Search Function is BROKEN in v3.5 - Page 2

StrategyGamer · 08 July 2005, 10:11

Hello
I have now made my fonts as small as they will go.
I can't see what I am typing now...
Here is my screenshot of the transparently nonvisible cloaked search option.

lopos2000 · 08 July 2005, 10:34

Font size here doesn't matter at all in Firefox. I tried it with the larges font settings and I could still use all the function in the 'Advance Search' option.

RCK · 08 July 2005, 14:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCK

Please clean you Firefox cache and retry,
"Natural" vs "Boolean" search is definively what you are looking for.

FireFox > Tools > Options > Private Life > Empty Cache button.

Have you done that ?

RCK · 17 July 2005, 04:01

EAB updated to 3.5b4 and Boolean rules restored.
@StrategyGamer: Is it working correctly now ?

StrategyGamer · 17 July 2005, 14:43

The boolean rules did not need to be restored. That was never the problem.
It is a search string problem.

No, the new version is not working.

In the old version if you searched for
"Total Chaos"
then it only returned matches that contained the string
Total Chaos
with 1 space between the Total and the Chaos, case insensitive.

But in the new version if you search for "Total Chaos"
It actually searches for and returns anything that has "total" and "chaos" anywhere in the message, case insensitive.

If I use quotes it is supposed to search for that exact string. Not deconstruct what I have typed and then search for anything having all the same individual words. I hope you are following me.

In the current version there is NO difference between using quotes and not using quotes in the search engine, which begs the question, why do I have a quote key on my keyboard?

I can write you some code in BASIC to show you how its done if you want me to.

RCK · 17 July 2005, 18:33

I understand correctly, and the solution of your problem is the boolean mode.
First, you have to understand that Quote are useless with Mysql FullText Search Engine.
When you want to lookup for all the words, "Natural Language" search type should be selected, and when you want to lookup the whole string, "Boolean" mode is the way.

Exemple:
- Go to search engine http://eab.abime.net/search.php
- Lookup for Total Chaos
- "Natural Language" option -> 931 results
- "Boolean" -> 22 results

My question is, since beta4, are you able to see the two search options ?

StrategyGamer · 19 July 2005, 09:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCK

I understand correctly, and the solution of your problem is the boolean mode.
First, you have to understand that Quote are useless with Mysql FullText Search Engine.

Apparently not true since it still forces me to use quotes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCK

when you want to lookup the whole string, "Boolean" mode is the way.

No. You must use boolean AND use quotes to do a normal string search.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCK

My question is, since beta4, are you able to see the two search options ?

When I upgraded FireFox 1.0 to 1.04 I began to see the boolean and natural language search options.

So I can now workaround the bug by doing the following procedure:
1. Do an advanced search even though I am not doing an advanced search.
2. Click on Boolean even though it doesn't say if it is a "boolean and" or a "boolean or".
3. Type my multiword string such as "Total Chaos AGA" in quotes.

Its a very user hostile way to do a simple string search. In the old EAB it was 1 step
1.Type my multiword string such as "Total Chaos AGA" in quotes.

In the new EAB "Natural Language" does not mean "Natural Language". It means "or" or "find everything with ANY of the words you type"

In the new EAB "Boolean" does not mean "Boolean". It means "and" or "find everything with ALL of the words you type"

So boolean search for Total Chaos AGA returns messages about
TOTAL Carnage AGA and Kid CHAOS
Since that message contains all 3 words.

Doing Advanced "boolean" search for "Total Chaos AGA" in quotes searches for the whole string as if it were one word, just like any search using quotes is supposed to do.

The current "Boolean" and "Natural Language" options are totally nonsensical and meaningless in this context in the English language.

You could switch them with each other and they would still be just as accurate as they are now.

"Boolean" should be replaced with "Find ALL of the words"
"Natural Language" should be replaced with "Find ANY of the words"

andreas · 07 August 2005, 18:06

Quote:

No. You must use boolean AND use quotes to do a normal string search.

