19 December 2009, 09:48 | #361 | |
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Hi Samurai_Crow, et al.
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The 2 TSOP "ISSI" chips on the '060 board are RAMS of some kind. Bit hard to tell on the baseboard (due to lores pics) but a couple of the BGA chips look like rams of some kind. Makes sense for the baseboard to present a 14MHz (or 28 perhaps) synchronous bus, in the same way the 1200 does. CPU card synchronises as required, but runs it's own ram at whatever speed it likes. Same as virtually every accellerator card already out there for the Amiga (A3630/3640 two exceptions that come to mind). ---- Looking at the baseboard: Pluses: DVI/PCI ports are good. ATA power connector. PS/2 ports. Minuses: The IDE and Floppy ports on the baseboard are of dubious value, both ageing technology. SATA would have been much preferrable. No USB ports (that I can see?) Major negative... No flames thanks, just my personal opionions... Cheers, Red Last edited by RedskullDC; 20 December 2009 at 01:19. Reason: factual errors |
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19 December 2009, 15:18 | #362 |
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Read in the hardware section......so I think its also a plus!
http://www.natami.net/hardware.htm evaluation Baseboard * first board developed as NatAmi base and ONLY as NatAmi * evaluation board to verify hardware and peripheral design concepts * a short overview * this board features the evaluation of: o serial port, parallel port, ps/2 keyboard, ps/2 mouse, floppy disk, joystick ports o 31kHz video out, 15kHz video out, 15kHz video in o audio in, audio out o SyncZorro, PCI, 2.5" IDE, 3.5" IDE o simple (1.1) USB o 128MB chip ram (max), 128MB fast ram (max) lost |
19 December 2009, 16:33 | #363 | |
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Also, another goal of the Natami is to have a version of the core to work without any CPU daugterboard plugged in. That is their idea of cost-cutting, I think, which is why they have a CPLD as well as an FPGA on the baseboard. That's why they are working on the 68050 core to clock at an estimated 133 MHz. BTW, the sync-zorro slot probably will clock a bit faster than 14MHz. I don't know what bus-speed they're looking at but to support a 200 MHz FPGA and an overclocked 99 MHz '060 CPU daughterboard they're going to need a faster bus speed. Their aim is for capability rather than backward compatibility. Cheers, --Sam |
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28 December 2009, 23:53 | #364 |
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What I would really like, and forgive me if this has nothing to do with Natami, is something that is essentially the graphics/audio improvement that Natami has, with backwards compatibility with all Amiga games (AGA,OCS, Wipeout PPC game) AND can run OS4.1 at speeds of approx PPC 604 @ 800mhz or so with 1gb of RAM.
This would be my ideal machine, simply because OS4 begs to be used as even today it is still superior to Win7 and OS X on Mac. 10s shutdown and reboot to full desktop and no hd thrashing/continued stealth loading of OS is impressive. As is installing things to a RAM drive which leave zero impact to your machine after reboot...javascript virus/trojan protection anyone? |
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Sometimes we tend to lose sight of the fact that an operating system is a *utility* - merely a means of lauching _real_ apps and doing routine "housekeeping", nothing more. There are various bells and whistles designed to make things load faster, look prettier, etc., but in the end, all that matters to me is the breadth and depth of the available software library...and like BeOS (which I considered architecturally vastly superior to Windows 95/98), the sad truth is that OS4 has no apps to speak of (certainly no "killer app") and will never have enough market penetration for anyone outside of niche hobbyist programmers and the independently wealthy to develop for. It really is awesome that OS4 can be rebooted in ten seconds. Trouble is, once having done so...what then? See my point? Rodney |
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30 December 2009, 22:52 | #366 |
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Great comment, Rodney. But don't post it in AOS4 forums.
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31 December 2009, 00:10 | #367 |
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who has entered in the tag 'summer 8002'. I will send a ship in a bottle to my family then and ask them to post in here what the hell happened!
