amiga games and stereoscopic display

turrican3 · 14 May 2014, 05:33

Hi guys,
is there a good way to play amiga games with 3d glasses ?
Which monitor do i need ??? Or which graphical card ???
Please give me advice... And if someone tried already give me your feeling please.

mc6809e · 14 May 2014, 07:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by turrican3

Hi guys,
is there a good way to play amiga games with 3d glasses ?
Which monitor do i need ??? Or which graphical card ???
Please give me advice... And if someone tried already give me your feeling please.

There were 3d glasses for the Amiga back in the 80's.

They were simple LCD shutter type glasses called "X-specs".

Worked with a regular CRT or TV.

Toni Wilen · 14 May 2014, 08:45

Red/green 3d does not need any extra hardware

s2325 · 14 May 2014, 09:57

Amiga have few games and demos for red/green glasses.

Supamax · 15 May 2014, 00:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by mc6809e

There were 3d glasses for the Amiga back in the 80's.

They were simple LCD shutter type glasses called "X-specs".

Worked with a regular CRT or TV.

REALLY?
LCD shutter type glasses on Amiga?

Not simple RED/CYAN etc. glasses?

Vot · 15 May 2014, 01:01

Air support i think it is uses the 3d glasses

Michael Sykes · 15 May 2014, 12:31

The only thing I remember are these:amigahistory->virtualio

Only Gloom Deluxe and the Nemac IV Director's Cut CD support it.

The only game that I could find, that used anaglyph glasses, was "Wanderer 3D".

I used a pair of borrowed shutterglasses back in the late 90s with a 60Hz monitor on a PC.
I can tell you from that "experience" that it was no fun to watch a lowres picture flicker like hell at 30FPS!!!
Don't expect to much from the Amigas PAL/NTSC output.Maybe a gfx-card at 100Hz could change that but than you need a 3D chip onboard and a really fast CPU to get steady 100FPS,too.

jimbob · 15 May 2014, 13:25

I found a set of red/blue 3D specs the other day in a big book about Mars. Is there a list of games/demos that use this type of 3D effect. I've seen a couple of demos that look like they did but I can't remember which ones.

robinsonb5 · 15 May 2014, 14:07

Spaceballs State of the Art has a brief section for 3D glasses - flips between red/green and red/blue if memory serves.

Michael Sykes · 15 May 2014, 23:06

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Originally Posted by jimbob

... Is there a list of games/demos that use this type of 3D effect...

Just ask goole: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ic_video_games

Not so many Amiga games in that list...

s2325 · 15 May 2014, 23:17

Missing are KIN http://hol.abime.net/4514 SpaceSpuds http://hol.abime.net/4565 3D-Motorrad http://hol.abime.net/5175

turrican3 · 16 May 2014, 09:59

i just thought about this http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...=nvidia+winuae
is there any way to make 3d vision works with winuae ??
Is there somebody who succeed ?

Michael Sykes · 16 May 2014, 11:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by s2325

Missing are KIN http://hol.abime.net/4514 SpaceSpuds http://hol.abime.net/4565 3D-Motorrad http://hol.abime.net/5175

You know that anyone can edit Wikipedea.
No need to register....

s2325 · 16 May 2014, 11:48

English is not my native language.

Michael Sykes · 16 May 2014, 12:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by turrican3

i just thought about this http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...=nvidia+winuae
is there any way to make 3d vision works with winuae ??
Is there somebody who succeed ?

As cool as 3D support in WinUAE would be,I don't think Toni will get his hands dirty for only a few games.
But who knows...
I would like to play NEMAC IV in 3D.

If I had to chose between 3D and other features I would vote for stuff like better tablet support for example.

Michael Sykes · 16 May 2014, 12:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by s2325

English is not my native language.

Is that really a problem.I use to speak german most of the time....

But I might give it a try anyway.Maybe this weekend.
I mean it is just editing a simple chart.

EDIT: SpaceSpuds is in the Article now.... ^^

s2325 · 16 May 2014, 12:10

There was screenshot from Lionheart modified for red-green glasses http://www.deviantart.com/art/Lionhe...H-3D-167661112

Toni Wilen · 16 May 2014, 12:40

Not worth the trouble. "Real" 3D output would require:

D3D 11 support, previous versions didn't have stereoscopic 3D support. 3rd party programs that create 3D output from older D3D (or OpenGL) won't work because emulator output is in 2D, there is no actual 3d objects that can be "easily" converted to stereoscopic 3D.

