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Look what RISC OS did: open source an OS from the 80s and make it available on modern hardware. https://www.riscosopen.org/content/ |
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27 February 2017, 01:40 | #22 |
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If my calculations are correct, this should work:
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27 February 2017, 16:31 | #23 | |
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Here are the options I see: 1. Improve OS3.1 sources and publicly release DIFFs only, with scripts to rebuild against a specific hash of a specific archive of the 3.1 sources. 2. (Publicly) improve OS3.1 sources and put the whole repo behind a tor hidden service. 3. Improve AROS substantially. 4. Keep fighting with god-knows-who over god-knows-what "rights" I prefer #2. Remember: the real issue is popular mentality. Proprietary software remains a plague, and I certainly would encourage everyone to fight it with every middle finger they can muster. Legal or not, open it all up and stop giving a shit. Its fitting, and in a way, perfect. |
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27 February 2017, 16:38 | #24 |
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I am not so willing to limit my options. If AROS can be used, I would rather do that.
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27 February 2017, 16:44 | #25 |
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The only issue I've had with AROS is (lack of) drivers. I have a nice little old laptop it would work perfect on except I can't set the video resolution for example. Right now I just run linux hosted AROS on my main laptop, but doing that its just as easy to use native linux stuff so I end up never 'booting' AROS.
And AROS source is sort of hidden even though its open source because they don't want anyone who might have seen the copyrighted Amiga source from tainting the AROS source and cause them a legal issue. So it makes working with AROS a little harder as well. |
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I don't believe this is true. The AROS source code is big and awkward but I don't think it is meant as a deterrent to anybody. I seem to recall some people wanting to make it easier to dl and build. I don't think very many people with classic 68k Amigas are downloading and building it though . |
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28 February 2017, 08:37 | #27 | |
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If only someone would get sued for breaching AmigaOS copyright, we might finally learn who truly owns the copyright for now. |
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28 February 2017, 08:42 | #28 |
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Hm, you get someone who thinks he owns the rights. You only know it for sure when the judge agrees with the presumed copyright holder and you loose. And even then, maybe someone will sue about that against the one that thought he had the rights because that party thinks he has an even better case.
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28 February 2017, 09:50 | #29 |
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I see far less value in open sourcing AmigaOS that some people see to be able to see. What am I missing? Open sourcing doesn't magically make any code up-to-date, or even compilable. It doesn't magically bring along support for other hardware or software. It doesn't give you memory protection or SMP. It won't give you code integration with AROS. It probably doesn't even give you the Amiga name. I don't get the obsession with open sourcing, or the hatred against those still selling it. It seems a little unhealthy to me, especially when there's already an open source re-implementation that could really do with the extra support. With an open-source Amiga OS 3, there's a direct competitor with AROS, which will divide what miniscule resources remain in this community even further.
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28 February 2017, 10:15 | #30 |
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Generally I avoid such debates of copyright on here as sadly there are a lot of uninformed people making assumptions.
I will say one thing - some blindingly great ideas from matthey and meynaf - I would like to see that conversation rolled out more. I will ask one thing - why such hate for Cloanto? .... I simply don't get it =( |
28 February 2017, 11:54 | #31 |
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Because Cloanto are vultures selling what is free (UAE) and what is essentially abandonware (Kickstarts). As long as Cloanto earn money selling AmigaOS, you won't see any free, open AmigaOS. And I know idiots who even pay Cloanto multiple times for the pleasure of "owning" code that Cloanto had nothing to do with in the first place.
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28 February 2017, 13:28 | #32 |
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You pay for the installer also, much more convenient to click and install an UAE-setup than doing it by hand.
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28 February 2017, 15:29 | #33 |
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Question would Cloanto be willing to work with Amiga developers to update the OS? Has anyone reached out to them directly on this? It would benefit them as well as the community if they worked with us. Again I've been away from the Amiga world for over 14 yrs so am just curious where they stand on moving forward with development.
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28 February 2017, 16:04 | #34 |
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Cloanto only has distribution rights, not development rights.
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28 February 2017, 16:14 | #35 | |
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Interestingly as I type - technically its nothing anyone couldn't do - apply for / seek a license albeit kickstart roms or workbench 3.x and make your own product, the feat then would be adding value to the product for the end user =) Sadly I digress and in so have somewhat derailed this thread, my apologies. Best idea for a realistic path to open source AmigaOS 3.x I have two assumptions with this
1. You would need to acquire the FULL rights (not just distribution rights) to Workbench3.1 and any pertaining licenses to earlier work that is included in the current distribution of Workbench 3.1 You could achieve this with some very hard research and communication with the current relevant parties involved. there will be a lot of phone communication and letter writing.2. Start A GoFundMe, Indigogo or Kickstarter It may sound stupid, but this is probably your best bet unless your uncle is a rich oil tycoon or Wall Street bankerIn Closing (wow you read all that... and notice my spelling mistake in 'banker'.... ...well played.... well played....) If there is enough of the community left to want to make this a thing, I do believe it could be - but it would need to be done meticulously in co-operation with a well trusted group within the community and as transparent as possible (given the arrangement of some legal agreements) One day.... when I win the lottery |
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28 February 2017, 16:26 | #36 |
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Is it that hard to install? I think it took me less time to install FS-USE than what it takes to open a CD package (or get the cd/dvd/bluray drive out of the drawer its in).
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I will keep using this example: what good is it for the community for Cloanto to take off YouTube a video of the Amiga launch event, as they did? And to what extent are they atually allowed to do that, since what they own is, allegedly, a license to sell Kickstarts? Come on, explain to me what good did this do and tell me why should anyone give money go these people so they go out and about and do this. While you are at it, explain t ome in which way does this video being online hurt this company: [ Show youtube player ] What I don't understand is any praise they get: what for? What do they do to contribute? What's the big breakthrough here, because I don't see it. Last edited by Amiga1992; 28 February 2017 at 16:49. |
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28 February 2017, 16:44 | #39 |
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Hyperion recompiled kick 3.1 from source and that is all for OS3. They prefer to waste time on their PowerPC sequel to it.
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