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Ok my friends... now that I read what all you wrote I must admit I had a wrong/false information (since I was a teenager): I thought that all signal outputs from consoles/Spectrum/C64/Amiga lores modes/Dreamcast lores modes/Nintendo 64/etc. were interlaced.
Now I learned that, as you say, all those resolutions showing scan lines are the result of a progressive signal (e.g. 288p) being output from the console/microcomputer. I really didn't know . I have a question, though. Some years ago I recorded, with a common VHS Panasonic VCR, the output from an Amiga game (lores). And it was recorded fine (I don't remember if the scan lines were visible on the video registration too, though)! Some of you said that 288p signal cannot be broadcasted without being first converted to interlaced and suffer a quality loss, but this souldn't be true since I was perfectly able to record that game (using the A520 modulator)... Exactly . Also, am I right if I'm saying that Amiga interlaced (hires) modes flicker so badly not only because they really are - well - interlaced, but even because the Amiga is not fast enough to produce them at the correct PAL display rate? |
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Broadcast is a different story, the problem there is that most of the processors in the signal path do not accept noninterlaced signals.. The transmitter itself could probably broadcast 288p just fine, but all of the hardware in between is very fussy about getting standards compliant signals. Quote:
There were little hacks that blurred the graphics by adding some anti aliasing to the screen (and more bitplanes to your workbench) that alleviated the interlace flicker a lot at the cost of some speed and sharpness. Commodore also made (well Philips did ;-) a high persistence monitor (the 2080) for interlace use, where the flicker wasn't as bad, but all moving objects left a trail. Last edited by Jope; 21 July 2015 at 09:30. |
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Just buffer/interleave R/W - should be fine - 8ns access is way above 100MHz so with proper cycling You should be able to fit in this perfectly. And yes - output easily can be pixel doubling/quadrupling + max size is not full 1920 line period and as such you can use part of time for other thing (and mask with fixed color) - it will create some pilarbox but i believe this is unavoidable if you think about pixel perfect Amiga screen replication on modern 16:9 FHD TV's (pilarbox can be removed in TV when this mode will be selected and trough correct signaling and usually TV will provide better scaler than FPGA can have without going to expensive one, also you can use own timing but it is different case). Last edited by pandy71; 21 July 2015 at 16:35. |
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We're looking into NTSC support.
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However, there will be buttons that will allow horizontal shrinking/widening of the image. Messing with this should give you the correct aspect ratio, but might lower the quality due to scaling. We might think of dedicated emulate-4:3 mode... |
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Without good 4:3 mode it's like one of these: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/301579852663
e. Is something like this possible? native.png Last edited by ShK; 24 July 2015 at 10:24. |
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http://retrogaming.hazard-city.de/ Also, these kinds of boxes treats all input as interlaced, it means that Amiga 288p mode will have blurry movements Anybody have this Chinese box that could enlighten us with quality? Regards, StaringL Last edited by Staringlizard; 24 July 2015 at 20:21. |
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I have that scart to HDMI adapter, i love it, i feed it into my Sony Bravia Multiformat TV and it gives me a sharp picture, colours are not washed out and being multiformat is good for different screen modes
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I have it as well and though the still picture quality is decent, it suffers some deinterlacing artifacts (even with progressive input signals) and ghosting issues as well as significant latency, making it not so good for gaming where things are moving and quick reactions are required. I would really like to have a very direct SCART RGB to HDMI conversion without frame rate conversions (synced 50Hz->50Hz), one that knows the difference between progressive and interlaced modes and only does integer scaling (unless it is a very good scaler which is not commonly seen). Some nice looking scanline emulation would be a nice bonus.
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I can see the things that the user "demolition" is talking about. But still I think it is pretty good picture actually, they did a good job. I noticed that I looked at the wrong review/box at the retrogaming review site, the box you all are talking about did get a rather good review with the price tag in mind. When I designed AMIV I just wanted to do something by my self, basically I was bored. I did not even know these Chinese boxes existed until now I think AMIV has a different design and approach, it is not doing any magic stuff. It just plainly takes the pixels from Amiga and puts them on the screen, no lag, no interlacing(assuming non-interlaced input), no shadows, artifacts, de-interlacing etc. Using the new board the user can connect it to a computer and even fiddle around with individual registers in the converter chain. User can even change the Verilog code for the FPGA and flash it if they would like Regards, StaringL |
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AMIV 3.0 prototype:
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Looking good!
Can't wait till I can order one. |
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I want one but I have questions.
How much is it going to cost? Will there be audio inputs? Will it be required to plug directly into the back of the Amiga? |
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The final product price is not set yet. Stay tuned for updates.
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By audio-input I mean a short cable that goes from the stereo connectors on Amiga to AMIV so that you can get audio through the HDMI instead of needing separate speakers. And great to hear about it connecting via a short cable. |
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