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31 December 2009, 00:13 | #368 | |
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31 December 2009, 15:52 | #370 | |
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But the definition of "basic tools" has changed. Nowadays, a solid office suite, a modern browser, and drivers for common hardware (video, sound, printers, cameras, etc.) is a must. Oddly enough, these have been poorly represented in the Amiga world. It's a shame, really. I think an Amiga with a decent office suite (maybe a port of the newest Koffice or Open Office?) and a competent browser (current offerings are lacking) preconfigured out of the box and at a reasonable price would sell. As a very, very small niche market, but you don't have to have a huge slice of the pie to make money- it's a big pie. |
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Surf the web Watch movie files Listen to music Talk to others (MSN etc) Photo related tasks Go in chat rooms etc etc. So whilst the OS IS a tool, Windows is made by tools I can't abide any kind of bad programming, and an OS on a machine with 2gb that chugs on virtual memory and randomly crashes is pathetic 25 years after the work of Dr Tim King. The only other thing PCs do is gaming, and anyone with half a brain will own a 360 or PS3 for 1080p gaming already As a tool OS4.1 IS superior to Windows...do I care that I need a Win XP laptop with a real GPU to play Battlefield 2? Not really....I'm willing to sacrifice (try running 2005 copy of Battlefield on a new integrated intel graphics laptop with 3gb of ram and Core2duo and see how far you get) |
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02 January 2010, 17:45 | #372 | |
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This time is the first time since the 80s of multi home computer standards where you can use anything to get through the day and it can address the needs of 95% of the world's computer users. Windows is dead...it just didn't realise that codecs and flash/java killed it silently while it was counting its profits and made any OS redundant. OS4 does all those activities I mentioned, perhaps Rodney's surname is Trotter edit: WHDload isn't important to me @ whoever said that, a bonus but not essential. I never had HD installed games like 99% of Amiga owners worldwide so I'm not missing anything technically. Last edited by ImmortalA1000; 02 January 2010 at 17:47. Reason: whdl |
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02 January 2010, 19:58 | #373 |
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Name 10 great AOS4 programmes for the daily PC work, which are better than their Windows, Linux or MacOS counterparts.
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02 January 2010, 20:18 | #374 |
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1) OS 4 2) OS 4 3) OS 4 4) OS 4 5) OS 4 6) OS 4 7) OS 4 8) OS 4 9) OS 4 10) OS 4 Thats about it. As I've said before, I can't see the point. Especially as the majority of "Amiga" users have a win/mac/ linux box to do productivity on. Even if I had a PPC card for my A1200 I would probably stick with OS 3.9 due to the availability of useable software. |
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02 January 2010, 20:41 | #376 | |
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Then the user's decisions would be based on the quality of the OS, and not the codebase. (EDIT: Same applies to OS4, of course.) |
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03 January 2010, 11:26 | #377 | |
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Decent browser? Photo editor? Word Processor? Spreadsheet? Game? HD Media Player? You seem to be rather of the fan-boi ilk. I love my Amigas as much as most here but you've got to be realistic. I even tried AROS and its fine as an OS but have you looked at the browser? All you'll do is boot it and reminisce (sp!?) but for real world use it will be OSX/Windows/Linux for 99.99% of us... Its sad but true.. And Natami (coming back to topic) won't be a daily machine for most. Thats if it meets that Summer 2008 date Now the i |
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As for my PPC on an A1200 - I meant that if I had a PPC cardI'd run AOS 3.9 for compatibility with the "classic" Amiga apps/utils/games. Nostalgia if you will - as that is the reason I got the machine in the first place. Whats the point of a new OS that wont run any of the old stuff ? Of course I will probably get flamed for it, but I hope you see now that I'm certainly no fanboi. I do love my Amiga, and I beleive that new hardware is a good thing but there is really no "platform" beyond OS 3x..... I really cannot see the point of having an orphaned OS with no backward compatibility and no development beyond the "hobbyist" community - its just a cynical cash in by Hyperion (or whoever owns it) and X hardware company looking to flog 5 year old (or older) PC/Mac bits as a "new Amiga". Of course there will be some people who will buy into it - good for them, but sadly I think their loyalty is misplaced. If it were possible to run OS4 on x86 hardware, then I might be interested (and no I don't mean emulation) - its cheaper to buy than some new fangled exclusive "Amiga" Motherboard. *sigh* Andrew |
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