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_ThEcRoW · 05 July 2007, 18:15

Hello i have ordered this turboboard for my desktop 1200(Apollo 1230 Turbo) emaginator. What do you think obaut that. Mainly i want a classic setup for demos and whdload, and since it has 32 mb of ram i liket it very much. How do you see it?

P.D: I didn't know how to put this thread, so i put it in prb. hardware since it is hard. related. Moderators feel free to put to another place if it is convenient.

alexh · 05 July 2007, 18:40

Not a bad board. Perhaps the second best 030 board for the A1200.

Which version is it? If it has 32Mbytes then it is probably a MK-II or MK-III

What speed 030 is it?

Could be worth getting the SCSI module for it if you can.

_ThEcRoW · 05 July 2007, 18:53

Is this http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/apollo1230mk1.
For the moment im fine with ide, but i would consider scsi in the future.

Zetr0 · 05 July 2007, 19:05

SCSI is pretty crap on Apollo board to be sincerely honest, its not much better than the internal IDE for speed that I have noted

Still its a great board, and I just LOVE Apollo boards

there cheap and easy to fix too

keropi · 05 July 2007, 19:19

and if u ever need faster HD-access, just get a FastATA... they are very nice

_ThEcRoW · 05 July 2007, 21:22

Ok thanks for the replies, they are valuable. Another question ihave is if the battery of the clock gets carged, or if i will need to install a button type holder for the battery, because the one i see in the photo listed seems to be non-renovable.
Any suggestions?

Zetr0 · 05 July 2007, 21:27

The battery is rechargable, but after this length of time, i doubt they will take much of a charge. unfortunately these batterys are non-removable unless you want at it with a soldering iron.

JJB from AMIGA CENTER in france can fit a new battery for you for a small cost. but really, I have a clock. a watch and VCR to tell the time

_ThEcRoW · 06 July 2007, 00:15

Ok, are these type of batteries prone to leak?. I wouldn't want a broken board in some time.
So i can put in (soldering) one of those coin-sized cell holders?
Thanks!!

Zetr0 · 06 July 2007, 02:36

hmmm

Normally I would say no, they are deemed as the NON-Leakable type of battery, but if its porly stored (which is what happened to my 060

) they do indeed leak.

infact so much so, it killed an IC and lifted a few tracks from the 060 board

but JJB came to the RESCUE and now i have my Apollo 060 with dual ram ports (upto 64MB of ram)!

[edit]

if you are comftable de-soldering the existing component then soldering a new coin type would be quite simple, after all its only the solder points.

If i could ask though, please take some pictures of your work before and after it would both a be a joy to see as well as educational to those whom would do it if only they new how.

_ThEcRoW · 06 July 2007, 02:54

Ok, when it arrives i will take a look on it, and when i decide to change the battery will post pics. No problem!
Your help and the others in this post is highly appreciated.
Thanks!!!.

P.D: Maybe in the future could be using the pcmcia port. Is this card pcmcia friendly?. I have searched through the net but no found a clue. I suppose it is, but when it arrive i will check the memory adrress she uses as some faq recommended.
Cheers!

Zetr0 · 06 July 2007, 02:57

it should be PCMCIA friendly, as it has its own 32bit memory address controller.

Saying this the Blizzy Mk1 and 2's had issues with the PCMCIA.... hmmm

*fingers crossed

*

BippyM · 06 July 2007, 13:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by alexh

Not a bad board. Perhaps the second best 030 board for the A1200.

What is the best?

Zetr0 · 06 July 2007, 14:36

arguably the blizzy mk3 and mk4 030's @50mhz

(personally i prefer Apollo 030's) although there only at 40mhz, It looks and feels better constructed.

I haven't had a sim-port break on any of my apollos, and I have had 4 in my time ( i have two left an 030/060 ) I used to have another apollo 030 and 040 but these got sold / traded on.

I used to have a Blizzy Mk4 030 @50, and the sim retainer broke, i was told this was all to common.... meh... bad batch of plastic i put it down to.

Apparently Apollos have a slighty fast CHIP access time or so i have read. I personally cannot note this in my tests mind you i wasn`t really looking for it either. but the biggest let down with the apollos is the dire implementation of SCSI, its hardly managed and can really slow-down an 030! (and it gives my 060 heart burn too)

so how do you know if a blizzy is for you?

if you want more than 64MB
if you want a reasonable SCSI controller with ya accelerator
if you want to join the exscluive Blizzrd owners club
if you feel the need to scoff at Apollo Owners

(remember blizzy030's Mk1/2's have repoted issues with not overly being PCMCIA friendly)

so is an Apollo card good for you?

Apollos are very PCMCIA friendly (from rev 1- )
Apollos are cheaper and offer the same cpu performance
Apollos have been reported with faster chip accessing times
Apollos are very simple to fix and upgrade
Apollos are quite robust (contrary to most conjecture!)

so that my opinion I am sure theres a blizzy owner out there right now itching to say something.

