dead cbm monitor(s)

meynaf · 14 December 2009, 16:19

My main CBM monitor died a few days ago. Only one which I can use now shows evident signs of its old age.
I doubt they can be fixed...

So, question is : where can I find a suitable monitor for my A1200, or an adapter to use those cheap PC monitors ? I want a PAL compatible display which shows acceptable quality. Perhaps an old TV is ok, but is there anything else usable nowadays ? Found something which looks like what I need (Indivision AGA 1200) on Amigakit, but it does not look easy to install for me (I don't want to open my A1200 because I'm not sure it'll still work after I close it again ; I'd certainly prefer an external adapter), and there appears to be no stocks of it left.

What should I do now, before my last dying 1083S goes forever ? (it already makes bad noise and flashes, but still displays something)

Jope · 14 December 2009, 16:32

Get a TFT TV and a scart cable.. That's probably the easiest combination.

Some of them also take the Amiga's picture in via the VGA port with just a simple d23->hd15 adapter.. These are the minority, however.

alexh · 14 December 2009, 17:05

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Originally Posted by meynaf

My main CBM monitor died a few days ago.

Which model was it?

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Originally Posted by meynaf

I doubt they can be fixed...

In the UK there are Television Repair people who will repair Amiga compatible monitors such as 1084s as they are practically identical internally to Philips 14" portable CRT televisions. Their industry has taken a beating recently as TV's have become a disposable commodity. Usually they no longer have shops but operate from home and can be found locally using the business telephone directory (Yellow Pages). Prices are reasonable and if they can diagnose & fix it also ask for a CAPS replacement at the same time your monitor will come back with a new lease of life.

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Originally Posted by meynaf

where can I find a suitable monitor for my A1200

Ebay. But they are probably no better condition than yours was before it broke.

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Originally Posted by meynaf

or an adapter to use those cheap PC monitors ? I want a PAL compatible display which shows acceptable quality. Perhaps an old TV is ok, but is there anything else usable nowadays

In the UK they sell 15" 4:3 LCDTV's in supermarkets for about £100 which are usually 100% Amiga compatible.

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Originally Posted by meynaf

What should I do now, before my last dying 1083S goes forever ? (it already makes bad noise and flashes, but still displays something)

Try and get it repaired.
Buy an old one from eBay.
Buy a new LCDTV from a local shop / supermarket.

fitzsteve · 14 December 2009, 17:46

I got a JVC 17" LCD TV (non HD) off ebay. Really please with it, great picture from my A1200 via RGB Scart. Paid £20 for it, bargain.

Steve.

alexh · 14 December 2009, 17:50

Just do not get a wide-screen one. Make sure it is 4:3

PowerPie5000 · 14 December 2009, 18:00

My Philips CM8833-II also died recently and i'm on the lookout for another Amiga compatible monitor (for my A500/A600)... or i could do what fitzsteve has done and buy a nice small (non-widescreen) TV with an RGB cable... but i will miss the screen adjust controls

cosmicfrog · 14 December 2009, 19:57

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Originally Posted by PowerPie5000;

but i will miss the screen adjust controls

?????

mine are on the remote control or do you just miss playing with knobs ??? hehehhe

PowerPie5000 · 15 December 2009, 01:02

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Originally Posted by cosmicfrog

?????

mine are on the remote control or do you just miss playing with knobs ??? hehehhe

I meant the vertical/horizontal screen adjustments! I've not seen this feature on normal TV's (but then again i've never checked either

).

meynaf · 17 December 2009, 10:08

Thanks for your answers.

Just to be more precise, I have 3 monitors, of which 2 are dead and one is dying :
- Atari SC1435 I used on the ST before I had my A1200 (works on it too) - shows no reaction at all, not even power led (I believe it's internal PSU)
- CBM 1083S-D1 - the dying one (it has Orion tube inside, not Philips as I supposed)
- CBM 1083S-P1 is the one which just gone out - shown psychedelic colors at the center as agony, and now shows nothing at all - that one came from Ebay, died 3 years after I got it. Internally it is different from my other 1083S !