He's right.
Search function hasn't ever been that broken.

BTW (only for personal interest): why wasn't it possible to leave the search option as in EAB 3, i. e. why had it to be changed at all?

Quote:

The current "Boolean" and "Natural Language" options are totally nonsensical and meaningless in this context in the English language.

True. They only confuse people instead of benefitting them.
Do only use them with thinking.

Quote:

"Boolean" should be replaced with "Find ALL of the words"
"Natural Language" should be replaced with "Find ANY of the words"

Or remove Natural Language entirely, as it doesn't work as expected.

RCK · 08 August 2005, 14:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by andreas

BTW (only for personal interest): why wasn't it possible to leave the search option as in EAB 3, i. e. why had it to be changed at all?

To drop EAB's database size to 50%

andreas · 09 August 2005, 07:39

I see!!

Mea culpa. Didn't know that the changes could be so drastically made happen ... but well, I can only agree to the statement that it steals the user's time if the stuff is not working, since it will force people to open identical threads because they have major difficulties in finding threads corresponding to search terms!

ALTHOUGH ... I think that you have other "worries" at the moment

So I think we all will require a lot of patience with you for the next weeks

RCK · 11 August 2005, 11:48

I hope MySQL and vB team will make this better with time

08 July 2005, 10:11	#21
StrategyGamer Total Chaos AGA is fun! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: USA Posts: 873	Hello I have now made my fonts as small as they will go. I can't see what I am typing now... Here is my screenshot of the transparently nonvisible cloaked search option. Attached Thumbnails

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08 July 2005, 10:34	#22
lopos2000 Zone Friend Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Cider is best In The West Posts: 1,238	Font size here doesn't matter at all in Firefox. I tried it with the larges font settings and I could still use all the function in the 'Advance Search' option.

17 July 2005, 04:01	#24
RCK Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris / France Age: 45 Posts: 3,087	EAB updated to 3.5b4 and Boolean rules restored. @StrategyGamer: Is it working correctly now ?

17 July 2005, 14:43	#25
StrategyGamer Total Chaos AGA is fun! Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: USA Posts: 873	The boolean rules did not need to be restored. That was never the problem. It is a search string problem. No, the new version is not working. In the old version if you searched for "Total Chaos" then it only returned matches that contained the string Total Chaos with 1 space between the Total and the Chaos, case insensitive. But in the new version if you search for "Total Chaos" It actually searches for and returns anything that has "total" and "chaos" anywhere in the message, case insensitive. If I use quotes it is supposed to search for that exact string. Not deconstruct what I have typed and then search for anything having all the same individual words. I hope you are following me. In the current version there is NO difference between using quotes and not using quotes in the search engine, which begs the question, why do I have a quote key on my keyboard? I can write you some code in BASIC to show you how its done if you want me to.

17 July 2005, 18:33	#26
RCK Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris / France Age: 45 Posts: 3,087	I understand correctly, and the solution of your problem is the boolean mode. First, you have to understand that Quote are useless with Mysql FullText Search Engine. When you want to lookup for all the words, "Natural Language" search type should be selected, and when you want to lookup the whole string, "Boolean" mode is the way. Exemple: - Go to search engine http://eab.abime.net/search.php - Lookup for Total Chaos - "Natural Language" option -> 931 results - "Boolean" -> 22 results My question is, since beta4, are you able to see the two search options ?

09 August 2005, 07:39	#30
andreas Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Germany Age: 50 Posts: 5,857	I see!! Mea culpa. Didn't know that the changes could be so drastically made happen ... but well, I can only agree to the statement that it steals the user's time if the stuff is not working, since it will force people to open identical threads because they have major difficulties in finding threads corresponding to search terms! ALTHOUGH ... I think that you have other "worries" at the moment So I think we all will require a lot of patience with you for the next weeks

11 August 2005, 11:48	#31
RCK Administrator Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Paris / France Age: 45 Posts: 3,087	I hope MySQL and vB team will make this better with time

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