Wolfenstein 3D clones for PC

s2325 · 25 October 2007, 10:24

Blakestone, Catacomb Abyss, Corridor 7, Deadline (preview), Depth Dwellers, Desperabis, Hovertank 3D, Ken's Labyrinth (crap), Nitemare 3D, Operation Bodycount, Spear of Destiny, Spear End of Destiny, Spear Resurrection, Terror of Catacombs, The Thing Returns, Trench Warfare, Wolfen Doom 1 & 2 any more?

Graham Humphrey · 25 October 2007, 10:26

That's a hell of a long name for a game

s2325 · 25 October 2007, 10:28

yes, now it's correctly

musashi5150 · 25 October 2007, 11:01

Rise of the triad ?

DrF · 25 October 2007, 11:11

Exactly what do we consider a Wolf 3D clone?
A game based on the same engine or from the same era?
Because theres crap loads of Doom/Quake/Wolf 3D clones about, I think the list could get VERY big in a short space of time

s2325 · 25 October 2007, 11:57

Same era, Rise of the Triad it's good game but it's too new. I'm playing on 486 33MHz, 8MB RAM, HDD 200MB.

DrF · 26 October 2007, 12:55

So we are basically looking for 3D FPS games around the time of Doom/Wolf3D that can run on a 486, so that means no 3D acceleration, software rendering ahoy!, 99% likely that they run in DOS, usually use plain out SoundBlaster or Adlib standards for sound.

Now about that hard drive... I know Doom can be run from a CD, not sure about others though.

Retro-Nerd · 26 October 2007, 13:05

Strife is a nice Doom clone, which uses the Doom engine.

http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/strife

DrF · 26 October 2007, 13:19

What about Hexan would that run?
Or Heretic?
Shadow Warrior, Blood, Duke Nukem 3D all play on my P3 with no 3D card, but not sure how well on a 486.

Zetr0 · 26 October 2007, 14:03

Heretic/Hexen

should run on a 486.... if you want to call it running

, a Dx100 with 8MB+ should be able to acquit its self.

As for Blood / Duke Nukem 3D they use an unreal / quake engine wich will tax that little 486 to hell and back....

I dont know about shadow warrior, as i have never played / seen it...

s2325 · 26 October 2007, 14:08

Blood & Duke Nukem 3D have less advanced engines than those from Quake or Unreal. Shadow Warrior, Heretic, Hexen, Blood, DN3D are well known titles for me, so I'm searching for older titles. Strife have too much adventure/rpg elements for me.

DrF · 26 October 2007, 15:00

Blood, Duke Nukem 3D and Shadow Warrior all run on the same engine. We used to play Duke Nukem 3D in our school on a 486 DX2/66 with 8Mb RAM and some god forsaken RM brand VGA card of some sort.

If you simply must have a 486 could you not get a Dx4/100 or a AMD DX4 those came as 120s and 133s, I think I saw faster as over drives too.

Even a early Pentium overdrive might be usefull?

s2325 · 26 October 2007, 16:00

My first PC was 486, I don't want faster machine for nostalgic purposes.

DrF · 26 October 2007, 17:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by s2325

My first PC was 486, I don't want faster machine for nostalgic purposes.

I went that route (I tried using a DX2/50, then I tried a P75) and soon realised there was other things I wanted to do and could not, so thats why I use DOS on my P3 laptop, most of the problems I had running old games was not the hardware but the operating systems/modern software drivers, I soon found a PURE DOS install of either 6.22 or a Windows 98 install to provide the best platform (we all love conventional memory right :P ), I am not bashing the choice of a old skool 486, I just think hardware for this purpose is the 2nd concern

Zetr0 · 26 October 2007, 18:19

I have a 98 / Dosbox.... its a bit juicey though

AMD 1.4Ghz Factory Unlocked DDR Athlon
512MB RAM
Sound Blaster Pro
Radeon VIVO

Running an 18GB SCSI 3 Disk.... fast!!!!!!!!! but then loading dos/98 games is in seconds.... it has some issues under 98 (being a little to quick) but it really is a well behaved computer under DOS

DrF · 26 October 2007, 18:57

SoundBlaster Pro... weapon of choice

No mucking about with one of those, my laptop actually has oddly 2 soundcards a ISA one (SoundBlaster) and a PCI one (Crystal Media) that combo causes hell in Linux, a BIOS option enables the ISA devices.

