Video Player

Sim085 · 09 March 2019, 15:18

I am looking for a video player for Amiga Workbench 3.1. As always first thing I've went to Aminet. I found MPEGPlayer, Frogger and FFPlayer. I manage to get MPEGPlayer and Frogger to work, however FFPlayer seem to need a graphics card which I don't have on real hardware.

I was wondering, are there more video players?

AMIGASYSTEM · 09 March 2019, 15:39

In the 90s on my old A4000 OS 3.9 many years ago i used "Mavi (Movieplayer), see screnshot, there should also be CyberAVI, CyberQT, QT and TapAVI, to check if they are compatible with OS 3.1

AMIGASYSTEM · 09 March 2019, 16:53

Did a little testing, Mavi (Movieplayer) and TapAVI work on OS 3.1 but need a graphics card

CyberAVI work on OS 3.1 also without graphics card

Sim085 · 09 March 2019, 17:50

Thanks AMIGASYSTEM, Will try CyberAV.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

Did a little testing, Mavi (Movieplayer) and TapAVI work on OS 3.1 but need a graphics card

CyberAVI work on OS 3.1 also without graphics card

Sim085 · 09 March 2019, 18:50

Did manage to get it installed but for any avi I try to play it says Unknown Video encoding. In the readme it says motion jpeg, tried to convert a video to mjpeg, renamed to avi but then I get object not expected format error.

Do I need to install some data types for it to work?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sim085

Thanks AMIGASYSTEM, Will try CyberAV.

ExiE · 09 March 2019, 20:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sim085

Did manage to get it installed but for any avi I try to play it says Unknown Video encoding. In the readme it says motion jpeg, tried to convert a video to mjpeg, renamed to avi but then I get object not expected format error.

Do I need to install some data types for it to work?

It would not help. AVI is just a container for storing digital video and audio data. Amiga players probably support just few (older) formats.
Try to look for AVI files with MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 encoded video.

Sim085 · 09 March 2019, 21:34

Ok, I think I need some crash course on video encoding because all my attempts at getting an avi video playing are failing.

Long story short, I went to this website and uploaded an mpg movie to convert to mpeg-2 (mp2). The file extensions of the transformed file is .mp2. Tried to open with CyberAVI but just get the requestor window again

I tried renaming to .avi but still same thing.

Is there a tool which converts to format valid for the amiga?
Also, are some formats better for the amiga than others?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExiE

It would not help. AVI is just a container for storing digital video and audio data. Amiga players probably support just few (older) formats.
Try to look for AVI files with MPEG-1 or MPEG-2 encoded video.

Nobby_UK · 09 March 2019, 21:41

Riva for MPG

I also used to use AVId Demo (Silent + Greyscale)

AVI containing CinePak with PCM Auido

Sample Attached

ExiE · 09 March 2019, 22:17

CyberAVI 1.9 readme

Supported VIDEO encodings
Radius CinePak (CVID) 8/24/32 bit (8 bit is gray-only)
Microsoft Video 1 (MSVC) 8/16 bit
Microsoft RGB (RGB) 4/8/16/24/32 bit
Microsoft RLE8 (RLE8) 8 bit
IBM Ultimotion (ULTI) 16 bit
Component Video (YUV2) 16/24/32 bit
Intel Raw (YUV9) 16/24/32 bit

Supported AUDIO
PCM 8 bit Mono/Stereo
PCM 16 bit Mono/Stereo
MS ADPCM 4 bit Mono
DVI ADPCM 4 bit Mono

You just can't rename .mp2 or .mp4 to .avi and think it will work.
You need real .avi file using one of these encodings above. But as I wrote before, these codecs are obsolete today and hard to find...

Sim085 · 11 March 2019, 20:52

I installed Riva which does work but the moment I put mpega.library it stops working.

