AmigaOS 3.2 and beyond - Page 18

kamelito · 29 April 2020, 21:17

Did you tried to search the title from amazon.com and buy it there?
Classic AmigaOS Programming: An introduction

Leandro Jardim · 29 April 2020, 22:24

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Originally Posted by Daedalus

Hmmm, can't say I've had that issue. Are you sure you have enough colours available, and that your icon colour precision is higher than that of the backdrop? If not, the backdrop will be a higher priority and will steal pens from the icons. That's just a side-effect of not having enough free pens.

No, the problem is with the option in the Workbench preferences editor that replaces the MagicWB daemon on AmigaOS 3.1.4.

Daedalus · 29 April 2020, 22:51

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Originally Posted by Leandro Jardim

No, the problem is with the option in the Workbench preferences editor that replaces the MagicWB daemon on AmigaOS 3.1.4.

In what way? The setting works as expected here - MagicWB icons have the correct colours when that setting is enabled, and behaviour is the same as it is in 3.9. If there aren't enough colours available, and something requires higher precision than the icons, then those pens will be taken.

coldacid · 29 April 2020, 23:39

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Originally Posted by kamelito

Did you tried to search the title from amazon.com and buy it there?
Classic AmigaOS Programming: An introduction

This is the solution. If you are NOT in the UK, you need to use either amazon.com or your "local" Amazon site (e.g. .ca for me) and look up the book. My copy is already ordered and should arrive by the 11th.

Samurai_Crow · 30 April 2020, 00:05

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Originally Posted by coldacid

This is the solution. If you are NOT in the UK, you need to use either amazon.com or your "local" Amazon site (e.g. .ca for me) and look up the book. My copy is already ordered and should arrive by the 11th.

Sweet. I'll look it up.

Leandro Jardim · 30 April 2020, 02:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daedalus

In what way? The setting works as expected here - MagicWB icons have the correct colours when that setting is enabled, and behaviour is the same as it is in 3.9. If there aren't enough colours available, and something requires higher precision than the icons, then those pens will be taken.

Oh, thanks. Now it is working, do not ask me how, I don't know why...

Pyromania · 30 April 2020, 03:13

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Originally Posted by Samurai_Crow

Item does not ship to the United States!? Is there another edition coming?

I was able to order it from amazon.com.

Samurai_Crow · 30 April 2020, 03:29

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Originally Posted by Pyromania

I was able to order it from amazon.com.

Sweet. I looked it up also, though I haven't ordered.

Olaf Barthel · 02 May 2020, 13:54

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Originally Posted by amix

(links point to Aminet Readmes)

May I kindly suggest to include something like xref_v1.1.lha, which was a great help in the creation of tooling for development purposes?

It scans the Autodocs, Includes, AmigaGuides and UNIX man pages and cross-references them, using a binary format, that is fast. It's library understands ARexx.

A typical application was to have GoldEd show the synopsis for a function/definition of a constant in a seperate pane below the text, when hovering over the function/constant, also adding completion, afair.

I just discovered a review on Aminet I had written back then (didn't know, it existed, lol), which gives a bit more info.

I never knew that, thank you! And the library and tools even come with source code.

I am a lazy person, so I stuck with the first solution that provides something similar, for use with CygnusEd and ARexx. This would be DevKit from AmigaLibDisk 297 (1989), which was written by Peter Cherna. I have been using that for more than 30 years now

Olaf Barthel · 02 May 2020, 13:57

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Originally Posted by Leandro Jardim

Another thing I have noticed with OS 3.1.4 is that its icon library seems to be incompatible with software like CondenseIcon and NewIconEmu.

What exactly do these programs accomplish, and what is not working as intended? I can see that these predate the AmigaOS 3.9 release, so that might explain why the icon.library from that release onward seems not to account for that functionality.

Olaf Barthel · 02 May 2020, 14:09

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Originally Posted by kamelito

@Olsen
Can you believe it ?
I think you’ve your guy to update the RKM!
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1690195150

Could be, but then the author probably deserves a rest for having written the book

I just ordered a printed copy and am mighty curious about the contents. The page preview omits the operating system documentation sections, and this is what I am so curious about.

When I started out writing Amiga software accurate and understandable introductory documentation was still hard to come by for a 17 year old with a bit of pocket money to save and spend.

More than 30 years later I found that the books that would have helped me the most were the Amiga Programmer's handbook, volumes 1+2 by Eugene P. Mortimore (that is, had I known that they existed and could have afforded them).

Mr. van den Oosterkamp's book seems to follow the same approach as these books did, which is very, very promising indeed!

