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Old 29 August 2019, 01:20   #101
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@Photon

thx for the clarification
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Old 29 August 2019, 20:21   #102
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Let's see who cares about what.
  • Competing Demoscene musicians care if music is ripped off in music compos, and organizers disqualify such entries.
  • Competing Demoscene artists care if graphics is copied, and organizers disqualify entries without workstages.
  • Competing Demoscene coders, by contrast, get this who cares attitude, and organizers allow animation presented as effect - despite the presence of a Wild compo (which is actually perfect for storytelling!) for animations, renders, movies, etc.
The first two are not in the same category as you are talking about copying, ripping or theft. While you seem to think the coder is getting an easy life they still have to produce the tools on a modern platform for the conversion and the code for the target platform to run said animation on the target platform. But, more importantly, the content is created from the ground up by the artist so it's all original work. The clever part comes from knowledge of the systems limitations and using coding techniques, on and off platform, to make it run right and look good.

I guess the point i'm trying to make is while the focus here seems to be, it's just an animation, it's really ignoring the huge amount of effort the artists go through to produce something like this which is coherant and adhesive, all of which comes together on a 34 year old computer. Yes it could just be entered as a video in the wild / animation compo and probably shrink the production time down to a few months instead of four years, but wheres the fun in that?
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Old 30 August 2019, 19:03   #103
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Would it make a difference if the pre-render/tooling was done exclusively on the Amiga instead of on a PC and imported?
If you consider the classic Juggler demo, that was an animation as well, but it seemed the primary point it made was that the pre-rendering for it was done on an Amiga.

Aside from that part of the discussion, I loved the demo and it's soundtrack!
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Old 01 September 2019, 22:07   #104
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Back to the original demo from TBL mentioned. As an ex-demoscener, I really like it. There's so much depth, narrative, design and more than just effect after effect happening here. And that this is on an A500 with some extra ram is even more impressive.

I'm sold. If I'd have seen this in 1992 I would have expected it to be video from something nuts like a Silicon Graphics.
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Old 05 October 2019, 09:04   #105
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hardrive version still in the works ?
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Old 05 October 2019, 09:54   #106
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Unimpressive. But more enjoyable than their other demos which have a terrible framerate even on an 060.
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Old 05 October 2019, 13:03   #107
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060 demos in recent years are usually not made for 50Mhz.
A few years back the Revision 060 compo machine was running at 66Mhz, but this year I noticed it was 72Mhz.
TBL's demos are among the few that do run nicely on 50Mhz.

These days I watch most 060 demos on Youtube, as I can't (and won't risk) overclock my accelerator.
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Old 05 October 2019, 13:10   #108
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Looked awesome.

Isnt demos without hardware limitations sort of pointless? Isnt that why they make up artificial limitations on pc when they make demos.

Isnt the whole point to see if you can do things that look beyond the capabilities of a set system.

Demos on accelerated systems seems pointless to me.
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Old 09 October 2019, 13:01   #109
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060 demos in recent years are usually not made for 50Mhz.
A few years back the Revision 060 compo machine was running at 66Mhz, but this year I noticed it was 72Mhz.
TBL's demos are among the few that do run nicely on 50Mhz.
I don't think that many demos need an overclocked 060. I had a demo this year and did testing at home on 50Mhz. On the compo machine I didn't really notice much of a difference in speed as I think the main bottleneck is memory access speed (cache misses), not CPU cycles. There were some Elude demos some years ago that were quite slow on 50Mhz but those are definitely in the minority.
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Any way to get a WHDLoad version ?
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Any way to get a WHDLoad version ?
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