Subway or Deneb?

Brakus · 25 March 2009, 08:20

Hi all,

I need some advice...

I have an 4000d with a Buddha flash with clockport and I want to install a usb board ...

I have a 3000 with a Deneb installed and I'm very happy with it but I was wondering whether to save some $ I should just go for a subway to put in the 4000?

Apart from the obvious price difference and the flash rom in the deneb, is there any other advantage to using a deneb rather than a subway? I assume that the functionality and compatabilaties would be the same once the poseidon stack is installed?

alexh · 25 March 2009, 08:45

If you can afford it, get a deneb.

Deneb is 10x faster because it is USB2.0 HS/Zorro III DMA whereas Subway is USB1.1 FS/clockport.

Deneb = 8MB/s
Subway = 800KB/s

Cammy · 26 March 2009, 01:53

I know the Subway is slower than the Deneb, but are you sure it's only USB1.1? I'm pretty sure my Subway supports USB2, I think it's just not High-Speed USB2 that isn't supported. All USB2 devices work fine on my A1200.

Still, get the Deneb if you have Zorro slots!

DJBase · 26 March 2009, 02:45

Subway supports also USB2.0 but only at USB1.1 speed so no HighSpeed Mode.

rkauer · 26 March 2009, 03:28

And Subway is also small enough to hide inside the Amiga where you want.

Deneb is a full size board, making air flow a bit more complicated.

alexh · 26 March 2009, 10:03

USB2.0 FS is as near as damn it USB1.1!

It really depends what you want to do with your USB? If it is mass storage then you'd be mad to get a subway if you could afford a deneb.

Brakus · 26 March 2009, 13:03

I mostly wanted it so I could use a usb->ethernet adapter and to experiment with usb sound... Mass storage I'm covered by the cf backplate connected to the Buddha so I guess speed wins out and its another Deneb

Now, if only I hadn't just ordered an Indy 4000, I could afford one so for the time being the 4000 will have to stay usbless!

TheCorfiot · 26 March 2009, 16:57

IF you have Zorro slot cabability (esp ZIII), It's Deneb all the way, no competition.
It will also fit nicely on the bottom ZIII slot once your Indivision 4000 is fitted too & they can share the slot backplane

TC

DJBase · 26 March 2009, 19:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkauer

And Subway is also small enough to hide inside the Amiga where you want.

Deneb is a full size board, making air flow a bit more complicated.

Deneb is not full size zorro board. Picasso IV would be a full size zorro board.

rkauer · 26 March 2009, 21:54

OK. half sized Zorro.

But even then the Subway is smaller.

25 March 2009, 08:20	#1
Brakus Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 54 Posts: 100	Subway or Deneb? Hi all, I need some advice... I have an 4000d with a Buddha flash with clockport and I want to install a usb board ... I have a 3000 with a Deneb installed and I'm very happy with it but I was wondering whether to save some $ I should just go for a subway to put in the 4000? Apart from the obvious price difference and the flash rom in the deneb, is there any other advantage to using a deneb rather than a subway? I assume that the functionality and compatabilaties would be the same once the poseidon stack is installed?

25 March 2009, 08:45	#2
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	If you can afford it, get a deneb. Deneb is 10x faster because it is USB2.0 HS/Zorro III DMA whereas Subway is USB1.1 FS/clockport. Deneb = 8MB/s Subway = 800KB/s Last edited by alexh; 25 March 2009 at 08:51.

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26 March 2009, 01:53	#3
Cammy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tasmania, Australia Age: 39 Posts: 1,189	I know the Subway is slower than the Deneb, but are you sure it's only USB1.1? I'm pretty sure my Subway supports USB2, I think it's just not High-Speed USB2 that isn't supported. All USB2 devices work fine on my A1200. Still, get the Deneb if you have Zorro slots!

26 March 2009, 02:45	#4
DJBase Amiga is my Religion Join Date: May 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 578	Subway supports also USB2.0 but only at USB1.1 speed so no HighSpeed Mode.

26 March 2009, 03:28	#5
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	And Subway is also small enough to hide inside the Amiga where you want. Deneb is a full size board, making air flow a bit more complicated.

26 March 2009, 10:03	#6
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,337	USB2.0 FS is as near as damn it USB1.1! It really depends what you want to do with your USB? If it is mass storage then you'd be mad to get a subway if you could afford a deneb.

26 March 2009, 13:03	#7
Brakus Registered User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Age: 54 Posts: 100	I mostly wanted it so I could use a usb->ethernet adapter and to experiment with usb sound... Mass storage I'm covered by the cf backplate connected to the Buddha so I guess speed wins out and its another Deneb Now, if only I hadn't just ordered an Indy 4000, I could afford one so for the time being the 4000 will have to stay usbless!

26 March 2009, 16:57	#8
TheCorfiot Amibay Senior Staff Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Cardiff / Wales Posts: 1,302	IF you have Zorro slot cabability (esp ZIII), It's Deneb all the way, no competition. It will also fit nicely on the bottom ZIII slot once your Indivision 4000 is fitted too & they can share the slot backplane TC

26 March 2009, 21:54	#10
rkauer I hate potatos and shirts Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sao Leopoldo / Brazil Age: 58 Posts: 3,482	OK. half sized Zorro. But even then the Subway is smaller.

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