I have a P3 450, 384Mb RAM, if I run at 66Mhz FSB I get a extra 32Mb (onboard) :/, 2.5Mb NeoMagic WTFBBQ-edition-some-crap-with-VESA-issues video card.

@s2325

I have loads of old DOS games that were zipped up and put onto CDRs, would you like to know more

I also have a old CDR of operating systems (PC DOS, Dr.Dos, 386 Unix, AT&T something, Win 3.x, Win NT and some obsure things)

s2325 · 26 October 2007, 21:01

No, thank you, I have MS-DOS + Win 3.1 PL installed & don't need something more/different. All games which I need I can find on abandonware sites.

keropi · 26 October 2007, 21:18

ah, the joys of DOS gaming.... I have some retro-pc's as well... if only I could find a 486 mobo that had a ps2 mouseport...

s2325 · 26 October 2007, 21:34

Here is my old 486:
http://www.intershop.neostrada.pl/t910cs/1.jpg
http://www.intershop.neostrada.pl/t910cs/4.jpg
http://www.intershop.neostrada.pl/t910cs/6.jpg
http://www.intershop.neostrada.pl/t910cs/7.jpg

DrF · 26 October 2007, 23:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by keropi

ah, the joys of DOS gaming.... I have some retro-pc's as well... if only I could find a 486 mobo that had a ps2 mouseport...

You using a serial or AT (I'm sure it was called AT) mouse then?
Could you just not convert it with a adaptor?
I have some serial to PS2 and some AT to PS2 somewhere I kept them just incase

@s2325

I have a Toshiba laptop like that but its a 386, had it a few years.

It has some serious power related issues when I got it, to see the repair work heres the link to the pics :

http://www.busydizzys.com/temp/craptop/win.jpg
http://www.busydizzys.com/temp/craptop/behold.jpg
http://www.busydizzys.com/temp/craptop/behold1.jpg
http://www.busydizzys.com/temp/craptop/leds.jpg
http://www.busydizzys.com/temp/craptop/psu.jpg
http://www.busydizzys.com/temp/craptop/screen.jpg

25 October 2007, 10:24	#1
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Wolfenstein 3D clones for PC Blakestone, Catacomb Abyss, Corridor 7, Deadline (preview), Depth Dwellers, Desperabis, Hovertank 3D, Ken's Labyrinth (crap), Nitemare 3D, Operation Bodycount, Spear of Destiny, Spear End of Destiny, Spear Resurrection, Terror of Catacombs, The Thing Returns, Trench Warfare, Wolfen Doom 1 & 2 any more?

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25 October 2007, 10:26	#2
Graham Humphrey Moderator Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Norwich, Norfolk, UK Age: 37 Posts: 11,167	That's a hell of a long name for a game

25 October 2007, 10:28	#3
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	yes, now it's correctly

25 October 2007, 11:01	#4
musashi5150 move.w #$4489,$dff07e Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Norfolk, UK Age: 42 Posts: 2,351	Rise of the triad ?

25 October 2007, 11:11	#5
DrF Blessed A1200 Of TeH Rat Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bham, UK Age: 42 Posts: 496	Exactly what do we consider a Wolf 3D clone? A game based on the same engine or from the same era? Because theres crap loads of Doom/Quake/Wolf 3D clones about, I think the list could get VERY big in a short space of time

25 October 2007, 11:57	#6
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Same era, Rise of the Triad it's good game but it's too new. I'm playing on 486 33MHz, 8MB RAM, HDD 200MB.

