intro
[ Show youtube player ]

manossg · 20 February 2020, 12:20

Fantastic news!

Hewitson · 20 February 2020, 12:25

Oh wow. How did this happen?

BSzili · 20 February 2020, 13:54

Don't ask me, but if I were you I'd keep my expectations low.

kriz · 20 February 2020, 16:12

Hope this is true, looks really amazing .. !!

dreadnought · 20 February 2020, 16:46

Good to hear it will eventually get released, pity my 020-less ECS doesn't qualify...

BSzili · 20 February 2020, 16:54

Sorry about the 020 requirement, there's no way to get the game to work on 16-bit processors. Originally the game was meant to be AGA only, the 64-color EHB support was added as an afterthought.

Pyromania · 20 February 2020, 16:56

64-color EHB mode looks great.

BSzili · 20 February 2020, 17:06

It came out pretty decent. I used ham_convert by Sebastian Sieczko to convert a doctored image with the palette to EHB, down-sized it, and exported a lookup table. It was a mostly automated process, that's why the mouse cursor has weird colors. I would have fixed this before release by hand-tuning order of the colors in the palette.

Solo Kazuki · 20 February 2020, 17:49

So it's in two different palettes for AGA/RTG and ECS?

BSzili · 20 February 2020, 17:59

Yes, it works similar to ADoom. The game uses 256 color graphics internally, and when part of the screen has to be updated it uses a lookup table to pick the appropriate color from the EHB palette. Here's a visual representation of the lookup table:

Please note that this might not be the actual LUT I ended up using, I experimented with converting different images.

dreadnought · 20 February 2020, 18:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by BSzili

Sorry about the 020 requirement, there's no way to get the game to work on 16-bit processors. Originally the game was meant to be AGA only, the 64-color EHB support was added as an afterthought.

Well, there's always WinUAE

Thanks for all the efforts to resurrect/port it anyway

BSzili · 20 February 2020, 19:23

I guess, but then you might as well play the Windows version

alexh · 20 February 2020, 22:37

I do hope it comes out. Looks like there's an interesting back story about what's been going on. Hope you can tell it in full sometime. I love the politics of old game licenses. I've been trying to get ownership of the Thalion games copyright for 20 years. The owners bought it in 1995 and have done nothing with it since. Don't want to do anything with it in the future and don't want to talk about selling as it would cost too much in lawyer fees

18 February 2020, 22:21	#43
DamienD disengaged Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 44 Posts: 19,527	Hey BSzili, Any way to get the screen larger when using "hires" (and possibly centred)? Screenshot below taken on an RTG setup: Last edited by DamienD; 18 February 2020 at 22:30.

20 February 2020, 12:18	#47
Solo Kazuki Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 972	Good news! Legacy will be released in this Year! Published by Inked Pixel Software. Edit: Intro [ Show youtube player ] Last edited by Solo Kazuki; 20 February 2020 at 12:30. Reason: Intro link added

20 February 2020, 17:59	#57
BSzili Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hungary Posts: 332	Yes, it works similar to ADoom. The game uses 256 color graphics internally, and when part of the screen has to be updated it uses a lookup table to pick the appropriate color from the EHB palette. Here's a visual representation of the lookup table: Please note that this might not be the actual LUT I ended up using, I experimented with converting different images. Last edited by BSzili; 20 February 2020 at 18:06.

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18 February 2020, 12:53	#41
nobody Registered User Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: GR Age: 43 Posts: 1,406	Well since they sold the Amiga rights to another party it's up to them to release it i guess.

18 February 2020, 13:00	#42
BSzili Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hungary Posts: 332	The rights already changed hands by the time I got involved.

18 February 2020, 23:09	#44
BSzili Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hungary Posts: 332	Unfortunately not. The game supports a fixed set of UI layouts optimized for various PDA resolutions. 480x320 (Palm Hi-res+ landscape) is the highest one. Here are screenshots of the different resolutions supported: http://redshift.hu/legacypc.htm#shots

18 February 2020, 23:12	#45
DamienD disengaged Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London / Sydney Age: 44 Posts: 19,527	No problem, just thought I'd ask Interesting to see the various screenshots on different devices though. So a "normal" game is equivalent to: Pocket PC shots A "HiRes" game is equivalent to: Palm Hi-res+ (landscape) shots

18 February 2020, 23:36	#46
BSzili Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hungary Posts: 332	They came up with a pretty interesting system, where each UI coordinate and size has its own set of values for each resolution. Ideally I would have made a new layout for 640x480, but then I found that there are hundreds of values to change and they have added various hacks to fix the layouts. So yeah, in the end I went with those two resolutions (PPC and PalmHL), but I fixed some issues and added my own tweaks too, so you might notice some improvements compared to the PDA version

20 February 2020, 12:20	#48
manossg Registered User Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Greece Posts: 642	Fantastic news!

20 February 2020, 12:25	#49
Hewitson Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Australia Age: 38 Posts: 3,747	Oh wow. How did this happen?

20 February 2020, 13:54	#50
BSzili Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hungary Posts: 332	Don't ask me, but if I were you I'd keep my expectations low.

20 February 2020, 16:12	#51
kriz Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: No(R)Way Age: 38 Posts: 2,677	Hope this is true, looks really amazing .. !!

20 February 2020, 16:46	#52
dreadnought Registered User Join Date: Dec 2019 Location: Ur, Atlantis Posts: 719	Good to hear it will eventually get released, pity my 020-less ECS doesn't qualify...

20 February 2020, 16:54	#53
BSzili Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hungary Posts: 332	Sorry about the 020 requirement, there's no way to get the game to work on 16-bit processors. Originally the game was meant to be AGA only, the 64-color EHB support was added as an afterthought.

20 February 2020, 16:56	#54
Pyromania Moderator Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,559	64-color EHB mode looks great.

20 February 2020, 17:06	#55
BSzili Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hungary Posts: 332	It came out pretty decent. I used ham_convert by Sebastian Sieczko to convert a doctored image with the palette to EHB, down-sized it, and exported a lookup table. It was a mostly automated process, that's why the mouse cursor has weird colors. I would have fixed this before release by hand-tuning order of the colors in the palette.

20 February 2020, 17:49	#56
Solo Kazuki Registered User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Poland Posts: 972	So it's in two different palettes for AGA/RTG and ECS?

20 February 2020, 19:23	#59
BSzili Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Hungary Posts: 332	I guess, but then you might as well play the Windows version

20 February 2020, 22:37	#60
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 12,590	I do hope it comes out. Looks like there's an interesting back story about what's been going on. Hope you can tell it in full sometime. I love the politics of old game licenses. I've been trying to get ownership of the Thalion games copyright for 20 years. The owners bought it in 1995 and have done nothing with it since. Don't want to do anything with it in the future and don't want to talk about selling as it would cost too much in lawyer fees

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