It would also practically require extra vsync mode to sync emulator output to correct display output channel.

jimbob · 16 May 2014, 20:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by s2325

There was screenshot from Lionheart modified for red-green glasses http://www.deviantart.com/art/Lionhe...H-3D-167661112

That actually looks great with the glasses, would be cool to see it all in motion. If that was done photoshopomatically I guess you could process all the frames of an emulator output capture to see it.

Spaceballs cube didn't seem very effective to me, will have a look at those other games, but my glasses don't have legs.

Supamax · 17 May 2014, 02:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Sykes

Just ask goole: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ic_video_games

Not so many Amiga games in that list...

That list is incomplete: I see that Wanderer 3D is for "Amiga, Atari ST".
They forgot to add "Sinclair QL": it also had Wanderer 3D.
Someone should correct that... (I don't know how to do it

)

Quote:

Originally Posted by s2325

There was screenshot from Lionheart modified for red-green glasses http://www.deviantart.com/art/Lionhe...H-3D-167661112

WOW!
Is that a single edited screenshot, or does exist a custom anaglyph version of Lionheart?

14 May 2014, 05:33	#1
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	amiga games and stereoscopic display Hi guys, is there a good way to play amiga games with 3d glasses ? Which monitor do i need ??? Or which graphical card ??? Please give me advice... And if someone tried already give me your feeling please.

15 May 2014, 12:31	#7
Michael Sykes WinUAE end user Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Bremen Age: 44 Posts: 649	The only thing I remember are these:amigahistory->virtualio Only Gloom Deluxe and the Nemac IV Director's Cut CD support it. The only game that I could find, that used anaglyph glasses, was "Wanderer 3D". I used a pair of borrowed shutterglasses back in the late 90s with a 60Hz monitor on a PC. I can tell you from that "experience" that it was no fun to watch a lowres picture flicker like hell at 30FPS!!! Don't expect to much from the Amigas PAL/NTSC output.Maybe a gfx-card at 100Hz could change that but than you need a 3D chip onboard and a really fast CPU to get steady 100FPS,too. Last edited by Michael Sykes; 15 May 2014 at 12:39.

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14 May 2014, 08:45	#3
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,518	Red/green 3d does not need any extra hardware

14 May 2014, 09:57	#4
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Amiga have few games and demos for red/green glasses.

15 May 2014, 01:01	#6
Vot Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Australia Posts: 651	Air support i think it is uses the 3d glasses

15 May 2014, 13:25	#8
jimbob Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: Kilmacolm Age: 46 Posts: 632	I found a set of red/blue 3D specs the other day in a big book about Mars. Is there a list of games/demos that use this type of 3D effect. I've seen a couple of demos that look like they did but I can't remember which ones.

15 May 2014, 14:07	#9
robinsonb5 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Norfolk, UK Posts: 1,154	Spaceballs State of the Art has a brief section for 3D glasses - flips between red/green and red/blue if memory serves.

15 May 2014, 23:17	#11
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Missing are KIN http://hol.abime.net/4514 SpaceSpuds http://hol.abime.net/4565 3D-Motorrad http://hol.abime.net/5175

16 May 2014, 09:59	#12
turrican3 Moon 1969 = amiga 1985 Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: belgium Age: 48 Posts: 3,913	i just thought about this http://eab.abime.net/showthread.php?...=nvidia+winuae is there any way to make 3d vision works with winuae ?? Is there somebody who succeed ?

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s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	English is not my native language.

16 May 2014, 12:10	#17
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	There was screenshot from Lionheart modified for red-green glasses http://www.deviantart.com/art/Lionhe...H-3D-167661112

16 May 2014, 12:40	#18
Toni Wilen WinUAE developer Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hämeenlinna/Finland Age: 49 Posts: 26,518	Not worth the trouble. "Real" 3D output would require: D3D 11 support, previous versions didn't have stereoscopic 3D support. 3rd party programs that create 3D output from older D3D (or OpenGL) won't work because emulator output is in 2D, there is no actual 3d objects that can be "easily" converted to stereoscopic 3D. It would also practically require extra vsync mode to sync emulator output to correct display output channel.

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