Babylonian Twins Kickstarter - Page 5

Amiga1992 · 29 October 2017, 20:56

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Originally Posted by btwins

If there isn't enough support for the Amiga version then probably combining a retro version with the Kickstarter might help.

Have you really read this thread? The actual OPPOSITE is what people are calling for. Nobody interested in the Amiga version will get a version for whatever other platform!

And what would the advantage be of having a "native" Mac/PC/Linux shovelware version, if you can run the AMiga version in an emulator??

DamienD · 29 October 2017, 21:55

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Originally Posted by Akira

Have you really read this thread? The actual OPPOSITE is what people are calling for.

...nope, clearly not; or any of the other multiple threads here for over a decade now!!!

Not to mention, numerous emails sent from various members without bothering to even have to decency to reply...

Retro-Nerd · 29 October 2017, 23:32

It's all about the money. We should know this by now (or since 10 years to be honest). There is no other compromise for him as it seems. Thus he is ignoring the well-intentioned hints.

prowler · 29 October 2017, 23:57

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Originally Posted by retro-nerd

it's all about the money. We should know this by now (or since 10 years to be honest). There is no other compromise for him as it seems. Thus he is ignoring the well-intentioned hints.

+1

Retro-Nerd · 30 October 2017, 00:16

Actually there is nothing wrong in making money. But consindering that Amiga boxed games are already a niche in a niche market, it's very naive to think you can squeeze solid money out of an unknown game like Babylonian Twins via Kickstarter. Even a potential blockbuster like Turrican 4 or Lionheart 2 wouldn't sell more than a few hundred copies.

If you push things a digital download could be arranged in probably 1-2 weeks and a limited boxed version in app. 3 month seems realistic (assuming the game is really 100% playable yet). But the profit wouldn't be satisfying enough for him.

Codetapper · 30 October 2017, 07:13

Assuming the author continues to ignore the voices here, makes a kickstarter which fails to meet the target, then what happens? Amiga users get shat on again? Another kickstarter attempt in 5 years with the promise of getting the Amiga version released if it succeeds? This is bloody madness and we're just going around in circles here.

Gaula92 · 30 October 2017, 10:45

Babylonian Twins is the Amiga Duke Nukem Forever. I don't know if I am the first to make this bad joke

StingRay · 30 October 2017, 10:56

In my opinion this game should simply be ignored. I pretty much doubt there ever will be an Amiga release anyway.

wanderer · 30 October 2017, 11:30

I hope the creator realises he needs to separate the old Amiga version from all other versions. As other mentioned, there's no point in first releasing an emulated Amiga version for other systems. It is a bad move and you will upset both Amiga users and everyone else who might be interested in a modern version.

Suggestion: release/sell the Amiga version first (it's long overdue...), and then you can start working on updated versions for other systems (perhaps based on the mobile version, or make a new one) and why not, including a modern version for new Amiga systems.

PortuguesePilot · 30 October 2017, 12:41

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Originally Posted by Codetapper

Assuming the author continues to ignore the voices here, makes a kickstarter which fails to meet the target, then what happens? Amiga users get shat on again? Another kickstarter attempt in 5 years with the promise of getting the Amiga version released if it succeeds? This is bloody madness and we're just going around in circles here.

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Originally Posted by StingRay

In my opinion this game should simply be ignored. I pretty much doubt there ever will be an Amiga release anyway.

This precisely what I think will happen and why I'm now ignoring this altogether. As far as I stand, Babylonian Twins doesn't exist.

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Originally Posted by wanderer

(...) Suggestion: release/sell the Amiga version first (it's long overdue...), and then you can start working on updated versions for other systems (perhaps based on the mobile version, or make a new one) and why not, including a modern version for new Amiga systems.

That has been suggested already. The problem here is that he is stubborn and doesn't want to hear any of us. He wants to make as much money out of this as he possibly can. He is never going to give us the game.

Amiga1992 · 30 October 2017, 15:32

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Originally Posted by Retro-Nerd

If you push things a digital download could be arranged in probably 1-2 weeks and a limited boxed version in app. 3 month seems realistic (assuming the game is really 100% playable yet). But the profit wouldn't be satisfying enough for him.

Agreed. I also don't think making money out of this is a bad thing on its own. It's the blatant disregard for what people actually want and the unrealistic goal set for the monetary retribution that is annoying.

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Originally Posted by StingRay

In my opinion this game should simply be ignored. I pretty much doubt there ever will be an Amiga release anyway.

I agree with this too. Let's just forget about the damn thing. It's NOT another Putty Squad! Let it sink into oblivion if it won't be released in the way the actual market, no matter how niche it is, wants it.