Problem is that I need not only the screen, but also stereo sound. Cbm monitors sound better than cheap PC loudspeakers IMO.

Also I live in France, not UK. I believe TV repairmen would just tell me to buy some new one.

I could get a TV but I think I'll lose some quality. And I have Peritel cable, not Scart.

Jope · 17 December 2009, 10:40

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Originally Posted by meynaf

- CBM 1083S-D1 - the dying one (it has Orion tube inside, not Philips as I supposed)

The -D monitors were made by Daewoo, IIRC.

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- CBM 1083S-P1 is the one which just gone out - shown psychedelic colors at the center as agony, and now shows nothing at all - that one came from Ebay, died 3 years after I got it. Internally it is different from my other 1083S !

Sure, because this is a -P monitor, which is Philips.

rkauer · 17 December 2009, 19:56

If the problem is just the PSU it is easy to fix.

Most 1083/1084 just burn out the flyback transformer. I bet the 1083S-D1 just have this problem.

If you want to fix those, remember to take the opportunity and replace the electrolytic capacitors. Inexpensive and will give you some more years on the CRT's.

meynaf · 19 December 2009, 09:03

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Originally Posted by rkauer

If the problem is just the PSU it is easy to fix.

Depends for whom !

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Originally Posted by rkauer

Most 1083/1084 just burn out the flyback transformer. I bet the 1083S-D1 just have this problem.

The -D1 isn't burnt out completely for now. The one with dead PSU is the Atari monitor.
I don't know what to do with the flyback transformer, nor do I even know what it is exactly. I'm not sure I can do more than changing a fuse...

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Originally Posted by rkauer

If you want to fix those, remember to take the opportunity and replace the electrolytic capacitors. Inexpensive and will give you some more years on the CRT's.

I've got no soldering abilities to do that...

rkauer · 20 December 2009, 02:44

Amiga Centre (near Paris) can fix the monitor, but will cost you...

BTW: I visited your town: beautiful and with nice people.

Paris inhabitants have enough from tourists, I'm afraid.

meynaf · 21 December 2009, 11:01

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Originally Posted by rkauer

Amiga Centre (near Paris) can fix the monitor, but will cost you...

That's 500km away from me. Do they have a web site so I can learn more about them ?

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Originally Posted by rkauer

BTW: I visited your town: beautiful and with nice people.

Are you sure it was my town ?

You should've told me, we would have met then

(or perhaps it was long ago ?)

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Paris inhabitants have enough from tourists, I'm afraid.

I admit I don't like Paris much...

alexh · 21 December 2009, 12:40

http://www.amigacenter.com/HOME.html

I still think you could get a 1083s monitor repaired locally using a TV repair guy from your local business telephone directory.

Jope · 21 December 2009, 13:28

I agree with Alex. These aren't rocket science, and the TV repair guys probably saw many of these in the 90s, they might still remember exactly where to look.

meynaf · 21 December 2009, 14:40

I still have serious doubt, but I'll try anyway.

rkauer · 21 December 2009, 14:43

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Originally Posted by meynaf

Are you sure it was my town ?

You should've told me, we would have met then

(or perhaps it was long ago ?)

Was in 1997...

BTW: was the last time I gone in Europe.

alexh · 21 December 2009, 14:58

My local TV repair guy fixed the monitors in my Coin-ops

Edit: Although they probably need doing again after two years in a damp conservatory.

meynaf · 14 January 2010, 16:28

I tried 3 different TV repairmen and none could do a thing

Most of them don't even know that something existed before their PC, when they know something about computers at all.
One said spare parts can no longer be found, or are too costly.

The one who knew the most said he no longer repaired this kind of stuff...

Now I think I'll get an old TV

@alexh : you've got a real treasure in your area, for sure.