Anyways I am starting to think I have been addressing video playing on the amiga the wrong way. I understand that some formats require less processing to play than others. I saw how some play ham8 videos. From what I understand a video is converted to ham8 to be played on the amiga. What are the ups and downs of that?

savior · 11 March 2019, 23:10

minimun requirement for riva is 040 processor, and it's writing on assembly

savior · 12 March 2019, 11:20

avi not compressed for 20 min of video make a very big file min 2 gb, the best solution for classic amiga is mpg1 and riva is best program

AMIGASYSTEM · 12 March 2019, 11:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by savior

avi not compressed for 20 min of video make a very big file min 2 gb, the best solution for classic amiga is mpg1 and riva is best program

Riva has incompatibility with a multitude of existing video containers that are practically unusable without a proper compatible conversion.

The best Video Player on OS3 is FFPlay, where it can show files at various video resolutions of excellent quality Audio Video, FFPlay is very fast and supports all these formats:
AVI|ASF|DIVX|FLI|FLV|M4A|M4V|MKV|MOV|MP4|MPEG|MPG|OGV|QT|RAM|RM|VOB|WMV|MP4|

FFPlay can be used by the operating system where you can associate any Video File, or set it on the NetSurf Browser to comfortably watch Youtube videos and not only on our Workbench.

Small Test Video on FFPlay:
[ Show youtube player ]

savior · 12 March 2019, 12:56

in my sistem riva is perfect, ffplay is very slow and do not interesting to view other format, considering who many people use classic system

dodke · 12 March 2019, 13:08

You could try CyberQT with video files from really old websites like the Space Jam (film) site:
https://www.spacejam.com/archive/spa...lerframes.html

savior · 12 March 2019, 13:47

arty netsurf have a fuction for convert on the fly the video file on mpeg format

AMIGASYSTEM · 12 March 2019, 14:51

Convert and run videos to MP4 or 3GP, see screnshot, at the moment the online service is not working.

AC/DC HACKER! · 29 July 2019, 03:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMIGASYSTEM

Riva has incompatibility with a multitude of existing video containers that are practically unusable without a proper compatible conversion.

The best Video Player on OS3 is FFPlay, where it can show files at various video resolutions of excellent quality Audio Video, FFPlay is very fast and supports all these formats:
AVI|ASF|DIVX|FLI|FLV|M4A|M4V|MKV|MOV|MP4|MPEG|MPG|OGV|QT|RAM|RM|VOB|WMV|MP4|

FFPlay can be used by the operating system where you can associate any Video File, or set it on the NetSurf Browser to comfortably watch Youtube videos and not only on our Workbench.

Small Test Video on FFPlay:
[ Show youtube player ]

Using real hardware such as my A4000, FFPlay060 is pretty good IF the container has supported CoDecs. AVI containers play well with it, but MPEGs don't. I have several older MPEGs or MPGs that play very slowly with it. I suggest Frogger.WOS...that plays them very well...if you have a CyberStormPPC.

FFPlay..does very well if you use WinUAE and JIT. Currently, I'm using WinUAE 4.2.1. PB 5..in conjunction with real hardware. FFPlay should also do very well with AmigaOne.

SKOLMAN_MWS · 29 July 2019, 07:14

http://www.amidog.se/amiga/bin/WIP/AMP2-BETA-040716.lha

AMIGASYSTEM · 29 July 2019, 08:38

Amp2 does not work on OS 3 68k, requires PowerPC board
Amp2 like RIVA and Frogger can only show MPG formats, surely Frogger is the fastest of all including FFPlay,

FFPlay remains however the only choice for the compatibility of all common video and Audio formats, allows you to show videos in Window or Full Screen, run Audio files like WMA in Window.

09 March 2019, 15:18	#1
Sim085 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 962	Video Player I am looking for a video player for Amiga Workbench 3.1. As always first thing I've went to Aminet. I found MPEGPlayer, Frogger and FFPlayer. I manage to get MPEGPlayer and Frogger to work, however FFPlayer seem to need a graphics card which I don't have on real hardware. I was wondering, are there more video players?