Browsing the table of contents, however, shows that we still lack something essential for Amiga 'C' development: a robust interactive source level debugger. Without that, you'll end up spending so much time finding and fixing bugs in your software you'll lose all respect for the platform and any motivation you have had will evaporate with it

kamelito · 02 May 2020, 15:04

@Olsen
Isn’t what Afkil just released for OS4?
If so It may be ported to OS 3.2?
http://os4depot.net/?function=showfi...g/spotless.lha

Pyromania · 02 May 2020, 15:18

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Originally Posted by kamelito

Did you tried to search the title from amazon.com and buy it there?
Classic AmigaOS Programming: An introduction

Mines on the way, I ordered it from amazon.com. I would buy it again if a Kindle version was available too. It’s more of a convenance to read on iPad.

Olaf Barthel · 02 May 2020, 15:28

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Originally Posted by kamelito

@Olsen
Isn’t what Afkil just released for OS4?
If so It may be ported to OS 3.2?
http://os4depot.net/?function=showfi...g/spotless.lha

Would be lovely if it were portable, but this seems to be geared towards the PowerPC platform which means that the entire toolchain to support GCC will be involved.

The only AmigaOS 2.x/3.x native debugger which also comes with full source code is the one which shipped as part DICE 1.15. It was last updated in 1997 and, from what I learned, it would need some more work to make it suitable for use today. Development stopped when DICE was no longer commercially viable as a product

dao · 02 May 2020, 21:29

Hi amigueros!
From what I've read, v3.2 will include Reaction. I think a good choice and evolution.
But, for all of us who want lighter applications, either using Intuition or GadTools... is there any improvement planned for GadTools? For example: being able to easily include an image on a button (like gadgetrender / selectrender) or simply make a Toggle button (like GACT_TOGGLESELECT).

Thanks for your effort!

Minuous · 02 May 2020, 21:41

Scaling based on font size is new for 3.2 GadTools.

You can use ReAction gadgets to accomplish what you want; it will not be significantly slower/heavier than GadTools if you are specifying the sizes of the gadgets yourself. It is only really hierarchical layouting that takes the time.

kriz · 03 May 2020, 02:43

Nice with a new AmigaOS book, thanks for the tip of that ... It is available here also btw: https://www.bookdepository.com/Class...6496244&sr=1-1

Tigerskunk · 03 May 2020, 08:14

Do we have an introduction or tutorial on using Reaction in your own code?

Minuous · 03 May 2020, 19:31

No, but there are a lot of examples in the 3.2 NDK.

Tigerskunk · 04 May 2020, 09:57

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Originally Posted by Minuous

No, but there are a lot of examples in the 3.2 NDK.

Okay, nice...

Btw, are there any ideas about a future effort to support a unified skinning /palette prefs system in Amiga OS?

Seems everybody is using Visualprefs and Birdy right now, which seems less than a perfect solution.

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29 April 2020, 21:17	#341
kamelito Zone Friend Join Date: May 2006 Location: France Posts: 1,801	Did you tried to search the title from amazon.com and buy it there? Classic AmigaOS Programming: An introduction

02 May 2020, 15:04	#352
kamelito Zone Friend Join Date: May 2006 Location: France Posts: 1,801	@Olsen Isn’t what Afkil just released for OS4? If so It may be ported to OS 3.2? http://os4depot.net/?function=showfi...g/spotless.lha

02 May 2020, 21:29	#355
dao Registered User Join Date: Apr 2020 Location: Spain Posts: 2	Hi amigueros! From what I've read, v3.2 will include Reaction. I think a good choice and evolution. But, for all of us who want lighter applications, either using Intuition or GadTools... is there any improvement planned for GadTools? For example: being able to easily include an image on a button (like gadgetrender / selectrender) or simply make a Toggle button (like GACT_TOGGLESELECT). Thanks for your effort!

02 May 2020, 21:41	#356
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,629	Scaling based on font size is new for 3.2 GadTools. You can use ReAction gadgets to accomplish what you want; it will not be significantly slower/heavier than GadTools if you are specifying the sizes of the gadgets yourself. It is only really hierarchical layouting that takes the time.

03 May 2020, 02:43	#357
kriz Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: No(R)Way Age: 41 Posts: 3,185	Nice with a new AmigaOS book, thanks for the tip of that ... It is available here also btw: https://www.bookdepository.com/Class...6496244&sr=1-1

03 May 2020, 08:14	#358
Tigerskunk Inviyya Dude! Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Amiga Island Posts: 2,770	Do we have an introduction or tutorial on using Reaction in your own code?

03 May 2020, 19:31	#359
Minuous Coder/webmaster/gamer Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Canberra/Australia Posts: 2,629	No, but there are a lot of examples in the 3.2 NDK.

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