AmigaBoy · 06 November 2017, 19:13

This still hasn't been released? I'd honestly forgotten about it.

If money needs to be made, make money. Launch the Kickstarter. The Kickstarter does not have to be a strictly PC/Mac/Linux only affair. My suggestion, if the developer is still lurking about, would be something similar to:

$1 - Show of support (every Kickstarter has one of these)
$10 - Amiga version download (or whatever price is decided)
$20 - Amiga version boxed (or whatever price is decided)
$20 - PC/Mac/Linux version Steam key (or whatever price is decided)

and so on.

The Amiga community gets what they want (Amiga version).
The modern system community get what they want (Steam version).
The developers get what they want (Compensation for their work).

If an Amiga user wants the modern version, they can back multiple tiers.
If the developer wants to be even nicer, create a discount tier for ordering both the Amiga and modern versions (eg. $25 for both downloads, a saving of $5).

Give the modern version HD graphics + sound and keep the Amiga version as-is. That's extra incentive for someone to buy both versions.

Working out bugs and so on is not an issue as there's a lot of talented guys around that'll help debug. There's also playtesters galore lurking all over Amiga forums.

This game can be released, and be released really quickly. It just needs proper planning.

30 October 2017, 00:16	#85
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,436	Actually there is nothing wrong in making money. But consindering that Amiga boxed games are already a niche in a niche market, it's very naive to think you can squeeze solid money out of an unknown game like Babylonian Twins via Kickstarter. Even a potential blockbuster like Turrican 4 or Lionheart 2 wouldn't sell more than a few hundred copies. If you push things a digital download could be arranged in probably 1-2 weeks and a limited boxed version in app. 3 month seems realistic (assuming the game is really 100% playable yet). But the profit wouldn't be satisfying enough for him. Last edited by Retro-Nerd; 30 October 2017 at 00:38.

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29 October 2017, 23:32	#83
Retro-Nerd Missile Command Champion Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Germany Age: 52 Posts: 12,436	It's all about the money. We should know this by now (or since 10 years to be honest). There is no other compromise for him as it seems. Thus he is ignoring the well-intentioned hints.

30 October 2017, 07:13	#86
Codetapper 2 contact me: email only! Join Date: May 2001 Location: Auckland / New Zealand Posts: 3,182	Assuming the author continues to ignore the voices here, makes a kickstarter which fails to meet the target, then what happens? Amiga users get shat on again? Another kickstarter attempt in 5 years with the promise of getting the Amiga version released if it succeeds? This is bloody madness and we're just going around in circles here.

30 October 2017, 10:45	#87
Gaula92 Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spain Posts: 527	Babylonian Twins is the Amiga Duke Nukem Forever. I don't know if I am the first to make this bad joke

30 October 2017, 10:56	#88
StingRay move.l #$c0ff33,throat Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Berlin/Joymoney Posts: 6,863	In my opinion this game should simply be ignored. I pretty much doubt there ever will be an Amiga release anyway.

30 October 2017, 11:30	#89
wanderer I want an A1000 Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Pac-Land Posts: 738	I hope the creator realises he needs to separate the old Amiga version from all other versions. As other mentioned, there's no point in first releasing an emulated Amiga version for other systems. It is a bad move and you will upset both Amiga users and everyone else who might be interested in a modern version. Suggestion: release/sell the Amiga version first (it's long overdue...), and then you can start working on updated versions for other systems (perhaps based on the mobile version, or make a new one) and why not, including a modern version for new Amiga systems.

06 November 2017, 19:13	#92
AmigaBoy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: 19 Jump Street Posts: 238	This still hasn't been released? I'd honestly forgotten about it. If money needs to be made, make money. Launch the Kickstarter. The Kickstarter does not have to be a strictly PC/Mac/Linux only affair. My suggestion, if the developer is still lurking about, would be something similar to: $1 - Show of support (every Kickstarter has one of these) $10 - Amiga version download (or whatever price is decided) $20 - Amiga version boxed (or whatever price is decided) $20 - PC/Mac/Linux version Steam key (or whatever price is decided) and so on. The Amiga community gets what they want (Amiga version). The modern system community get what they want (Steam version). The developers get what they want (Compensation for their work). If an Amiga user wants the modern version, they can back multiple tiers. If the developer wants to be even nicer, create a discount tier for ordering both the Amiga and modern versions (eg. $25 for both downloads, a saving of $5). Give the modern version HD graphics + sound and keep the Amiga version as-is. That's extra incentive for someone to buy both versions. Working out bugs and so on is not an issue as there's a lot of talented guys around that'll help debug. There's also playtesters galore lurking all over Amiga forums. This game can be released, and be released really quickly. It just needs proper planning.

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