09 March 2019, 15:39	#2
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,248	In the 90s on my old A4000 OS 3.9 many years ago i used "Mavi (Movieplayer), see screnshot, there should also be CyberAVI, CyberQT, QT and TapAVI, to check if they are compatible with OS 3.1 Last edited by AMIGASYSTEM; 09 March 2019 at 15:46.

09 March 2019, 21:41	#8
Nobby_UK Registered User Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Liverpool Posts: 2,595	Riva for MPG I also used to use AVId Demo (Silent + Greyscale) AVI containing CinePak with PCM Auido Sample Attached Last edited by Nobby_UK; 22 November 2021 at 19:01.

12 March 2019, 14:51	#17
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,248	Convert and run videos to MP4 or 3GP, see screnshot, at the moment the online service is not working. Last edited by AMIGASYSTEM; 15 March 2019 at 22:13.

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09 March 2019, 16:53	#3
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,248	Did a little testing, Mavi (Movieplayer) and TapAVI work on OS 3.1 but need a graphics card CyberAVI work on OS 3.1 also without graphics card

09 March 2019, 22:17	#9
ExiE Registered User Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: T/C Posts: 199	CyberAVI 1.9 readme Supported VIDEO encodings Radius CinePak (CVID) 8/24/32 bit (8 bit is gray-only) Microsoft Video 1 (MSVC) 8/16 bit Microsoft RGB (RGB) 4/8/16/24/32 bit Microsoft RLE8 (RLE8) 8 bit IBM Ultimotion (ULTI) 16 bit Component Video (YUV2) 16/24/32 bit Intel Raw (YUV9) 16/24/32 bit Supported AUDIO PCM 8 bit Mono/Stereo PCM 16 bit Mono/Stereo MS ADPCM 4 bit Mono DVI ADPCM 4 bit Mono You just can't rename .mp2 or .mp4 to .avi and think it will work. You need real .avi file using one of these encodings above. But as I wrote before, these codecs are obsolete today and hard to find...

11 March 2019, 20:52	#10
Sim085 Registered User Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 962	I installed Riva which does work but the moment I put mpega.library it stops working. Anyways I am starting to think I have been addressing video playing on the amiga the wrong way. I understand that some formats require less processing to play than others. I saw how some play ham8 videos. From what I understand a video is converted to ham8 to be played on the amiga. What are the ups and downs of that?

11 March 2019, 23:10	#11
savior Registered User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Italy Age: 44 Posts: 70	minimun requirement for riva is 040 processor, and it's writing on assembly

12 March 2019, 11:20	#12
savior Registered User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Italy Age: 44 Posts: 70	avi not compressed for 20 min of video make a very big file min 2 gb, the best solution for classic amiga is mpg1 and riva is best program

12 March 2019, 12:56	#14
savior Registered User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Italy Age: 44 Posts: 70	in my sistem riva is perfect, ffplay is very slow and do not interesting to view other format, considering who many people use classic system

12 March 2019, 13:08	#15
dodke Registered User Join Date: Feb 2018 Location: London / UK Posts: 112	You could try CyberQT with video files from really old websites like the Space Jam (film) site: https://www.spacejam.com/archive/spa...lerframes.html

12 March 2019, 13:47	#16
savior Registered User Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Italy Age: 44 Posts: 70	arty netsurf have a fuction for convert on the fly the video file on mpeg format

29 July 2019, 07:14	#19
SKOLMAN_MWS Registered User Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Poland Posts: 168	http://www.amidog.se/amiga/bin/WIP/AMP2-BETA-040716.lha

29 July 2019, 08:38	#20
AMIGASYSTEM Registered User Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Brindisi (Italy) Age: 70 Posts: 8,248	Amp2 does not work on OS 3 68k, requires PowerPC board Amp2 like RIVA and Frogger can only show MPG formats, surely Frogger is the fastest of all including FFPlay, FFPlay remains however the only choice for the compatibility of all common video and Audio formats, allows you to show videos in Window or Full Screen, run Audio files like WMA in Window.

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