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Old 20 September 2019, 19:46   #41
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If you bought it back then yes you would of been happy because it was the best port at the time, once you saw the Snes version later you would notice the cracks.
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Old 20 September 2019, 21:55   #42
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Snes wasn't great too (no 2p, less colors ), but better than the Amiga.

PS It's weird every now and then someone writes about final fight
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Old 21 September 2019, 00:00   #43
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Final Fight, Outrun, Street Fighter, Black Tiger, Strider, Rolling Thunder, Double Dragon and Ghouls and Ghosts plus others are in my opinion considered "unfinished business" by the Amigans like me that also loved the games in the arcade, some sort of insult to the platform: is personal!
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Old 21 September 2019, 02:51   #44
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Yep I will happily state right now as someone who paid over £20 for the original back in the day, Final Fight on the Amiga was a let down, yes it managed to capture some of the arcade likeness such as the pics and text but the game It'self is unenjoyment crud,...there I've said it,...the game is CRUD!
81 shit rating is a pretty fair score in this case.
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Old 21 September 2019, 12:41   #45
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On this one I am with Gimbal, at the time many games I could label 'shitty' today were 'fine' for me back in the day.
It HUGELY depends on if you played Final Fight on arcade before, or not.
If you played it (and loved it), FF on the Amiga had NOTHING in common with that gameplay. The biggest issue for me is lacking a grab move (where you grab your opponent and throw it to the other opponents). And there are a lots of other issues.

However, people that were kids at the time, and haven't played FF on arcade, could basically accept this game as a "passable" beat em up. If you accept that mechanic is more like Double Dragon mechanic, and you use flying kick 90% of the time, it could be Ok, I guess.

We have to give Richard Aplin big credit for the game is running on UNEXPANDED Amiga 500 with only 512kb.
However, he didn't liked and played original FF (he said that in some interview), and the lack of proper game mechanic, I guess, that's the reason. If he would like it, I guess, he could have made gameplay much better and closer to FF.

All in all, I am in the legions of Amiga users, that are desperate because there's no single good beat em up on the Amiga (with exception on average Golden Axe), but my souls is now in piece, because of announcement of Metro Siege, that looks like a proper Capcom style beat em up game.
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Old 21 September 2019, 15:04   #46
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Well, I grew up with Arcades and was still happy with Final Fight. The flaws were obvious back then of course. But I still found it playable, I had fun with it. Same with Strider or StreetFighter2. All those game were not great but passable for me.
Major letdowns were Outrun and Shinobi for example. Those are a mess.
DoubleDragon2 and ShadowDancer were/are awesome conversions in my opinion.
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Old 21 September 2019, 15:06   #47
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I think back in the day if you had played Final Fight on the Amiga, and never played the arcade version (or any other version for that matter) then it might have been decent. The issues arise when it is compared to the source material!
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Old 21 September 2019, 16:12   #48
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Well, I grew up with Arcades and was still happy with Final Fight. The flaws were obvious back then of course. But I still found it playable, I had fun with it. Same with Strider or StreetFighter2. All those game were not great but passable for me.
Major letdowns were Outrun and Shinobi for example. Those are a mess.
DoubleDragon2 and ShadowDancer were/are awesome conversions in my opinion.
Just like you I grew up in the Arcades

....and I agree with everything you've said; I'm especially disappointed with Shinobi, as that's my all time favourite Arcade game.

Ghosts 'N Goblins was another awesome conversion.
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Old 21 September 2019, 16:19   #49
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Conversion of Final Fight isn't very good if you compare with the original version.

But I remember playing this game on amiga and finding it not that bad. Not frustrating, and there aren't that many games like this.

Of course, if you compare with the arcade version, you're very disappointed. But that's not in the same league of other games Zeusdaz reviewed like Running Man or Bad Catz for instance.

Game is still playable & fast, sprites are big (and ripped from the arcade, not redrawn) and it's probably because Richard tried his best on 512K ECS (where a Tiertex conversion would have been even worse).
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Old 21 September 2019, 16:53   #50
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I doubt tiertex could have actually achieved a conversion of final fight in any playable form.
Richard performed a miracle in my eyes from what he did.
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Major letdowns were Outrun and Shinobi for example. Those are a mess.
What about Rolling Thunder?

btw, another example of a perfect arcade port is Pang.
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The ironic thing is all the software houses that did very good games back in the day either no longer exsist or were bought out and yet TIERTEX are still in business!!...WTF??? They do games for mobile phones,...what a messed up situation, a company who were notorious for coughing up shite, never taken to court for these crimes and yet are still in business,...SHEEESH!