26 October 2007, 12:55	#7
DrF Blessed A1200 Of TeH Rat Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bham, UK Age: 42 Posts: 496	So we are basically looking for 3D FPS games around the time of Doom/Wolf3D that can run on a 486, so that means no 3D acceleration, software rendering ahoy!, 99% likely that they run in DOS, usually use plain out SoundBlaster or Adlib standards for sound. Now about that hard drive... I know Doom can be run from a CD, not sure about others though.

26 October 2007, 13:05	#8
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,438	Strife is a nice Doom clone, which uses the Doom engine. http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/strife

26 October 2007, 13:19	#9
DrF Blessed A1200 Of TeH Rat Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bham, UK Age: 42 Posts: 496	What about Hexan would that run? Or Heretic? Shadow Warrior, Blood, Duke Nukem 3D all play on my P3 with no 3D card, but not sure how well on a 486.

26 October 2007, 14:03	#10
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	Heretic/Hexen should run on a 486.... if you want to call it running , a Dx100 with 8MB+ should be able to acquit its self. As for Blood / Duke Nukem 3D they use an unreal / quake engine wich will tax that little 486 to hell and back.... I dont know about shadow warrior, as i have never played / seen it...

26 October 2007, 14:08	#11
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Blood & Duke Nukem 3D have less advanced engines than those from Quake or Unreal. Shadow Warrior, Heretic, Hexen, Blood, DN3D are well known titles for me, so I'm searching for older titles. Strife have too much adventure/rpg elements for me.

26 October 2007, 15:00	#12
DrF Blessed A1200 Of TeH Rat Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bham, UK Age: 42 Posts: 496	Blood, Duke Nukem 3D and Shadow Warrior all run on the same engine. We used to play Duke Nukem 3D in our school on a 486 DX2/66 with 8Mb RAM and some god forsaken RM brand VGA card of some sort. If you simply must have a 486 could you not get a Dx4/100 or a AMD DX4 those came as 120s and 133s, I think I saw faster as over drives too. Even a early Pentium overdrive might be usefull?

26 October 2007, 16:00	#13
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	My first PC was 486, I don't want faster machine for nostalgic purposes.

26 October 2007, 18:19	#15
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	I have a 98 / Dosbox.... its a bit juicey though AMD 1.4Ghz Factory Unlocked DDR Athlon 512MB RAM Sound Blaster Pro Radeon VIVO Running an 18GB SCSI 3 Disk.... fast!!!!!!!!! but then loading dos/98 games is in seconds.... it has some issues under 98 (being a little to quick) but it really is a well behaved computer under DOS

26 October 2007, 18:57	#16
DrF Blessed A1200 Of TeH Rat Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bham, UK Age: 42 Posts: 496	SoundBlaster Pro... weapon of choice No mucking about with one of those, my laptop actually has oddly 2 soundcards a ISA one (SoundBlaster) and a PCI one (Crystal Media) that combo causes hell in Linux, a BIOS option enables the ISA devices. I have a P3 450, 384Mb RAM, if I run at 66Mhz FSB I get a extra 32Mb (onboard) :/, 2.5Mb NeoMagic WTFBBQ-edition-some-crap-with-VESA-issues video card. @s2325 I have loads of old DOS games that were zipped up and put onto CDRs, would you like to know more I also have a old CDR of operating systems (PC DOS, Dr.Dos, 386 Unix, AT&T something, Win 3.x, Win NT and some obsure things)

26 October 2007, 21:01	#17
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	No, thank you, I have MS-DOS + Win 3.1 PL installed & don't need something more/different. All games which I need I can find on abandonware sites.

26 October 2007, 21:18	#18
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	ah, the joys of DOS gaming.... I have some retro-pc's as well... if only I could find a 486 mobo that had a ps2 mouseport...

26 October 2007, 21:34	#19
s2325 Zone Friend Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Gargore Age: 43 Posts: 17,789	Here is my old 486: http://www.intershop.neostrada.pl/t910cs/1.jpg http://www.intershop.neostrada.pl/t910cs/4.jpg http://www.intershop.neostrada.pl/t910cs/6.jpg http://www.intershop.neostrada.pl/t910cs/7.jpg

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