14 December 2009, 16:19	#1
meynaf son of 68k Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Lyon / France Age: 51 Posts: 5,323	dead cbm monitor(s) My main CBM monitor died a few days ago. Only one which I can use now shows evident signs of its old age. I doubt they can be fixed... So, question is : where can I find a suitable monitor for my A1200, or an adapter to use those cheap PC monitors ? I want a PAL compatible display which shows acceptable quality. Perhaps an old TV is ok, but is there anything else usable nowadays ? Found something which looks like what I need (Indivision AGA 1200) on Amigakit, but it does not look easy to install for me (I don't want to open my A1200 because I'm not sure it'll still work after I close it again ; I'd certainly prefer an external adapter), and there appears to be no stocks of it left. What should I do now, before my last dying 1083S goes forever ? (it already makes bad noise and flashes, but still displays something)

21 December 2009, 14:58	#19
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	My local TV repair guy fixed the monitors in my Coin-ops Edit: Although they probably need doing again after two years in a damp conservatory. Last edited by alexh; 21 December 2009 at 15:15.

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14 December 2009, 16:32	#2
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	Get a TFT TV and a scart cable.. That's probably the easiest combination. Some of them also take the Amiga's picture in via the VGA port with just a simple d23->hd15 adapter.. These are the minority, however.

14 December 2009, 17:46	#4
fitzsteve Professional slacker! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kent, UK Age: 44 Posts: 6,683	I got a JVC 17" LCD TV (non HD) off ebay. Really please with it, great picture from my A1200 via RGB Scart. Paid £20 for it, bargain. Steve.

14 December 2009, 17:50	#5
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	Just do not get a wide-screen one. Make sure it is 4:3

14 December 2009, 18:00	#6
PowerPie5000 Miggy Ate My Hamster! Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Lancashire, UK Posts: 1,566	My Philips CM8833-II also died recently and i'm on the lookout for another Amiga compatible monitor (for my A500/A600)... or i could do what fitzsteve has done and buy a nice small (non-widescreen) TV with an RGB cable... but i will miss the screen adjust controls

17 December 2009, 10:08	#9
meynaf son of 68k Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Lyon / France Age: 51 Posts: 5,323	Thanks for your answers. Just to be more precise, I have 3 monitors, of which 2 are dead and one is dying : - Atari SC1435 I used on the ST before I had my A1200 (works on it too) - shows no reaction at all, not even power led (I believe it's internal PSU) - CBM 1083S-D1 - the dying one (it has Orion tube inside, not Philips as I supposed) - CBM 1083S-P1 is the one which just gone out - shown psychedelic colors at the center as agony, and now shows nothing at all - that one came from Ebay, died 3 years after I got it. Internally it is different from my other 1083S ! Problem is that I need not only the screen, but also stereo sound. Cbm monitors sound better than cheap PC loudspeakers IMO. Also I live in France, not UK. I believe TV repairmen would just tell me to buy some new one. I could get a TV but I think I'll lose some quality. And I have Peritel cable, not Scart.

17 December 2009, 19:56	#11
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	If the problem is just the PSU it is easy to fix. Most 1083/1084 just burn out the flyback transformer. I bet the 1083S-D1 just have this problem. If you want to fix those, remember to take the opportunity and replace the electrolytic capacitors. Inexpensive and will give you some more years on the CRT's.

20 December 2009, 02:44	#13
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	Amiga Centre (near Paris) can fix the monitor, but will cost you... BTW: I visited your town: beautiful and with nice people. Paris inhabitants have enough from tourists, I'm afraid.

21 December 2009, 12:40	#15
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	http://www.amigacenter.com/HOME.html I still think you could get a 1083s monitor repaired locally using a TV repair guy from your local business telephone directory.

21 December 2009, 13:28	#16
Jope - Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Helsinki / Finland Age: 43 Posts: 9,861	I agree with Alex. These aren't rocket science, and the TV repair guys probably saw many of these in the 90s, they might still remember exactly where to look.

21 December 2009, 14:40	#17
meynaf son of 68k Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Lyon / France Age: 51 Posts: 5,323	I still have serious doubt, but I'll try anyway.

14 January 2010, 16:28	#20
meynaf son of 68k Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Lyon / France Age: 51 Posts: 5,323	I tried 3 different TV repairmen and none could do a thing Most of them don't even know that something existed before their PC, when they know something about computers at all. One said spare parts can no longer be found, or are too costly. The one who knew the most said he no longer repaired this kind of stuff... Now I think I'll get an old TV @alexh : you've got a real treasure in your area, for sure.

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