There have been many beauty conversions on the Amiga mainly thanks to Ocean / Imagine,...a software house I have great respect for unlike U.S.Gold, but as said my feeling regarding Final Fight are not the most positive, as Zeus correctly stated it seemed to have lost It's X-Factor, It's fun and soul during conversion.
Stick to Double Dragon II on Amiga, very good conversion,...even though Willy at the end doesn't seem to know what he's doing, far more fun than Final Fight on Amiga.

P.s, thanks to Zeus for leaving the link at the top of the feed for all the "Shit Game Time" videos, Bad Cat video had me aching with laughter.
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I doubt tiertex could have actually achieved a conversion of final fight in any playable form.
Richard performed a miracle in my eyes from what he did.
You're a developer; you're thinking in terms of technical achievement. Which is fine, he did indeed pull off the impossible (or nearly so). But from the point of view of someone who loves FinalFight, lives and breathes its intricacies, the game falls very far short of the arcade - not just in understandable graphical fidelity, but with entire gameplay mechanics completely missing.

So from that point of view, it is indeed shit, despite it being technically excellent.



...it's like when I first grabbed a copy of Jet Set Willy II for the Amiga. The Spectrum original was sublime (though not quite as good as JSW1) and the Amiga version had it all - scrolling through rooms, big sprites, colourful graphics, background tiles and music that wasn't a beeper.

The actual game was utter shit though.
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You're a developer; you're thinking in terms of technical achievement. Which is fine, he did indeed pull off the impossible (or nearly so). But from the point of view of someone who loves FinalFight, lives and breathes its intricacies, the game falls very far short of the arcade - not just in understandable graphical fidelity, but with entire gameplay mechanics completely missing.

So from that point of view, it is indeed shit, despite it being technically excellent.



...it's like when I first grabbed a copy of Jet Set Willy II for the Amiga. The Spectrum original was sublime (though not quite as good as JSW1) and the Amiga version had it all - scrolling through rooms, big sprites, colourful graphics, background tiles and music that wasn't a beeper.

The actual game was utter shit though.

Hmm, JSW II for the Amiga,...that sounds like a SGT nomination ;-)
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Hmm, JSW II for the Amiga,...that sounds like a SGT nomination ;-)
Oh good god yes, but do a side-by-side with the 8bit versions
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It HUGELY depends on if you played Final Fight on arcade before, or not.
If you played it (and loved it), FF on the Amiga had NOTHING in common with that gameplay. The biggest issue for me is lacking a grab move (where you grab your opponent and throw it to the other opponents). And there are a lots of other issues.

However, people that were kids at the time, and haven't played FF on arcade, could basically accept this game as a "passable" beat em up. If you accept that mechanic is more like Double Dragon mechanic, and you use flying kick 90% of the time, it could be Ok, I guess.

We have to give Richard Aplin big credit for the game is running on UNEXPANDED Amiga 500 with only 512kb.
However, he didn't liked and played original FF (he said that in some interview), and the lack of proper game mechanic, I guess, that's the reason. If he would like it, I guess, he could have made gameplay much better and closer to FF.

All in all, I am in the legions of Amiga users, that are desperate because there's no single good beat em up on the Amiga (with exception on average Golden Axe), but my souls is now in piece, because of announcement of Metro Siege, that looks like a proper Capcom style beat em up game.
I agree with everything you've said, and just like mcgeezer pointed out in one of his first posts, I would blame publishing company for not getting a hold of source code. If they were supposed to make good conversion, shouldn't they have resources to stay as accurate as possible?

If that was the case, we would've seen much more quality ports...
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Oh good god yes, but do a side-by-side with the 8bit versions

Stick it in the request video then You'll need to place it on the Youtube page, not here.
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I still don't fully agree that obtaining the scource code would produce vastly better results of conversions, the department could have easily got hold of the arcade machine (or rented it from the likes of Electrocoin) that way they could have had a very good idea of wht the game looks, sounds and moves like, some conversions look as if they only went on a few pictures and then guessed the rest,...Tiertex take note!!!! SF1 looked dreadful, the characters were drawn dreadful and even worse when it came to the animation, surly they could have seen from an arcade machine that the conversion they were doing was sheer shite and poorly resembled the machine.
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Old 22 September 2019, 01:29   #59
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So here is the solution....

Somebody else do a version of Final Fight for the 512k Amiga see if you can do better.

BTW, Richard is a long time personal friend of mine since well before when he made FF for the Amiga... he did a great conversion given the resources and time he was given.
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So here is the solution....

Somebody else do a version of Final Fight for the 512k Amiga see if you can do better.

BTW, Richard is a long time personal friend of mine since well before when he made FF for the Amiga... he did a great conversion given the resources and time he was given.
Having “toyed” with writing a brawler myself recently, I find it absolutely insane that FF Amiga fits in 512kb. I take my hat off to Richard. Absolutely amazing job. And the time frame sounds equally as crazy.
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