BippyM · 06 July 2007, 14:38

I used to have an Apollo o4o (and a blizzard PPC) but now i have a Blizzard o3o mkIV

Seems stable enough and i'm happy with it (it's boxed and everything)

_ThEcRoW · 06 July 2007, 18:30

Need your help guys. Today arrived the accelerator, i plugged it in but ithe miggy won't boot, only showed a black screen. Removed the ram stick and try again but no luck.
I saw a jumper to select between scsi/ram, so i removed it and put it in scsi option, and then the system booted, but no fast mem. In sysinfo the 030 was recognized, but it showed little speed. Then i removed the jumper and let it jumperless, and it booted with no fast ram, but this time sysinfo showed the speed it should show, but no fast mem.
Then i switched off, and put the jumper again in the ram position,a nd now it boots well, sysinfo shows it correctly, but only shows 8 megs of fast ram.
What ias happening?. Do i need to set anything on the early startup? Is the simm defective?.
Please mates, help!!!!!!!

Smiley · 06 July 2007, 18:46

Have you adjusted the jumpers to 32mb?

(EDIT: Does the Apollo1230 use RAM jumpers?.....I am thinking of a 1240)

If you have then I would guess faulty RAM.

_ThEcRoW · 06 July 2007, 18:59

The only jumpers this board have are two, one reads scsi and another ram.
No other jumpers left.

blade002 · 06 July 2007, 19:00

I bought a Blizzard MkIV back in 96 and its a brilliant board!.. never had an issue and at the time it made alot of games just fly!!!!!... for an 030 board i dont see how it could have got any better with this one

Zetr0 · 06 July 2007, 19:51

The Apollo has an internal configuration for memory, all you are doing ineffect is turning fast ram on / off.

Its highly possible your SIM (memory module) is damaged, do you have another to test it?

fc.studio · 06 July 2007, 20:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by blade002

I bought a Blizzard MkIV back in 96 and its a brilliant board!.. never had an issue and at the time it made alot of games just fly!!!!!... for an 030 board i dont see how it could have got any better with this one

I've one and I think like you.
However for my 2nd A1200 I've a simple Blizzard 1220/4 (68020/28) and I think it's a little jewel with 5.05 Sysinfo Mips and 5.0 AIBB CPU/Latency access memory (better than my Blizzard 1230/IV).
In speed Blizzard 1220/4 is very near or better than several 1230 with incredible access memory time.
Obviously it has its limits, but if you can't afford at least 68030/40, take this and you will not regret.

http://amiga.resource.cx/perf/aibb.p...f=blizzard1220

05 July 2007, 18:15	#1
_ThEcRoW Amiga NetRunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Spain Age: 45 Posts: 941	About this accelerator Hello i have ordered this turboboard for my desktop 1200(Apollo 1230 Turbo) emaginator. What do you think obaut that. Mainly i want a classic setup for demos and whdload, and since it has 32 mb of ram i liket it very much. How do you see it? P.D: I didn't know how to put this thread, so i put it in prb. hardware since it is hard. related. Moderators feel free to put to another place if it is convenient.

05 July 2007, 18:40	#2
alexh Thalion Webshrine Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Oxford Posts: 14,354	Not a bad board. Perhaps the second best 030 board for the A1200. Which version is it? If it has 32Mbytes then it is probably a MK-II or MK-III What speed 030 is it? Could be worth getting the SCSI module for it if you can. Last edited by alexh; 05 July 2007 at 18:45.

06 July 2007, 14:36	#13
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	arguably the blizzy mk3 and mk4 030's @50mhz (personally i prefer Apollo 030's) although there only at 40mhz, It looks and feels better constructed. I haven't had a sim-port break on any of my apollos, and I have had 4 in my time ( i have two left an 030/060 ) I used to have another apollo 030 and 040 but these got sold / traded on. I used to have a Blizzy Mk4 030 @50, and the sim retainer broke, i was told this was all to common.... meh... bad batch of plastic i put it down to. Apparently Apollos have a slighty fast CHIP access time or so i have read. I personally cannot note this in my tests mind you i wasn`t really looking for it either. but the biggest let down with the apollos is the dire implementation of SCSI, its hardly managed and can really slow-down an 030! (and it gives my 060 heart burn too) so how do you know if a blizzy is for you? if you want more than 64MB if you want a reasonable SCSI controller with ya accelerator if you want to join the exscluive Blizzrd owners club if you feel the need to scoff at Apollo Owners (remember blizzy030's Mk1/2's have repoted issues with not overly being PCMCIA friendly) so is an Apollo card good for you? Apollos are very PCMCIA friendly (from rev 1- ) Apollos are cheaper and offer the same cpu performance Apollos have been reported with faster chip accessing times Apollos are very simple to fix and upgrade Apollos are quite robust (contrary to most conjecture!) so that my opinion I am sure theres a blizzy owner out there right now itching to say something.

