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Unknown, yes, the 8100 is a NuBus machine. Piece of shite that NuBus, I do want a PCI one.
As for those people who love Windows, have they tried enough other platforms to compare and decide they really love it? And that people who love PCs and hate Windows, since 90% or so of PC users run Windows.. how do you explain that and why don't they move? If you go to school and the big guy keeps beating you up, would you still want to go to school? Would you say "The school RAWKS, this guy beats me up everyday but the school rocks and I still want to go there". It's kind of massochist innit? And something about Mac application support. Someone up here (kolorabi?) mentioned lackl of apps. Please. That is not the case with macs, it is with A1s and Linux. All the professional apps I need for work are available for mac and, IMO, work better in the OS X environment than in windows. I have used shitloads of OSes and I chose what's best for me, which has the best balance of stability, reliability, user-friendliness and important third-party support. In the case of the PC I have never been able to switch to other OS, because while they have offered me better stability and reliability than Windows, none has offered the thirdparty support I need. Sorry, but I HAVE to work with these tools, and no, for example, The GIMP is not enough for me, though it's a very good free app. If I were to use my PC for HOME use, I would choose any of the platforms available, and if I chose the PC I WOULD NOT chose Windows as my operating system. |
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Mac software support is superb, with the best apps on the best OS. Linux is far ahead of A4 on software support. A4 owners have the worst of it. But even tht platform has superb apps, albeit few. |
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Thats just 1 niche market thats owned by wintel hardware. |
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As the niche market analyzer you are you should understand why me, being in the design industry, preffers the Macintosh platform, without coming up with all that "You can do the same with a PC for ten times less money" bullshit. Even when the same tools are available for PC, they run and FEEL better at Macs. I bet Apple pays shitloads of cash for this to keep going. I am sure that if there were no such interests the same application could be made to run the same on both platforms, but the reality is that it isn't. For one example, you have the Altivec optimizations in Photoshop. OS X is without doubts the only OS you can get that has the best balance of thirdparty support, stability and user-friendliness. And this does not come from a narrow-minded mac zealot who bought it from day 1 and kept with them to the end. I have been on the Amiga until 1997 and then got onto the PC somehow even when I wanted to stick with Motorola and switch to Macs. Nothing on the PC platform offers me that balance, unless I dual-boot or something, which is impractical. I had Linux and windows on my PC some years ago but I got sick of it, I am just not a home user for computers, and for home uses I can use whatever, my Amiga does what I need already (and I have an 030) |
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And with regards to games, there are a lot of quality titles available, but most are ports of Windows games. And if they're not, they usually find their way onto Windows if they're good. The very fact that the mac survives despite all this is the reason I have some hope for the AmigaOne as well. Quote:
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I don't think you understood my point.
You had denigrated Mac for lack of software support, and I showed you that you were incorrect, you did not bring up the not about the exclusivity of mac apps. Once again the tack you are on about Windows not having this and that. And the pure logic of Mac OS makes the apps that much better. Akira with regards to your comment about my logic, it is sound, because comparing the dearth of publishing for OS4 with the glut of publishing with OS X or Windows is non sequitor. |
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I was not questionoing your logic Fred, I was telling Unknown_K, who semed to strongly disagree with you, that he was usin ga similar approach
Kolorabi: First off I'm discussing in this thread leaving games aside. I don't care about the games. If to judge by games yes, the PC has shitloads more of them. But they all suck, so I don't care if they get ported or not. I game on consoles, period. but that's just different points of view. "Most of the great mac apps are available for Windows too, and if that's not the case, there are equivalent apps that do the same job" Read my message. How much time have you worked with the Macintosh platform to let you ASSURE that the same apps for Windows work as well on windows as they work on Mac OS? If you would have worked with them for as much as I, you would realize that's a complete fallacy. And with the "and if that's not the case, there are equivalent apps that do the same job" thinking in mind, I would not be mad using the Macintosh, the Amiga1 or Linux, since there are similar apps for all these platforms that could kind of do the job correctly. I'll repeat myself, GIMP is great, but it cannot replace Photoshop or Fireworks. |
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Anyway the casual home users could probably use any of the supported machines listed to browse the web, check email, play a few lame games, do small office projects, etc. I would rule out any platform that doesnt have a quicken port because I have seen quite a few older people pay $800 for a computer just to ballence their checkbooks on quicken. |
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Anyway games that sell a million copies on the PC must not suck for somebody even if you dont like it (I hate the simms but it sells like crazy go figure). Thats the thing with PC gaming, something for everybody not just the 1 or 2 games you either play or go watch tv. |
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hmmm, I wdn't worry about the masses, no point knocking yourself out. People are always going to want to be reassured and good solid reasons to do anything. I take it you acquired your first Amiga in 1986 like I did... I now own about 30 complete systems, including 4 A4000's and never owned anything else. I spent an incredible amount of money in the early days and in recent years had a field day picking up stuff for bugger all *heh* about time ,) I will buy the top of the line A1 system and probably a Pegasos II system too... and I cd've give one toss about the future of the hardware and software... even as things stand today it'll do more than enough to justify the lousy low price... Remember the days when one freaking Amiga board cost more than the entire A1 system... The Amiga isn't a cpu as much as it is a lifestyle... Adios! and perhaps you're right on target when you suggested you wander off into the outback for peace of mind if nothing else ,) |
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Out of curiosity how many of the 30 are just parts machines and what do you do with the remainder? |
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atm I have 3 amiga's, A1, A4k and an A1200 somewhere. I remember paying £220 for an external floppy drive, £400+ for a 1081, and a vast amount for the 256k ram pack for my A1000. Even in the 90's it was £500 for a 105Mb scsi harddrive and IVS Trumpcard for the 2000 I had then, £800 for an 040/28 accelerator, £350 for P-IV + paloma, around £500 for my 060 Long live the Amiga lifestyle |
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Photoshop on the Mac takes advantage of the Altivec set of instructions. How does Photoshop take advantage of special PC hardware? It doesn't. Where is the forthcoming Adobe CS pack coming to? PC? No.Will it get ported to PC? yes. Will it feel and work the same or better? No. why? Because Apple pays shitloads of money for this to stay this way. Macintosh has been the choice for creative professional work for years, and Apple knows how to take good care of their niche. When was the last time you used Mac OS? Are you, perchance, comparing your experience with OS8 or earlier machines with the experience you have now with Windows XP machines? Wouldn't that be like comparing CP/M with BSD? |
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the average cpu joe bloggs but I'm totally indifferent. The only machines considered to be parts would be some of the many A500 units I have. Out of the other platforms that I have roughly that all go are: 4 A4000's 1 A3000T 7 A2000's 5 CD32's 1 A1200 (yes, I destroyed my other 2 by a stupid mistake :P) 3 A600's and about 12 Amiga 500's. etc etc, many addons one of the A4000's is a Towered 233mhz CSPPC/060. Once I get my butt into full motion I plan to program and also electronics... I think you can guess the mad rest ,) |
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