06 July 2007, 18:30	#15
_ThEcRoW Amiga NetRunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Spain Age: 45 Posts: 941	About this accelerator: Urgent Help!!!!!!! Need your help guys. Today arrived the accelerator, i plugged it in but ithe miggy won't boot, only showed a black screen. Removed the ram stick and try again but no luck. I saw a jumper to select between scsi/ram, so i removed it and put it in scsi option, and then the system booted, but no fast mem. In sysinfo the 030 was recognized, but it showed little speed. Then i removed the jumper and let it jumperless, and it booted with no fast ram, but this time sysinfo showed the speed it should show, but no fast mem. Then i switched off, and put the jumper again in the ram position,a nd now it boots well, sysinfo shows it correctly, but only shows 8 megs of fast ram. What ias happening?. Do i need to set anything on the early startup? Is the simm defective?. Please mates, help!!!!!!!

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05 July 2007, 18:53	#3
_ThEcRoW Amiga NetRunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Spain Age: 45 Posts: 941	Is this http://amiga.resource.cx/exp/apollo1230mk1. For the moment im fine with ide, but i would consider scsi in the future.

05 July 2007, 19:05	#4
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	SCSI is pretty crap on Apollo board to be sincerely honest, its not much better than the internal IDE for speed that I have noted Still its a great board, and I just LOVE Apollo boards there cheap and easy to fix too

05 July 2007, 19:19	#5
keropi . Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Ioannina/Greece Posts: 5,040	and if u ever need faster HD-access, just get a FastATA... they are very nice

05 July 2007, 21:22	#6
_ThEcRoW Amiga NetRunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Spain Age: 45 Posts: 941	Ok thanks for the replies, they are valuable. Another question ihave is if the battery of the clock gets carged, or if i will need to install a button type holder for the battery, because the one i see in the photo listed seems to be non-renovable. Any suggestions?

05 July 2007, 21:27	#7
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	The battery is rechargable, but after this length of time, i doubt they will take much of a charge. unfortunately these batterys are non-removable unless you want at it with a soldering iron. JJB from AMIGA CENTER in france can fit a new battery for you for a small cost. but really, I have a clock. a watch and VCR to tell the time

06 July 2007, 00:15	#8
_ThEcRoW Amiga NetRunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Spain Age: 45 Posts: 941	Ok, are these type of batteries prone to leak?. I wouldn't want a broken board in some time. So i can put in (soldering) one of those coin-sized cell holders? Thanks!!

06 July 2007, 02:36	#9
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	hmmm Normally I would say no, they are deemed as the NON-Leakable type of battery, but if its porly stored (which is what happened to my 060 ) they do indeed leak. infact so much so, it killed an IC and lifted a few tracks from the 060 board but JJB came to the RESCUE and now i have my Apollo 060 with dual ram ports (upto 64MB of ram)! [edit] if you are comftable de-soldering the existing component then soldering a new coin type would be quite simple, after all its only the solder points. If i could ask though, please take some pictures of your work before and after it would both a be a joy to see as well as educational to those whom would do it if only they new how.

06 July 2007, 02:54	#10
_ThEcRoW Amiga NetRunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Spain Age: 45 Posts: 941	Ok, when it arrives i will take a look on it, and when i decide to change the battery will post pics. No problem! Your help and the others in this post is highly appreciated. Thanks!!!. P.D: Maybe in the future could be using the pcmcia port. Is this card pcmcia friendly?. I have searched through the net but no found a clue. I suppose it is, but when it arrive i will check the memory adrress she uses as some faq recommended. Cheers!

06 July 2007, 02:57	#11
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	it should be PCMCIA friendly, as it has its own 32bit memory address controller. Saying this the Blizzy Mk1 and 2's had issues with the PCMCIA.... hmmm fingers crossed

06 July 2007, 14:38	#14
BippyM Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Derby, UK Age: 48 Posts: 9,355	I used to have an Apollo o4o (and a blizzard PPC) but now i have a Blizzard o3o mkIV Seems stable enough and i'm happy with it (it's boxed and everything)

06 July 2007, 18:46	#16
Smiley Amiga-less! Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK Posts: 1,350	Have you adjusted the jumpers to 32mb? (EDIT: Does the Apollo1230 use RAM jumpers?.....I am thinking of a 1240) If you have then I would guess faulty RAM.

06 July 2007, 18:59	#17
_ThEcRoW Amiga NetRunner Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Spain Age: 45 Posts: 941	The only jumpers this board have are two, one reads scsi and another ram. No other jumpers left.

06 July 2007, 19:00	#18
blade002 Zone Friend Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Australia Age: 50 Posts: 2,616	I bought a Blizzard MkIV back in 96 and its a brilliant board!.. never had an issue and at the time it made alot of games just fly!!!!!... for an 030 board i dont see how it could have got any better with this one

06 July 2007, 19:51	#19
Zetr0 Ya' like it Retr0? Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: United Kingdom Age: 49 Posts: 9,768	The Apollo has an internal configuration for memory, all you are doing ineffect is turning fast ram on / off. Its highly possible your SIM (memory module) is damaged, do you have another to test it?

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